GunnerBill

I don't see it. Just because they are going to continue to try and force feed him to do something he can't do. I am on record I think be week 6 or so he will be benched and it will be basically the end for Keon here.

They are not going to pass for 5,000 yards. I can see a slight increase on passing yards for the past two seasons... but around 4,100 yards would be my guess. I think DJ Moore will have round about a thousand if he stays healthy - somewhere between 900 and 1,050; Kincaid 750-850; Shakir 700-800. Nobody else will crack 500 but they will have a bunch of guys in and around 250-300: some combination of Cook, Knox, Hawes, Coleman, Bell, Palmer etc.

Nah he was hurt most of that year. Stef, Beas and Gabe were the main three contributors.

I think what he means when he is talking about "ultra talent" is his all around athleticism for a guy that size, which is pretty impressive. He isn't fast but he has explosion, reflexes and agility rarely found in a 6'4, 215lbs athlete. What I'd say though is that is physical talent and not football talent. And the speed deficiency undoes the effectiveness of some of the other stuff as it pertains to football.

Oh if anyone had offered that he'd be long gone. I very much doubt they did.

It doesn't help in that specific element for Keon. It does help with his reflexes in endzone catch situations.

He was not good his rookie year. There were signs of progress against the run later in the year but he sucked in coverage every time he was out there. In fairness he missed most of camp. His camp and pre-season last year was absolutely critical for his development and then Poyer getting into the lineup and giving him a proper vet to play off. Some rookies are not ready year 1. Bishop was one of those. Going into this year he is our top safety, it all worked out.

Yea it's the Cole Bishop two years ago thing. People were clamouring to get him on the field more but he literally cost them the Houston game. He made two major mistakes for two touchdowns. It'd easy for fans to sit there and say "let them take their lumps." Trust me when you are the coach ultimately responsible for results and there are mutliple livelihoods at stake.... you soon think differently. Every coach in the NFL except those overseeing a total rebuild would have benched him again after that game.

I think there are lots of teams with worse slot situations than the Bills and lots of teams who use their slot in a more advantageous way for his skillset than Buffalo too. So while he won't find a better QB situation anywhere else there might be better fits for his skillset.

But he has a long way to go on all three. It is like he has to go from D to A in three tests having been consistently a D for 3 years. Devonte Adams was a route technician coming out, he isn't close to a comparison for Keon. I think that a pre-deadline trade isn't an impossibility.

I mean they COULD. But it needs multiple low probability changes to happen for him to succeed outside IMO.

Personally, I am sufficiently persuaded the obstacles are not going to be overcome for him to be a true starting outside receiver in the NFL. Either as an X or a Z. The level of refinemenet he needs in all those areas is just too great for me. Again if it was 1 or 2 areas, maybe... but he needs major refinement in three of the main facets you need to be successful outside and the fourth, speed, he has never possessed (though he isn't as slow as his 40 time to be clear). I think for the good of his career he needs to go inside but I am not sure that is for the good of the Buffalo Bills because I don't know if his skillset there justifies moving away from Shakir. The Bills are going to give him first shot opposite DJ Moore. He will absolutely get a chance. I just reckon that by week 6 or so he will be at best losing significant snaps and very possibly his starting spot altogether and at that point I think it is basically over for him here. By this time next year I don't expect him to be a Bill. I do expect him to be in the NFL. And I think he could well have some 500 yard plus seasons somewhere playing primarily as a power slot and maybe he even has one or two really big years. He isn't totally bereft of talent. It is just the weaknesses in his game are going to limit him in terms of being a true NFL boundary receiver.

I disagree on 3). I think in two years of playing college football at Michigan State and Florida State and two years now in the NFL it HAS been proven he is a non-separator. Where I think @Mikey152 is RIGHT is I think because of his 40 time Keon is underrated in terms of his athleticism. He is a freaky athlete. It is why was a great college punt returner, ran a great gauntlet drill at the Combine and when you think of his best plays for the Bills you primarily think of either reactions and body adjustment in the endzone OR you think ball in hand in the open field making guys miss. They are by far his best attributes. That is why he is best suited to a big slot role. He is a much better route runner when he isn't pressed off the line too (you are pressed significantly less in the slot) because when he can dictate he gets to his spot. But when he is opposed he becomes really passive and reactionary and as I have said many times his basketball background hurts him in that sense because he naturally plays to contact rather than to space.

I was saying he is an NFL Big Slot before the draft, before the talking heads - it was Matt Harmon of reception perception who was the first big name analyst guy to say it and I said it on this very forum about a week before he said it. He lacks the release package, the speed, the route nuance or the spacial awareness to be a consistent playmaker outside in the NFL. You can not have one or two of those and survive outside. You can't lack all four.

His play wasn't the reason either time in Philly - he was a very good fit for that scheme and there is some similarity in concept to what I expect Leonhard to run here so reasons for optimism. But his play was the reason the Texans cut bait after just three games last season. I think he can play, he is a solid NFL safety, but he thinks he is some sort of defensive difference maker and he isn't that. Yea, to my mind there is almost no chance he is here as more than a one-year rental. And so I'm fine with it in that context. They need a vet who can play next to Cole. But hopefully they are grooming one of the younger guys to step in after this season.