GunnerBill

Day 3 picks. Neither has yet proven themselves an above average starter.

Really good question. Ed Oliver or Christian Benford would be my guess. Oliver because he is a really good player in a premium position and he'd be taking an AAV of $14m with him once you knock off the bonus money that would stay on our cap. Benford because he has been our best player this season, still has another year left on a 6th year rookie deal and is trending towards being a top zone corner in this league. I think you'd be talking 3rd round picks. EDIT: I suppose if the Bills wanted to trade Kincaid he might fetch a 2nd. But I don't think its a given. I think he could be in the 3rd round range too.

I am only trading Oliver if it is part of a deal to get an elite receiver and I don't see how that happens. Otherwise he is one of the few "paid" pieces I am definitely keeping. Basically him, Josh Taron and Dion. You probably have to keep Spencer Brown too now and I don't mind that but as I said at the time I think they went early on the extension.

He was still out of position a few times. Slightly is probably unfair, let's say better but still inconsistent vs Houston. His best game by far is still Jacksonville. Baltimore his worst.

Or "correctly" if you will.

We need far more consistent play out of Dorian Williams before I'd entertain this. Jacksonville was his best game as a Bill but he followed it up with one of his worst vs Baltimore. Then he was slightly better again vs Houston.

I haven't softened anything. My take now was my take at the start. I posted in Sunday freaking night after the game. Josh didn't get much help but he sucked the first half of that game. That was my feeling watching on TV. It was still my feeling when I got to the all22 on Tuesday. It was my feeling long before Chris Simms' breakdown. The play we are discussing here is simply a classic example. Josh isn't the only one who makes a mistake on that play. But he makes a mistake regardless, the right read despite the other exrcution failures was still the throw to Cook. And it is the sort of mistake that keeps the offense off schedule. Which happened a lot on Sunday night - the Bills were terrible on 1st down and I have broken down the first down passing game elsewhere in the board in detail. Again, if people want a mitigation there the point some of us were making pre-season that when you want to run a small ball offense it puts a very high tarrif on efficiency is true. But none of that changes the basic truth of what went on Sunday and part of that truth was first half especially was a poor performance by Josh. It's even worse than that it is absue. Thankfully the UK Government is committed to banning it. Not before time.

There is no dispute that he isn't getting much help. That is really clear. But it doesn't absolve Josh of what is ultimately a mistake.

Understanding why doesn't mean it wasn't Josh's mistake.

In the first half on Sunday, yea, a chunk of it WAS Allen. That isn't to dispute we have all the other stuff going on too and he isn't getting a lot of help. Both can be true at the same time. On the specific play I agree that Coleman doesn't clear the defender out as well as he should the ball should still go to Cook on that play. There is plenty of room to put that ball outside and in a place where only Cook can make a play - even if that is a safer throw and restricts the YAC that is less of a concern because it's first down. And he comes off and then ends up trying a much lower percentage play. It is exactly my point above. I understand why Josh comes off it, people did not execute around him. But he still makes a wrong decision and in that first half he made too many of them. I think Josh played a really good first 4 games. Even at Baltimore where the offense struggled I think for the most part Josh did as much as he could. He did not play well in that first half at Houston. I understand why people want to leap to his defence, but you gotta shut the emotion off and judge how he played. And it was a poor half from him. It happens.

Yes that kept him out of games. I was meaning the worst injury where he played "banged up". It came on the Dorsey offense.

It's $11m.

The San Fran game is my #1. Against a top defense Josh was in total control.

That is fair but the worst season affecting injury he has had was vs the Jets in 2022 in Dorsey's offense. And it is a fact that 2022 despite a game fewer than a couple of other seasons was his highest total rushing attempts. Those are also reality.

I think you are just more sensitive to it. Every forum I visit more than half the topics after a defeat are about the Quarterback or the Coach.