Looks like Poyer is more than willing to leave and play for Miami of all places.

[without a drought]

Whoever gives him the most guaranteed money will ultimately the best city and state for him.

[benderbender]

He’s playing his role to a T. Just the latest PR stunt to squeeze out a little more cash. His wife did her part, and his loan shark agent will cash in. He played us like a fiddle and hats off to the bull. 

[K-9]

Aging players leaving is inevitable and it sucks, especially when they end up signing with a hated rival. But if we could handle Thurman signing with the ‘Phins, we can certainly deal with Poyer going there. 
 

He had a good run here and now it’s over. Next.

[JohnNord]

2 hours ago, Tipster19 said:

I don’t think that he could say any more than what he already did in the following article.

 

https://www.thephinsider.com/2023/2/24/23614259/does-jordan-poyer-want-to-play-for-the-miami-dolphins-tua-tagovailoa-mike-mcdaniel-buffalo-bills

This is kind of making something out of nothing.  Poyer just said he was friends with Tua and was looking forward to seeing MM at his birthday party.  If Poyer wants to take a lesser deal to play a reserve role, he should just re-sign with Buffalo

[Mango]

I believe that Poyer comes up to Buffalo alone for the season. His wife and kid stay in Miami full time. He has been a consummate professional and one of my favorite Bills at all time. That’s a major sacrifice.

 

I can’t blame the guy for wanting to play in the city his family lives in. Miami is on the up swing as well. 
 

I wouldn’t be shocked (or blame him) if he chose Miami if they were the cheaper offer but still able to be in the same ball park based on family alone. 

Edited February 25, 2023 by Mango

[frostbitmic]

Poyer and Hyde were the heart and soul of this defense. Without Hyde, and with nagging injuries all season, Poyer wasn't his normal self.

 

I don't think the money will be as big for a Safety on the wrong side of 30 as he does. I hope he doesn't sign for another team for less than what the Bills will offer.

 

If he leaves, I wish him the best, he is a warrior for this team.

[transient]

Are we really putting that much stock in a report from a Dolphins site? If you read the tea leaves in the answers to Dolphin-centric questions everything’s coming up Dolphins… big surprise. 
 

[pennstate10]

2 hours ago, Chaos said:

There are 50 different income state tax codes. They range from a top rate of zero percent in several states to 13.3% in California.  In NYS the state income tax on $10MM would 964,000.  I Florida, it would be zero.  That might make a difference in decision making. 

It’s a bit more nuanced than that. Players pay tax for each game based on the location. So half his income is taxed at NY state top level, so about $500K in your example. Heres the kicker.  Until2017, you could deduct your state tax on your federal return, and it would thus lower your fderal tax.  Since Poyer would be in the 35% federal tax bracket, in effect he’d pay 65% of the NY state tax, and federal govt would pay 35% of his NY state tax bill.  But that’s no longer true since the cap on deduction of state and local and ptperty tax was capped at $10,000. 

[NewEra]

51 minutes ago, nosejob said:

I may be in the minority here, but I'd love to have one more year of him and Hyde.....if he hasn't already made up his mind. 2 yr. 14 mil. ?

A good chunk in signing bonus with a fairly small cap hit this year and a playing time clause that could void the 2nd yr.? IDK

I’d really like to have him back too.  He’s my favorite player on the defense since we signed him.  loved watching him play at oregon state.  Just not sure he’ll come back at a discount.  He’s made a good amount of money for an everyday Joe, but not for an NFL all pro.  I just think he’ll chase the biggest bag or join a rival that offers more than us.  I hope I’m wrong

[Drew21PA]

2 hours ago, newcam2012 said:

I'm sure at this point in his career he wants to go to a team he thinks has a shot at winning it all. He played against Miami 3xs this year. Read between the lines. 

 

A Poyer on a Miami team certainly bolsters their chances to dethrone the Bills. 

Nope…it’s still a qb league

 

again poyer wouldn’t make the difference for Miami

[Mr. WEO]

2 hours ago, eball said:

 

No one does.  It’s the most ridiculous code in existence.

 

 

2 hours ago, Gunsgoodtime said:

To keep it simple, NY state income tax is 10.9%, Florida is 0.  That's a pretty significant difference

 

“I’d love to go a state that doesn’t take half my money,”....lol wtf?  

 

Bienvenidos a Miami, dumbass.

[Beck Water]

2 hours ago, Tipster19 said:

I don’t think that he could say any more than what he already did in the following article.

 

https://www.thephinsider.com/2023/2/24/23614259/does-jordan-poyer-want-to-play-for-the-miami-dolphins-tua-tagovailoa-mike-mcdaniel-buffalo-bills

 

Sure he could say more. 

 

He could say that his Instagram model wife loves South Florida where bikinis can be modeled outside most of the year, and that they own a big house in Florida - not sure where. 

 

Of course he wants to play in Florida.

 

 

2 hours ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

Miami seems pretty well set in their secondary. Can’t see them throwing big bucks at Poyer. 

 

Agreed

[BillsFan2313]

38 minutes ago, uticaclub said:

A little of this, a little of that. I think a lot of the players are sick of McDermott’s shtick and know it’s not Championship caliber, why take a discount for that? Bills are on the decline, and Miami is on the rise. I hope it’s a huge mistake on his part and Allen abuses him in every matchup. 

He lives in South Florida now. I have a friend that golfs with him regulary. He’s a big a fish fan, probably telling him to sign down there.

 

How so? Explain

[In Summary]

2 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I don't think Poyer is walking because he thinks Miami is better than Buffalo. He is walking because the Bills don't want to pay him. 

I think his wife is highly influential in this matter.

[McBean]

2 hours ago, Lost said:

All they had to do was win a SB.  Now our star players are getting fed up and leaving.

 

Too bad our coaching staff sucks so bad they blew a 3 point lead with 13 seconds that cost us our first one.

 

but hey? We are fine right? Just keep doing the same crap every year expecting a different result with keeping ole McClap.

[Ya Digg?]

1 minute ago, In Summary said:

I think his wife is highly influential in this matter.

As should anyone’s wife-what’s your point? 

[uticaclub]

3 minutes ago, BillsFan2313 said:

 

How so? Explain

The dolphins almost beat us Wild Card round with a 3rd string QB and then we were embarassed the next round. Miami still has a QB under a rookie contract, who if can stay healthy (he probably won’t) will be in a position to overtake the division from us. 

[balln]

1 hour ago, nosejob said:

I may be in the minority here, but I'd love to have one more year of him and Hyde.....if he hasn't already made up his mind. 2 yr. 14 mil. ?

A good chunk in signing bonus with a fairly small cap hit this year and a playing time clause that could void the 2nd yr.? IDK

Nah. Poyer is washed. Let him go to Miami. 

[nucci]

I don't think it's about him willing to leave. He doesn't have a choice. We're not gonna offer him a contract

[Rc2catch]

Poyer came to Buffalo as a nobody and earned every penny he’s made and worked hard enough to make himself into a star. 
I will cheer for him wherever he ends up. Of course in games that’s not against buffalo lol. 
 

[Chaos]

28 minutes ago, pennstate10 said:

Until2017

Its 2023

[HOUSE]

Bluff, he is to smart to sign with the Dolphins 

[Rock-A-Bye Beasley]

3 hours ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

Miami seems pretty well set in their secondary. Can’t see them throwing big bucks at Poyer. 

He’s an All Pro. Most teams and fan bases highly value them. Around here we value young age over all pro 

 

2 hours ago, RunTheBall said:

Poyer is done. He’s played great for us, a true warrior. 

 

But he’s an aging vet playing through multiple injuries who’s looking to get paid. I get it from his point of view, but unless he comes back on a somewhat team friendly deal I can’t see us retaining him.

 

 

Which of our players aren’t aging?

[Buffalo ill]

His wife can more comfortably show b hole on onlyfans in Miami.

[Chicken Boo]

3 hours ago, Gunsgoodtime said:

To keep it simple, NY state income tax is 10.9%, Florida is 0.  That's a pretty significant difference

 

I'm pretty sure overall money has more to do with it than the taxes on said money.

 

Poyer openly lobbied for a deal that Buffalo has shown they're not willing to give him.  That's where it ends.

[nbbillsfan]

Buffalo is always in a tough spot recruiting. Taxes are real. Often the high tax teams  (CA teams, NYC, ect) come with mitigating factors such as weather, big market, “quality of life”, ect.

 

Buffalo, unfortunately, has the taxes without some of the offsets. Always going to be a challenge to recruit.

[BillsVet]

Tipster's prowess throwing the message board hand grenade is still legendary.    

 

That's the only takeaway from this thread.  

 

 

[KOKBILLS]

Poyer will be 32 at the end of April coming off a season in which he played only 12 games, and was banged up for at least half of the 12 he played. That's just factual information that will have a major impact on his market value. Or should at least. 

 

Right now there are only 8 teams with over 25 million in Cap space. The Giants, Ravens, and the Bengals are the only Playoff teams out of those 8, and I doubt those teams will be lining up to pay Poyer big bucks...We'll see. I can see a team like Chicago, Atlanta, or Vegas doing it...But all three teams have plenty of other issues to address before they get to Safety. And the UFA market for Safeties is not terrible this year. There are also a decent amount of Draft prospects at Safety in Rounds 1-5...I don't know...Certainly a team can sign him to a bigger deal with voidable years...But for a 32 year old? 

 

I love Poyer...I really do...But he's not in the best situation right now...No fault of his own of course...I think the Bills are playing this just right if the market is not what Poyer thought it would be...But I doubt he's back...And I do hope he cashes in despite the odds...

Edited February 25, 2023 by KOKBILLS

[Gunsgoodtime]

27 minutes ago, Chicken Boo said:

 

I'm pretty sure overall money has more to do with it than the taxes on said money.

 

Poyer openly lobbied for a deal that Buffalo has shown they're not willing to give him.  That's where it ends.

I'm not doubting that at all, was just explaining the tax situation 

[Simon Says]

Oh, please.....did you actually LISTEN go Poyer's latest podcast or just share some guy's interpretation? Poyer spent very little time on the subject of free agency. He spent much more time talking about golf and extraterrestrials....

and it's too bad people take words out of context when listening,  or reading.

[mjd1001]

3 hours ago, balln said:

Ooof. I always wonder. Do the bills have to overpay bc of New York taxes. Why isn’t there an adjustment for teams for cap. Seems like a competitive advantage for teams in states w forgiving tax laws

It matters a bit but on the margins.  Players will play for a good organization, a coach they like, and for winning more than they will for the tax rate they play. so yes, it matters but not a lot.

Since 2000, look at the most successful teams in the NFL. In terms of success/wins (where the good players would want to play) the best teams are: New England, Pittsburgh, Green Bay, Indy, Baltimore, and Philly.  Not exactly teams located in areas with low taxes and great weather.

 

Florida, Tenesee, and Texas have no state taxes and (arguably) better weather, where do the teams form their rank in success since 2000?:  Houston 29th, Tampa 24th, Miami 18th, Tenesee 13th, Dallas 11th.

 

Run a good organization, win games, get a good QB.  Those thing matter a LOT more to the success of your team compared to local tax rates and weather conditions.  The facts prove it.

[TheWeatherMan]

3 hours ago, SoCal Deek said:

I’m not sure I understand. Do you think your cousin paid a lot? Or a little? 

I’m not sure how you pulled this question out of my statement.  Nothing written indicates either.  Do I think someone making 20K a year has to pay a thousand plus dollars while billionaires pay nothing is acceptable?  No…no I do not.  

3 hours ago, Chaos said:

This exists in your imagination. 

Haha, please explain.  You do realize there is no flat tax correct?  Under the new tax codes only upper middle class and rich itemize while everyone else takes the standard deduction.  Just Google: Rich people  who didn’t pay taxes in 2021.  

[Success]

55 minutes ago, Rock-A-Bye Beasley said:

Which of our players aren’t aging?

 

They're ALL aging. That's life.

 

But, Poyer will be 32.  That's aging too much, at least for someone seeking a new contract.

 

[JakeFrommStateFarm]

I predict another defensive dominated draft.

 

1st -Van Ness

2nd - BPA safety 

3rd - BPA LB

[H2o]

Can't blame Po really. No state tax, warm and sunny throughout most of the season, just a nicer area to post up overall (some parts of it anyway, at least where him and his family could afford to be). Whether it be here or elsewhere, I wish him and his family the best. He left everything he had on the field out there for us since he arrived. 

[LABILLBACKER]

4 hours ago, newcam2012 said:

I'm sure at this point in his career he wants to go to a team he thinks has a shot at winning it all. He played against Miami 3xs this year. Read between the lines. 

 

A Poyer on a Miami team certainly bolsters their chances to dethrone the Bills. 

Our 3 biggest obstacles going forward will be Mia, KC & Cincy.

[Yantha]

I'll add this....

 

Is the FUTURE of Jordan Poyer elite (or not......).  I'm going to go ahead and say "not".  The NFL is a tough business, and Poyer had an AMAZING career in Buffalo.  He gave his best years, and now it's time to find the NEXT Jordan Poyer.  

 

It's big shoes to fill, but that's Beane's job.

[BADOLBILZ]

2 minutes ago, H2o said:

Can't blame Po really. No state tax, warm and sunny throughout most of the season, just a nicer area to post up overall (some parts of it anyway, at least where him and his family could afford to be). Whether it be here or elsewhere, I wish him and his family the best. He left everything he had on the field out there for us since he arrived. 

 

 

The Bills got the best of him.........the next team can have the rest of him.    I don't think the Dolphins are in on that for big money though.........they are up against the cap too.   Poyer may not have his choice of destinations if he wants to get paid.

[Don Otreply]

3 hours ago, Chaos said:

There are 50 different income state tax codes. They range from a top rate of zero percent in several states to 13.3% in California.  In NYS the state income tax on $10MM would 964,000.  I Florida, it would be zero.  That might make a difference in decision making. 

Being that even the lowest paid players are in the top 3 percent annual income bracket in America, I have no pity concerning their financial compensation, any player that won’t do what it takes to make that work long term for themselves is what is referred to as an…, well,  not being particularly clever…, 

[Johnny Hammersticks]

Texas and Nevada are also states that have no state income tax and “better” weather than Buffalo.  Vegas and Houston currently have the 3rd and 5th most salary cap space.  Miami has the 25th most.  Just sayin…