Ethan in Cleveland Posted November 15, 2021 Share Posted November 15, 2021 From what I saw Basham barely saw the field. I think he got a few reps at DE in the fourth quarter. Butler, Phillips, and Oliver took the majority of the DT snaps. Obada and Epenesa were on the field quite a bit. Basham looks stocky (I’m trying to be kind but he looks thick around the waist) and slow. Doesn’t look like a NFL 4-3 DE. Did I miss anything? 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted November 15, 2021 Share Posted November 15, 2021 So where’s the evaluation other than him being fat and slow? 1 27 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted November 15, 2021 Share Posted November 15, 2021 What was your evaluation of him destroying their rb in the backfield in the 4th? 9 1 2 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted November 15, 2021 Share Posted November 15, 2021 Just now, Virgil said: What was your evaluation of him destroying their rb in the backfield in the 4th? What are you implying he has to actually watch him play to evaluate him, that is madness sir. 11 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJB Posted November 15, 2021 Share Posted November 15, 2021 This is why I come to TBD for this type of in depth analysis 1 19 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulus Posted November 15, 2021 Share Posted November 15, 2021 13 minutes ago, NewEra said: So where’s the evaluation other than him being fat and slow? Here's my e v a l: 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted November 15, 2021 Share Posted November 15, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, DJB said: This is why I come to TBD for this type of in depth analysis I think if you are finely tuned, you will likely see this as some thinly veiled Beane bashing. We have a position with serious depth, but one that needs to get younger and cheaper, so that is a bad thing when a new guy isn’t necessarily an instant star. Yes, somewhat confusing. Having a lot of talent and not being desperate to stick new guys in before they are ready is now a bad thing. I know, it takes some getting used to, but that’s what you get for expecting serious analysis. We mostly get……..this. 🤷♀️ . Edited November 15, 2021 by Augie 1 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnNord Posted November 15, 2021 Share Posted November 15, 2021 So he’s fat… that’s your evaluation? I saw him make a few tackles toward the end of the game - including one for a loss 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmotionallyUnstable Posted November 15, 2021 Share Posted November 15, 2021 Only time I really noticed him was on the TFL with the cheap 15 yard unsportsmanlike penalty on AJE which was so ticky tack 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1ManRaid Posted November 15, 2021 Share Posted November 15, 2021 25 minutes ago, Ethan in Portland said: From what I saw Basham barely saw the field. I think he got a few reps at DE in the fourth quarter. Butler, Phillips, and Oliver took the majority of the DT snaps. Obada and Epenesa were on the field quite a bit. Basham looks stocky (I’m trying to be kind but he looks thick around the waist) and slow. Doesn’t look like a NFL 4-3 DE. Did I miss anything? You're just as bad at evaluating football talent as you are at diagnosing foot injuries, "doctor". 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted November 15, 2021 Share Posted November 15, 2021 He's a depth DE at this point. With Hughes and Addison both UFAs after this season he's in develop mode aka AJ E was last year. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted November 15, 2021 Share Posted November 15, 2021 30 minutes ago, Ethan in Portland said: From what I saw Basham barely saw the field. I think he got a few reps at DE in the fourth quarter. Butler, Phillips, and Oliver took the majority of the DT snaps. Obada and Epenesa were on the field quite a bit. Basham looks stocky (I’m trying to be kind but he looks thick around the waist) and slow. Doesn’t look like a NFL 4-3 DE. Did I miss anything? I think when people say ”player evaluation” this is typically not what they mean. 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted November 15, 2021 Share Posted November 15, 2021 28 minutes ago, Virgil said: What was your evaluation of him destroying their rb in the backfield in the 4th? That was a fierce hit!! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted November 15, 2021 Share Posted November 15, 2021 Your evaluation is … based on judging his body? Is this sorority rush week? Maybe circle his “problem areas” and then circle back 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted November 15, 2021 Share Posted November 15, 2021 14 minutes ago, JohnNord said: So he’s fat… that’s your evaluation? I saw him make a few tackles toward the end of the game - including one for a loss Exactly. We don't necessarily need him this year anyway. But he has flashed some nice play. I'm waiting til 2023 to label him a bust. Addison/Hughes aren't going to be around much longer. McD with his rotations, the pick makes sense. Let's see how he develops! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nelius Posted November 15, 2021 Share Posted November 15, 2021 Ethan really on here attempting to fat shame Boogie after destroying a division opponent, I love this place 1 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted November 15, 2021 Share Posted November 15, 2021 44 minutes ago, Ethan in Portland said: From what I saw Basham barely saw the field. I think he got a few reps at DE in the fourth quarter. Butler, Phillips, and Oliver took the majority of the DT snaps. Obada and Epenesa were on the field quite a bit. Basham looks stocky (I’m trying to be kind but he looks thick around the waist) and slow. Doesn’t look like a NFL 4-3 DE. Did I miss anything? Other than the fact that this isn’t an evaluation of basham? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JGMcD2 Posted November 15, 2021 Share Posted November 15, 2021 48 minutes ago, Ethan in Portland said: From what I saw Basham barely saw the field. I think he got a few reps at DE in the fourth quarter. Butler, Phillips, and Oliver took the majority of the DT snaps. Obada and Epenesa were on the field quite a bit. Basham looks stocky (I’m trying to be kind but he looks thick around the waist) and slow. Doesn’t look like a NFL 4-3 DE. Did I miss anything? Yes - where is the evaluation? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted November 15, 2021 Author Share Posted November 15, 2021 I legit wanted to see if I missed him on the field earlier in the game. I thought he would get a decent amount of snaps at DT. Look at him and compare him to Hughes, Rousseau, Addison, and Epenesa. Basham has a completely different body type. I wanted to see him get more plays to see what he can do. Can't criticize a guy positively or negatively until they let him play. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malazan Posted November 15, 2021 Share Posted November 15, 2021 36 minutes ago, Augie said: I think if you are finely tuned, you will likely see this as some thinly veiled Beane bashing. We have a position with serious depth, so that is a bad thing when a new guy isn’t necessarily an instant star. Yes, somewhat confusing. Having a lot of talent and not being desperate to stick new guys in before they are ready is now a bad thing. I know, it takes some getting used to, but that’s what you get for expecting serious analysis. We mostly get……..this. 🤷♀️ Considering the posters history.. Exactly. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strive_for_five_guy Posted November 15, 2021 Share Posted November 15, 2021 1 hour ago, Ethan in Portland said: From what I saw Basham barely saw the field. I think he got a few reps at DE in the fourth quarter. Butler, Phillips, and Oliver took the majority of the DT snaps. Obada and Epenesa were on the field quite a bit. Basham looks stocky (I’m trying to be kind but he looks thick around the waist) and slow. Doesn’t look like a NFL 4-3 DE. Did I miss anything? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted November 15, 2021 Share Posted November 15, 2021 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Ethan in Portland said: I legit wanted to see if I missed him on the field earlier in the game. I thought he would get a decent amount of snaps at DT. Look at him and compare him to Hughes, Rousseau, Addison, and Epenesa. Basham has a completely different body type. I wanted to see him get more plays to see what he can do. Can't criticize a guy positively or negatively until they let him play. Epenesa had a completely different body type too, in his first year. So did Bruce Smith. Where you start is not where you finish. I’ve heard we have the highest pressure rate in the NFL, and if true, I don’t see the reason to be questioning the Basham pick. He may, or may not, pan out but it’s too early to be questioning the pick in my opinion. They have a plan, and I will trust their plan until they give me reason to doubt them. Time will tell. . Edited November 15, 2021 by Augie 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special K Posted November 15, 2021 Share Posted November 15, 2021 1 hour ago, Ethan in Portland said: Can't criticize a guy positively or negatively until they let him play. Then why did you call this thread an "evaluation", and criticize him in your original post?? As was said earlier, this is more of a "redshirt" year for Basham, in the same way that last year was a "redshirt" year for Epenesa. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted November 15, 2021 Share Posted November 15, 2021 The defense didn't really have much negatives, they had a little bit of a vulnerability against the run for a quarter of the game (and this was without Star their best interior run defender). All players in my opinion ranged from fantastic to solid. The Jets have a bad offense the Bills took advantage of it and only let up 3 points when it counted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted November 15, 2021 Share Posted November 15, 2021 I met Ron McDole at a charity event, man was he fat 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptnCoke11 Posted November 15, 2021 Share Posted November 15, 2021 7 hours ago, Ethan in Portland said: From what I saw Basham barely saw the field. I think he got a few reps at DE in the fourth quarter. Butler, Phillips, and Oliver took the majority of the DT snaps. Obada and Epenesa were on the field quite a bit. Basham looks stocky (I’m trying to be kind but he looks thick around the waist) and slow. Doesn’t look like a NFL 4-3 DE. Did I miss anything? He’s not the speed rusher type of DE. He’s more of the Shaq Lawson type. Good at run support and an average pass rusher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rochesterfan Posted November 15, 2021 Share Posted November 15, 2021 7 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: Your evaluation is … based on judging his body? Is this sorority rush week? Maybe circle his “problem areas” and then circle back I don’t want to see that video. Ethan and Basham starring in a sorority video 🤢. 🤮. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSBill Posted November 15, 2021 Share Posted November 15, 2021 7 hours ago, NewEra said: So where’s the evaluation other than him being fat and slow? So he'll be moved inside next year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted November 15, 2021 Share Posted November 15, 2021 7 hours ago, Ethan in Portland said: I legit wanted to see if I missed him on the field earlier in the game. I thought he would get a decent amount of snaps at DT. Look at him and compare him to Hughes, Rousseau, Addison, and Epenesa. Basham has a completely different body type. I wanted to see him get more plays to see what he can do. Can't criticize a guy positively or negatively until they let him play. There’s no way you’re a Cardiologist. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hondo in seattle Posted November 15, 2021 Share Posted November 15, 2021 I'm not sure why you guys are beating up on Ethan. He's a fellow Bills fan, after all! He just wanted our opinion of Boogie. Bills Mafia - Brothers in Arms! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMF2006 Posted November 15, 2021 Share Posted November 15, 2021 Looked alright to me in a limited role and he lived up to his name by bashing that RB BTW Ed Oliver looked really good again and he is looking very svelte 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted November 15, 2021 Share Posted November 15, 2021 This is not a Jaguars board - we have high standards around here for “evaluations,” pithy takes, etc. Do better. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niagara Dude Posted November 15, 2021 Share Posted November 15, 2021 9 hours ago, Ethan in Portland said: From what I saw Basham barely saw the field. I think he got a few reps at DE in the fourth quarter. Butler, Phillips, and Oliver took the majority of the DT snaps. Obada and Epenesa were on the field quite a bit. Basham looks stocky (I’m trying to be kind but he looks thick around the waist) and slow. Doesn’t look like a NFL 4-3 DE. Did I miss anything? Still early but Beane really should have used that choice on a guard and there were plenty available who got drafted after Basham and are starting for their teams. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted November 15, 2021 Share Posted November 15, 2021 54 minutes ago, Niagara Dude said: Still early but Beane really should have used that choice on a guard and there were plenty available who got drafted after Basham and are starting for their teams. I have to agree. Beane was desperate to improve the pass rush. So he drafted two kids praying that one of them would pan out. Luckily Groot seems to be the real deal. In any other year Boogie would be crucified on here for his utter lack of production. Again, maybe luckily, the other veteran DEs have stepped it up in 2021. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houston's #1 Bills Fan Posted November 15, 2021 Share Posted November 15, 2021 29 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: I have to agree. Beane was desperate to improve the pass rush. So he drafted two kids praying that one of them would pan out. Luckily Groot seems to be the real deal. In any other year Boogie would be crucified on here for his utter lack of production. Again, maybe luckily, the other veteran DEs have stepped it up in 2021. Agreed. He is still a rookie, so let's cut him some slack. Only way to get better is to keep playing and working to improve. But, drafting him was probably still a good move as we needed more pass rushers. Hard to get everything you want in the first two rounds of the draft! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiltonWaddams Posted November 15, 2021 Share Posted November 15, 2021 3 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said: There’s no way you’re a Cardiologist. It is his firm belief that that is what you call somebody who watches a lot of poker videos on YouTube. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FarrellsFinest Posted November 15, 2021 Share Posted November 15, 2021 I think we should trade him him and get what we can in the draft. He is not a fit. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted November 15, 2021 Author Share Posted November 15, 2021 10 hours ago, Special K said: Then why did you call this thread an "evaluation", and criticize him in your original post?? As was said earlier, this is more of a "redshirt" year for Basham, in the same way that last year was a "redshirt" year for Epenesa. Poorly titled. Like I said I was excited to see him play and I just wasn't sure if he got on the field earlier than the fourth quarter. I thought he would get some snaps subbing for Oliver who was a beast today 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted November 15, 2021 Share Posted November 15, 2021 11 hours ago, Augie said: I’ve heard we have the highest pressure rate in the NFL, and if true, I don’t see the reason to be questioning the Basham pick. Some would say that’s a great reason to question the Basham pick. 35 minutes ago, Ethan in Portland said: Poorly titled. Like I said I was excited to see him play and I just wasn't sure if he got on the field earlier than the fourth quarter. I thought he would get some snaps subbing for Oliver who was a beast today This is how forums work. People pile on, so instead of having a conversation you have 10 straight posts of people criticizing the same exact thing. But if you had said something positive, like he is in great shape and was fast, you’d be getting likes and positive reactions. Aside from his weight, he really wasn’t a force at all. He played a little over 30% of the snaps and had 1 tackle (for a loss). Rarely saw him around the ball. I think there is a reason why he has been inactive most weeks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted November 15, 2021 Share Posted November 15, 2021 13 hours ago, Ethan in Portland said: From what I saw Basham barely saw the field. I think he got a few reps at DE in the fourth quarter. Butler, Phillips, and Oliver took the majority of the DT snaps. Obada and Epenesa were on the field quite a bit. Basham looks stocky (I’m trying to be kind but he looks thick around the waist) and slow. Doesn’t look like a NFL 4-3 DE. Did I miss anything? nope, but Bean missed drafting Humphry (OL) over this 2nd round bust. Really, Bean is awful in the 2nd round. it's bizarre. Just trade out of those! 10 hours ago, Special K said: Then why did you call this thread an "evaluation", and criticize him in your original post?? As was said earlier, this is more of a "redshirt" year for Basham, in the same way that last year was a "redshirt" year for Epenesa. not sure Epenesa's redshirt year worked out too well. He looks average at best this year. Just let the fans pick the 2nd round or trade for an established vet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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