jwhit34 Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 Here are the receiver numbers through 6 games and extrapolated out to 16 or 17 games: Player Thru 6 Yds/Game 16 games 17 games Diggs 463 77.2 1,235 1,312 Sanders 413 68.8 1,101 1,170 Beasley 303 50.5 808 859 Knox 286 47.7 763 810 This would be the greatest season ever by a Bills WR group and a big reason for it is Sanders. To say he's a problem with that kind of production is pretty crazy. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 I liked Smoke. Sanders is fire. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToGoGo Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 Does the OP have eyeballs? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 I don't understand what was lost? The Bills are averaging around the same if not slightly more PPG on offense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HamSandwhich Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 2 hours ago, T master said: Just wondering yawls thoughts on Emanuel Sanders do you think it was a good move or a bad one ? To start with last year we had one of the most potent offenses in the league and all of the WR's from last season had a huge impact on that being so Diggs, Davis, Bease, were all a part of making that production happen 2 of them had their best seasons in their NFL career . Enter Emanuel Sanders . Now don't get me wrong i love Sanders attitude his veteran leadership especially for any rookies or 2 yr players but now you add the fact that because of Sanders being here it seems that Bease & Davis both have had less playing time then you add the fact that Knox production is up this year and add Kumero into the mix it's almost to much of a good thing . You take away Sanders Bease is still doing what he did last season for the most part every time he hits the field & i think he could have easily scored the amount of TD's to this point that Sanders has so there is no loss there then too Davis could be on the field more plus the fact it has taken a bit of time for Josh to build chemistry with Sanders which he had with Davis all ready . Too with out Sanders off the roster Kumero would get more playing time and Diggs production has been taken a back seat since his arrival so i just wonder if his presence is really worth what they have gotten for him ? Also if you throw in that last week 2 TD's were called back specifically because of him holding on those plays that game would have been a W instead of a L which is on him . Is all that worth the move bringing him in ? I think the Bills offense would have been just as good if not better this year with out his acquisition because the chemistry with the players that were already here would have had more on field time to develop even further and he wouldn't be missed at all especially given Knox's production along with Sweeney, Kumero, & Mckenzie don't forget him . But that's just me so what do you all think ? Can you have too many good players at 1 position and if he was gone where else might the roster had benefitted by him not being here ? Like i said i really love his team attitude and all that that brings but i don't think what was lost is worth the gain ! You’ve got Beasley on your fantasy team don’t you? Is this sour grapes hating on Sanders? Gotta be right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WideNine Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 Although new to the offense Sanders is solid, and has been a great addition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerome007 Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 Sanders's addition is bad for Davis... but not for the Bills. Diggs is strangely less open while having a guy that should draw some double teams. More Beasley please also as well. Weird that lately Josh has still put HUGE numbers but with less passes. I mean, many great long plays, which is fine, but less plays by the offense overall. Anyhow, the Bills O is a nightmare for any D coordinators. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 2 hours ago, ClemsonBills said: I would rather have him than smoke Big upgrade. Surprised how good he still is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 I've been very happy with Sanders this season and he's an improvement over Brown for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwater10 Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 Is John Brown what was lost? Hey, I loved smoke, but it was his time. He was not on any NFL roster until last week when he was added to Denver's practice squad. That lack of interest is no accident. So really, the production loss in 2021 was nill. The great memories of Smoke in 2020 and 2019 are still valid memories. They were fun. They made me smile, especially the dance. As fans, we get to keep them. The Bills, as a franchise with a vested interest in sustainable success, just aren't obligated to keep paying for those feel good memories in 2021.. Salary cap realities... What was gained was a reliable #2 who is a great addition to the team in many ways, tangible and otherwise. Think of him as a WR version of Frank Gore, except that he can still perform at a very high level. I think that if you revisit this thought in December, January or even February you will find in an unnecessary exercise. Beane doing Beane things is to this team's benefit. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 Sanders not only has been productive on the field but he is also the only player on the team with a Super Bowl ring and a ton of playoff experience (I believe he has played in 3 Super Bowls) only Hyde matches him in terms of career playoff games. That off the field mentality has helped the team massively. I loved John Brown in 2019 but he showed his injury form in 2020 and had a high cap hit. Sanders is more reliable and brings off field factors that are positive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBBills Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 That was a very long troll post @T master 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 I was not a fan of the move. I was wrong. Sanders still has it 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsfanAZ Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 If Josh had not slipped on the last play against the Titans conversations like this most likely do not exist. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msw2112 Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 5 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: I was not a fan of the move. I was wrong. Sanders still has it I feel the same way. I thought that Sanders was, at 34, past his prime and that the fact that he was on his 5th team in about 3 years was indicative that he wasn't a valuable asset. I also said on this board that I hoped to be proven wrong, and I have been. Sanders has been great. I can only conclude that Beane, as a competent NFL GM, knows more than I, as a fan, know. And yes, I am a big Davis fan and would like to see him get more targets, but he's made some big catches nonetheless and his time will come. The team is also making a greater commitment to the run, which is necessary and important, but also results in fewer targets for a guy like Davis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artmalibu Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 If Diggs gets hurt, it will be a good thing that we have him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, ToGoGo said: Does the OP have eyeballs? Yes, eyeballs on him. This feels like a cry for attention. Three pages in and not another post from the OP addressing or defending the topic. . Edited October 21, 2021 by Augie 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBear Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 Yes. Let's remove a really good player who is having a great season and replace him with a lesser player because we lost a game where we scored 31 points. Going to be a LOOOOONNNNNNGGGGG 10 days here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
without a drought Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 Barry and Deion were better Sanders, so it looks like the Bills are just settling, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sbucholz Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 4 hours ago, T master said: Just wondering yawls thoughts on Emanuel Sanders do you think it was a good move or a bad one ? To start with last year we had one of the most potent offenses in the league and all of the WR's from last season had a huge impact on that being so Diggs, Davis, Bease, were all a part of making that production happen 2 of them had their best seasons in their NFL career . Enter Emanuel Sanders . Now don't get me wrong i love Sanders attitude his veteran leadership especially for any rookies or 2 yr players but now you add the fact that because of Sanders being here it seems that Bease & Davis both have had less playing time then you add the fact that Knox production is up this year and add Kumero into the mix it's almost to much of a good thing . You take away Sanders Bease is still doing what he did last season for the most part every time he hits the field & i think he could have easily scored the amount of TD's to this point that Sanders has so there is no loss there then too Davis could be on the field more plus the fact it has taken a bit of time for Josh to build chemistry with Sanders which he had with Davis all ready . Too with out Sanders off the roster Kumero would get more playing time and Diggs production has been taken a back seat since his arrival so i just wonder if his presence is really worth what they have gotten for him ? Also if you throw in that last week 2 TD's were called back specifically because of him holding on those plays that game would have been a W instead of a L which is on him . Is all that worth the move bringing him in ? I think the Bills offense would have been just as good if not better this year with out his acquisition because the chemistry with the players that were already here would have had more on field time to develop even further and he wouldn't be missed at all especially given Knox's production along with Sweeney, Kumero, & Mckenzie don't forget him . But that's just me so what do you all think ? Can you have too many good players at 1 position and if he was gone where else might the roster had benefitted by him not being here ? Like i said i really love his team attitude and all that that brings but i don't think what was lost is worth the gain ! Staying static is how you lose...Every position is contested...Sanders was an excellent addition to this team. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 (edited) 5 hours ago, ToGoGo said: Does the OP have eyeballs? To you’re point this happens as overreaction week whenever let down. You would’ve thought the sky was falling when we’re 4-0 last year and then lose two to the Titans and Chiefs. We are stronger in many ways than we were last year. The next three games should be blowouts and we’ll have a ton of momentum hosting the Colts, playing the Saints (you never which Jameis shows up), and Pats are nothing to be nervous about. Sanders is a vast upgrade over Brown and we are deeper to counter the mess we had last playoffs with all of the WR injuries. Its funny this logic by the OP was also brought up on the extra point show this morning. Dibiasi was polite, but dismissed this notion we have too many weapons. Edited October 22, 2021 by machine gun kelly 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 (edited) The guy is on pace for almost 1200 yards, 60 first downs, and 11+ TDs and he isn't even our #1. Have you watched the Bills this season? Edited October 21, 2021 by Scott7975 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceVilanch Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 This is a really bad take. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 I agree about Bease. Dude was 2nd team all pro. Dabol has simply been running more 2 wide sets. That changed last week and with Knox out a few weeks I expect more 3-4 WR sets. 1st and Cole is great as we saw last gm, expect him to ball put going forward. Davis too will likely see much more playing time with Knox down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight Hucklebuck Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 I hope the Bills continue to add to this offense by drafting skill players. There are times where Diggs disappears, and it’s handy to have Sanders able to step in. I don’t have any problem if the Coaching Staff mixes more of Gabe Davis in at the expense of Beasley. Bills still miss some speed/size element to their receiving group. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
97bills Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 5 hours ago, BuffaloRebound said: Sanders looked like a #1 WR on Monday night. He was a great addition. If this offense could run the ball successfully in the red zone, we’d be unstoppable. I hope the coaches really get this figured out next year, and the pass rush Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 Josh is so clearly hitting big plays with more consistency this year. His deep throws are more accurate and he’s on pace to hit more of them. What on Earth have you been watching? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 6 hours ago, FilthyBeast said: My concern with Darrell Williams is exactly what happened in Carolina, after he had an all pro season there at RT he was hurt and also eventually moved to guard where he struggled. No he has not been the worst player on this oline but his resigning was essentially a one year deal anyway and he's probably gone next year. As for Feliciano, he was not good last year and even worse this year. I know fans gravitate to his social media tough guy persona but the play on the field has simply not translated. As for Addison/Butler, they have a combined 1 sack and while Addison has certainly looked better with less snaps in rotation, Butler has been inactive most weeks. I guess the overall point is that none of these players were/are essential to this teams success and we could have brought in other outside FA's at a reasonable price or pooled the money on an one impact FA that would presumably be making better contributions at these positions or elsewhere. In fairness I doubt anyone in the Bills front office, coaching staff, or all the arm chair GM's here expected Groot to be playing as well as he has/is or as much. So from that standpoint, made more sense to bring back Addison and Butler. I'd love to get inside Beanes head and find out, had he known he was going to draft a def lineman in the first two rounds, would he have re-done Addison's contract. And to a lesser degree also Butler? Which then makes me wonder about another question, would the NFL be better off copying the NBA concept of draft, then FA as opposed to how the NFL does FA, then draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 I was not a fan of the sanders move but he’s pleasantly surprised me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Vader Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 I'd love to see Beane give Sanders a 2-3 year contract extension. Sanders could be for this team what James Lofton was for us in the 90's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 1 hour ago, Straight Hucklebuck said: I hope the Bills continue to add to this offense by drafting skill players. There are times where Diggs disappears, and it’s handy to have Sanders able to step in. I don’t have any problem if the Coaching Staff mixes more of Gabe Davis in at the expense of Beasley. Bills still miss some speed/size element to their receiving group. I could see us taking a TE with size in next year's draft. A guy like Noah Gindorff could be a good 4th Rounder depending how good his athleticism measurable a come out. 1 minute ago, Mark Vader said: I'd love to see Beane give Sanders a 2-3 year contract extension. Sanders could be for this team what James Lofton was for us in the 90's. If only we had another Thurman Thomas, the best offensive player we had in those years. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 7 hours ago, T master said: Just wondering yawls thoughts on Emanuel Sanders do you think it was a good move or a bad one ? To start with last year we had one of the most potent offenses in the league and all of the WR's from last season had a huge impact on that being so Diggs, Davis, Bease, were all a part of making that production happen 2 of them had their best seasons in their NFL career . Enter Emanuel Sanders . Now don't get me wrong i love Sanders attitude his veteran leadership especially for any rookies or 2 yr players but now you add the fact that because of Sanders being here it seems that Bease & Davis both have had less playing time then you add the fact that Knox production is up this year and add Kumero into the mix it's almost to much of a good thing . You take away Sanders Bease is still doing what he did last season for the most part every time he hits the field & i think he could have easily scored the amount of TD's to this point that Sanders has so there is no loss there then too Davis could be on the field more plus the fact it has taken a bit of time for Josh to build chemistry with Sanders which he had with Davis all ready . Too with out Sanders off the roster Kumero would get more playing time and Diggs production has been taken a back seat since his arrival so i just wonder if his presence is really worth what they have gotten for him ? Also if you throw in that last week 2 TD's were called back specifically because of him holding on those plays that game would have been a W instead of a L which is on him . Is all that worth the move bringing him in ? I think the Bills offense would have been just as good if not better this year with out his acquisition because the chemistry with the players that were already here would have had more on field time to develop even further and he wouldn't be missed at all especially given Knox's production along with Sweeney, Kumero, & Mckenzie don't forget him . But that's just me so what do you all think ? Can you have too many good players at 1 position and if he was gone where else might the roster had benefitted by him not being here ? Like i said i really love his team attitude and all that that brings but i don't think what was lost is worth the gain ! Could you be a little more specific about what exactly was lost, Please? We cut John Brown, who was injured for much of last season and visibly “not himself” when he did play. Brown was signed then cut by Las Vegas at the end of preseason and has been without a team until Denver signed him to the PS about a week ago. The league perception seems to be that physically he’s not what he was somehow. Meanwhile after 6 games Sanders has 24 catches for 413 yds. At 6 games last season, Brown had 14 receptions for 194 yds. Are you trying to argue that keeping Brown (“what was lost”) would have been better? Are you trying to argue that keeping Brown would have been better than signing Sanders? Or what exactly is your point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy1 Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 (edited) Sanders was a great addition to the team. Depth, depth, depth at the WR position which is the engine that drives this offense. Edited October 22, 2021 by Andy1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 Yes...YES! Sanders's existence cutting in to "Kumero's" playing time is a huge loss!!! lol....He's a scrub. Bills Offense is averaging 3 PPG more than last season. Yes, Josh is struggling to establish chemistry with Sanders....to the tune of 413 yards (2nd of all receivers) at 17+ per and 4 TDs! "Now don't get me wrong, I" love me some T master threads. The man ALWAYS delivers....! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike in Horseheads Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 John Brown is having a all pro year ... not 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlCowlingsTaxiService Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 I expect these “posts” in Facebook Bills groups, but I thought this forum was above that 😂 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TampaBillsJunkie Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 8 hours ago, TheProcess said: Really appreciate what Smoke did for the Bills and Josh’s development, but I love Sanders. Worthy upgrade, better all around player, experienced leader, and excellent fit for this team. He keeps this up, I’d love to have him back. Exactly, Smoke is still on the PS. He's smoked now. There's not much in the tank. Maybe he needs to heal up still, but he's not effective and definitely not outplaying Sanders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southern_Bills Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 If any of what the OP said was even a remote concern to McBeane, Sanders wouldn't be here. Then there is the fact he is here, so....well you can see the point. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFunPolice Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 What's the question again? Sanders vs a guy who was just elevated from the Broncos practice squad? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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