transplantbillsfan Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 I believe Manny Sanders is a better WR than Brown and is an overall upgrade, but it seems we're missing that WR that can really stretch the field. And I understand that defenses are playing the Bills differently with the whole Cover 2 shell basically forcing us into a short passing game. But without a true deep threat on the field at all times like Brown, that shell seems to get tighter and tighter. Against the Jags the only time we really got the ball down the field was when Allen stretched the play running for his life and found an open WR out of the original context of the play. Within the structure of the plays, it was CONSTANT short passes to Singletary and Beas for trivial yardage. I don't know what the answer is here because I'm not advocating bringing Smoke back even if he's available. And maybe the answer isn't a speed WR it's just ANOTHER great weapon (although Brown wasn't a great weapon), which could be resolved once Knox is back and healthy--hopefully this week. Maybe we should legitimately kick the tires on Beckam. I think Allen would do a better job getting him the ball. Maybe try McKenzie or Stevenson on the outside? I just think in the last couple weeks it's becoming clear that outside of Diggs we really don't have any explosive capability on offense and Allen is understandably resorting to Hero ball because of it. 1 2 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight Hucklebuck Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 I don't think we miss Brown. He had one season where he stayed healthy and functioned as our #1 WR. We miss a WR that has size/speed element, and that's what Knox became this season. We are returning to the smurfs again. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramza86 Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 I dont miss him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyBatty is alive Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 I dont think we miss John Brown. I think many Bill fans are reaching right now as a reaction to that dreadful game. We maybe need Wyat teller but not John Brown. 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stank_Nasty Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 Brown cant even stick on a roster right now, correct? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 Do we miss Brown or do we miss the threat of a burner receiver? I really dont think that is true....ALL of these wide receivers are pretty fast and get open. What we miss is the milliseconds of time between the snap and the DL making contact with our QB or running back 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rubes Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 I miss Wyatt Teller. 4 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 1 minute ago, Stank_Nasty said: Brown cant even stick on a roster right now, correct? Correct. He's "asked for his release" from the Raiders (who didn't bring him back when they released Ruggs) Took him 6 weeks to be signed to the Broncos practice squad, where he was elevated for 2 games, played 6 snaps per game (no targets, no receptions), reverted to the practice squad, then "asked for his release" (though he doesn't need to ask, a PS player is a FA) He just signed to the Jags practice squad, yesterday. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nitro Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 No. He got cut twice this the year and is on Jacksonville's practice squad. Yep. He can not play on that team. Just now, Rubes said: I miss Wyatt Teller. I did not like that trade at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FilthyBeast Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 Yes obviously the reason why this team is struggling right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 No… Brown was done… a decision we can look back and say was the right one at the time… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
First Round Bust Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 it must be an off-day for the team and related news during a week where we lost...not worthy of a response Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 (edited) Man, that Jags loss has severely damaged some people. Edited November 9, 2021 by Gugny 1 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 19 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said: I believe Manny Sanders is a better WR than Brown and is an overall upgrade, but it seems we're missing that WR that can really stretch the field. And I understand that defenses are playing the Bills differently with the whole Cover 2 shell basically forcing us into a short passing game. But without a true deep threat on the field at all times like Brown, that shell seems to get tighter and tighter. Against the Jags the only time we really got the ball down the field was when Allen stretched the play running for his life and found an open WR out of the original context of the play. Within the structure of the plays, it was CONSTANT short passes to Singletary and Beas for trivial yardage. I don't know what the answer is here because I'm not advocating bringing Smoke back even if he's available. And maybe the answer isn't a speed WR it's just ANOTHER great weapon (although Brown wasn't a great weapon), which could be resolved once Knox is back and healthy--hopefully this week. Maybe we should legitimately kick the tires on Beckam. I think Allen would do a better job getting him the ball. Maybe try McKenzie or Stevenson on the outside? I just think in the last couple weeks it's becoming clear that outside of Diggs we really don't have any explosive capability on offense and Allen is understandably resorting to Hero ball because of it. Not a true deep threat? I am not sure where that comes from, Diggs is one of the top 5 deep threats in the league. Sanders is also a deep threat and gotten open on several times where Josh just missed him or was under duress and couldn't get the ball there. Both are better deep threats than Brown, its more that the defenses have been scheming to take away the big play and our OL also has not been able to get Josh the kind of protection he needs to let deep plays develop and hit the pass. So, respectfully disagree it has anything to do with Brown. Especially since Brown was almost non existent last year and barely played when we had the top offense in the NFL. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 If we need anything at WR, it's a big, physical WR with skill. Someone who Allen can throw contested jump balls to down the field when we desperately need a big play or flag. As good as our WR's are, there is no DK, AJ, Mike Williams, Hopkins or Ceedee Lamb on this roster. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
damj Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 Smoke was hurt most of last year anyways. I like the guy, but don't miss him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transient Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 The abolitionist? Cuz you can’t possibly mean the washed up WR… 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobbRiddick Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 I miss Zay Jones and his naked antics 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALLEN1QB Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 I miss his touchdown dance that was something Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transient Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 6 minutes ago, RobbRiddick said: I miss Zay Jones and his naked antics Kelvin Benjamin, while with NYG, missed his sage veteran advice on where he was supposed to line up. Why do you think he kept finding himself in the buffet line with a to-go bag. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blainorama5 Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 14 minutes ago, First Round Bust said: it must be an off-day for the team and related news during a week where we lost...not worthy of a response Welcome to Tuesday. 😉 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poblano Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 you must have missed him since last year that he didn't play much anyway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steptide Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 I think there's a big drop off after Diggs, Sanders and Bease. Obviously Knox has been huge, but Davis, kumero, where are those guys? Need better production from the 4th and 5th guys. Could be part of the p line issues too though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jkeerie Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 The one area where you see a difference without Brown is the wide-receiver screen. Smoke used to break those for long gains, sometimes to the house. It's not the same when we run them with Beasley. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 I can honestly say that I have not missed John Brown at all. Not once. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dablitzkrieg Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 Literally you are the only one in the universe that misses him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 No. What we are missing is an O line. Its that simple. Stop over analyzing. It really is just the O line. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UConn James Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 Whatever it is, and whatever they say they connect in practice… Josh and Sanders just haven’t looked to be on the same page in games. And that Sanders seems to have taken some of Diggs’ looks as well as Gabe Davis’s reps, I think his signing was subtraction by addition. This may be an unpopular opinion but it’s what I’ve felt looking at the games. We finally went to Diggs on one drive in the second half and that was the only time we moved the ball well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freddyjj Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 1 hour ago, transplantbillsfan said: but it seems we're missing that WR that can really stretch the field. And I understand that defenses are playing the Bills differently with the whole Cover 2 shell basically forcing us into a short passing game. But without a true deep threat on the field at all times like Brown, that shell seems to get tighter and tighter. So the Cover1 guys have a review of how the Jags (and Fins) played the Cover-2 Shell to take away the Bills go to 3 level patterns and 4 vertical patterns. Not sure Smoke or any other deep threat opens that up. Really need good Route runners who know where the windows and holes are in these mixed coverage schemes. over the middle and the deep outs should be there as the deep safeties will struggle to get over. Watch the video on post with Cover1 in title Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan in Chicago Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 1 hour ago, transplantbillsfan said: I don't know what the answer is here because I'm not advocating bringing Smoke back even if he's available. And maybe the answer isn't a speed WR it's just ANOTHER great weapon (although Brown wasn't a great weapon), which could be resolved once Knox is back and healthy--hopefully this week. No we dont miss him. He was a non-factor most of last year, even when he was not injured Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 Of all the dumb threads this week we have a winner. what’s or who’s next Zay Jones???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sugar High JA17 Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 Im unsure what to think when it comes to JB but i do know, A Lap Dance Is So Much Better When the Stripper is Crying Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 1 hour ago, transplantbillsfan said: I believe Manny Sanders is a better WR than Brown and is an overall upgrade, but it seems we're missing that WR that can really stretch the field. And I understand that defenses are playing the Bills differently with the whole Cover 2 shell basically forcing us into a short passing game. But without a true deep threat on the field at all times like Brown, that shell seems to get tighter and tighter. Against the Jags the only time we really got the ball down the field was when Allen stretched the play running for his life and found an open WR out of the original context of the play. Within the structure of the plays, it was CONSTANT short passes to Singletary and Beas for trivial yardage. I don't know what the answer is here because I'm not advocating bringing Smoke back even if he's available. And maybe the answer isn't a speed WR it's just ANOTHER great weapon (although Brown wasn't a great weapon), which could be resolved once Knox is back and healthy--hopefully this week. Maybe we should legitimately kick the tires on Beckam. I think Allen would do a better job getting him the ball. Maybe try McKenzie or Stevenson on the outside? I just think in the last couple weeks it's becoming clear that outside of Diggs we really don't have any explosive capability on offense and Allen is understandably resorting to Hero ball because of it. Sanders and Diggs can really stretch the field. John Brown wasn’t “smoke” anymore and that’s why he doesn’t have a team. I was a HUGE smoke fan, but his absence has nothing to do with our struggles Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msw2112 Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 I liked Brown as a Bill, but don't think that his absence hurts the team. Our WRs are fine. The problem is the OL. Because of the instant and constant pressure, there isn't time for the downfield routes to develop, and with no threat of a run game, the safeties don't have to creep up into the box. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 1 hour ago, transient said: The abolitionist? Cuz you can’t possibly mean the washed up WR… In either case, your truth is marching on. 20 minutes ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said: Of all the dumb threads this week we have a winner. what’s or who’s next Zay Jones???? You seem to be enjoying that a wee might vigorously...🤨 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuncha Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 Disagree. Our offense didn't miss a beat when he was out or injured last season. He played in 9 games and had 33 catches 458 yards 3 TD's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 (edited) This is where they miss John Brown: https://www.nfl.com/videos/smokey-and-mirrors-john-brown-scoops-screen-pass-from-turf-to-pay-dirt https://www.buffalobills.com/video/john-brown-takes-the-screen-pass-21-yards-bills-vs-patriots https://www.buffalobills.com/video/john-brown-moves-chains-with-electrifying-speed-on-third-and-long-screen-pass-bi They got nobody out there that can do this........it's a very forgotten aspect of what he brought to the team. Edited November 9, 2021 by BADOLBILZ 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharky7337 Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 (edited) The offense has not had its mojo for sure. If John brown stole our mojo, then I'm all for getting our mojo back! Edited November 9, 2021 by Sharky7337 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
x-BillzeBubba Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 I miss Smoke but that version of him is no more I think...all we need is some pass pro o-linemen, and then our actual receivers will make you forget JB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirAndrew Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 2 hours ago, transient said: The abolitionist? Cuz you can’t possibly mean the washed up WR… That John Brown would have torn Jacksonville a new one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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