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It's Garrett, but a different part of me would prefer Hendrickson so we can keep our 1st and at least 1 of our 2nds. I think part of my ideal offseason is starting to land on still very good but not insanely expensive pass rusher and some combination of 320+ LB, WR, & CB with our first 3 picks. Also wondering if we don't go for Mack in FA. Optics won't be great because of age but he's still awesome. If we traded for Henderson and then got Matthew Golden in the 1st, Alfred Collins with our 2nd and a CB next, I'd be pretty darn excited. Or maybe instead we should get a CB with our 2nd and Jordan Phillips with our next pick just fir consistency. It's still Garrett, though.

I guess I don't know what those people are arguing, but I think Shakir would be the 2nd best WR on the vast majority of NFL teams with obvious exceptions like the Dolphins, Bengals and Eagles. And I don't think we've seen his ceiling and Beane is banking on that the same way he did with the Spencer Brown deal, which now looks like a steal. His deal is fantastic for that reason.

By the way, Greg Tompsett points out that these 4 years are added as new money onto the last year of his rookie deal, when he's slated to make $3.3m due to proven performance escalators. 5 year $63.5m deal locks him up through age 30. Even better! @BullBuchanan and @Jrb1979... stop your whining!

Of course Shakir isn't AJ Brown, Chace, or Davonte Smith. But with this contract he's not being paid like them. In fact, his contract lines up with another former Bill who recently signed a WR contract: Gabe Davis. I'd say Shakir brings a LOT more value than Gabe Davis, which is why this is a fantastic deal.

Top 3???? Yes. Absolutely. Probably top 2 on the Chiefs... maybe the best for that team Your honestly telling me you would take any of Jahon Dotson, JuJu Smith Schuster, Skyy Moore, Justin Watson, 2024 DeAndre Hopkins, Xavier Worthy over Khalil Shakir? There's no point in having a conversation about this if you really would swap Shakir with any of those guys right now. And like I said, I think he’s also a better Wide Receiver than Hollywood Brown.

How can you expect anyone to read beyond your 2nd sentence when this team was just 3 points away from playing in the Super Bowl??? Silly take.

You seem to base all of your evaluation on Groot on the Chiefs game. If you want to do that we should probably cut most of the defense. He was really good throughout the entirety of the season. In terms of all edge rushers in the NFL throughout the year, according to PFF, he had the 3rd most Forced Fumbles, 10th most Stops, 19th most sacks, 18th most hurries, 2nd most QB hits, 3rd most QB pressures and 11th most batted passes all while ranking 25th among players at his position in total snaps. That type of production is the type of production that should earn a contract in the 10th-15th pass rusher range, which is exactly what we're talking about. And then just imagine what will happen for his production when we get someone better than what we had in 2024 on the opposite side of the line?

You just aren't being realistic about your expectations. Groot was an Elite NFL DE when it comes to run Defense and a B-B+ pass rusher. He had 8 sacks, 16 TFLs, 3 Forced Fumbles, 1 Fumble Recovery and 3 Passes Defensed. If he gets paid $22m AAV, that would translate to about 8% of the 2025 CAP. % of the CAP at signing is really what we need to look at when it comes to these contracts and lucky for us, that's easy to find: https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/contracts/_/position/edge/sort/average_league_cap_pct/dir/desc If Groot signed a contract for $22m AAV, he'd be 15th in the NFL in terms of Edge Rusher contracts at signing when it comes to % of the CAP. He'd be just behind Harold Landry and just ahead of Joey Bosa.

Did you mean tango or is there some kind of messaging I'm missing with this word?

You must not pay attention to Edge Rusher numbers. $22m is what Bradley Chubb is making right now and he's the 10th highest paid Edge rusher. $22m would actually be a good deal for Groot. I could see us paying him as much as $25m though.

This is such an awesome deal! $15m AAV????? Are you kidding! I thought it would be more like $20, but was hoping he'd take a little discount and get down to something like $18. One thing I hope we all agree on with Beane is that he's been pretty good about extending the right players early.

Fair enough. For the record, I liked Beane’s move to get Von a few years ago. And it was working out great before the injury. I don't begrudge Beane’s move so I guess you're talking to another camp. That said, Garrett is a lower injury risk.

We are clearly talking about something that is 3 1st round picks or less. Myles Garrett has missed 5 games in his NFL career for injury. 1 for a concussion and 4 for a high ankle sprain. Are you saying odds are more likely that Garrett will suffer a season ending injury than the combination of all the draft capital we trade for him? I would argue that Garrett would be more impactful to the team than all those draft picks you're talking about. Scouts always say draft the ceiling, not the floor. In other words, hope for the best. With Garrett, we know what his best is and it's amazing. Not so much with any draft pick.