Ethan in Cleveland

What an interesting thing to say. Poyer and White were loyal to the organization. Apparently loyalty runs only one way in the NFL. I will never feel bad for any player that tries to get maximum value when they can. If a player outplays his contract I support him asking for more money. I completely understand why any player would hate being tagged. Yes that one or two year contract money is great but the risk of injury and missing out on substantial guaranteed income is tremendous. The NFL and NFLPA have done some nice things. Rookie wage scale works well to not overpay for guys that have a very good chance of being busts. Adding performance pay for rookies that outperform their contracts. A vet minimum salary that counts less against the cap. These are all good. If I were the NFL and NFLPA I would let each team designate one QB that is outside the salary cap and you can pay them anything you want. Then you have a cap for all the other players. I would keep the roster at 53 with 10 person PS but let them dress any 53 they want on game day.

What was modest about it?

Yet in limited time he has two playoff INTs - one in 2022 and one in 2023. Benford zero. Douglas zero. How can a guy who can make plays not be taught zone coverage?????

His only value is with the Bills. It's still shocking that he had an ankle injury bad enough to warrant IR and the coaching staff didn't either know about it or just made him inactive. He was injured in preseason and never once on injury report - just made a game day inactive.

It was more than that too...He threw a pass that went right through the defenders hands and should have been another pick 6. Think it went to Metzalaars. And Houston not playing for an onside kick. Crazy stuff. But I get your point, for one magical 28 minutes or so he was unbelievable! A HOF moment in an otherwise forgettable career.

I was in medical school watching the game on TV. Came so close to turning it off and going for a walk. I understand the love for the comeback game. Don't understand the love for Reich. Heck more love should go to the refs for not seeing Beebe step out of bounds or Talley commit pass interference in OT.

They are terrible but for one game they would be awesome!!!

Don't really understand the Reich love. There are people that wanted him to play over Kelly. All fanbases fall in lovexwith the backup QB at onextime or another. He had two magical moments (college and NFL record comebacks) in an otherwise forgettable career. Remember he threw a pick six to start the second half to make the deficit even worse. It's debatable if he is even a good OC/HC. He didn't call the plays for the Eagles SuperBowl win. He was a failure in Indianapolis. I don't blame him for the Carolina debacle ( the owner seems like a moron). Diggs is in the conversation for best Bills WR of all time. He did things that Reed, Moulds, Butler, Dubenion, and Evans never did. Fitz is Fitz. A terribly flawed QB that is an incredibly likeable person.

Agreed. Besting Brady when still in their dynasty was amazing!

So you should want to win now. Go for the proven commodity! Manning won with Harrison and Wayne. Young and Montana had Rice. Brady and Mahommes had two of the three best tight ends in NFL history. Brady had two of the best slot WRs in NFL history in Edelman and Welker. People act like Brady and these other QBs did not have weapons. They played with some of the best players at their positions in NFL history. Maybe Kincaid is in that category. He certainly has started career well.

1. Jefferson is a top 3 WR and a proven superstar. He's still young and has many years of superstar status 2. The draft is a lottery and there is no guarantee the two young players will be any good 3. I want to win now at all costs. 4. Yes they did the same thing with Diggs and it worked nearly perfectly. He was a top 3 WR and the offense was amazing.

They can convert his salry to bonus and sign him to an extension to fit him in the cap this year. I think. Plus you give up #28 so no cap expense for that pick. I think it would be doable with the cap savings you get next season by trading Diggs.

Good thread. I don't know how the pros look at WR but to me I see body size and route trees as the differentiator. To me Samuel is closer to what Diggs was. I think they still need to replace what Davis didn't pan out to be. A guy that can get deep and be a big body on deep crossing routes. They have enough small fast guys that can find holes in the zones. They need a guy that takes the top off the defense and forces them to play 2 deep safeties. That opens up all kinds of things underneath and helps the run game.

No it isn't. Calling Brady fiery and OBJ out of control is lazy and borderline racist. The media does this all the time. Manning got in shouting arguments with Jeff Saturday. Go watch the video Manning is being a jerk to Saturday. Does that show emotion and leadership or immaturity? Or is it two guys that are competitors and at the end of the day respect each other and can move on after the game. Again winning cures everything! If you are a winner this behavior is tolerated and even lauded. Case in point your response to me including Brady. When you lose then it gets dissected and critiqued usually in a negative light.

Honest question. How do you really evaluate a WR when they have garbage QBs throwing to them? I'd pass based on injury history but you would really have to dig in and decide how much of that is bad luck of a chronic issue. As an aside Bills are going to have the same issue evaluating Rousseau as he seems to be injured every year and production decreases as the season wears on.