Alphadawg7

Nice work on this and it’s what I thought coming in after Beanes presser a week ago where I wrote it was more likely we trade back at 28. I think Beane is a great spot here to trade down again if he gets an offer he feels good about, so it will be interesting to see if he stays put or adds more ammo this year or next. Picking here has lots of options for Beane too outside WR. So if he doesnt go WR I gotta think he’s gonna use some of those remaining 10 picks to aggressively move up for someone like Franklin, Mitchell, McConkey, etc.

Bills did NOT trade back with the notion there was only one guy they wanted. You don’t go back 4 spots if there is a risk of losing the one guy you want in this range. So sorry, but this thread is a waste of time.

I actually think there is a solid chance Hyde comes back for one more season once Tre’s money is off the books. Beane has even alluded to this as has Hyde where it seems to be coming down to Hyde and his medical risks he’s getting opinions on.

But we didn’t “help” KC. We reduced their drafting power and took away a pick they need as they have a lot of other holes so they can get a WR who wasn’t even the scariest option for them with at least 5 other WRs they could have taken 4 picks later, including likely the one they drafted. And in doing so, we helped us with more draft ammo to try and improve our team to get past them. This notion we helped them is just not accurate in this specific trade scenario IMHO. And it should be your opinion too given you don’t think Worthy was the best choice and they lost a 3rd in taking him.

I mean it’s possible, but I honestly don’t, from what I hear is that they loved Pearsall. Worthy does not at all fit Lynch style of player. I kept telling people after the combine not to sleep on Pearsall, he had one of the best combines of any WR. He is much more the type of player SF looks for compared to Worthy.

Legette is your 4th WR on your board. My criticism is he has a lot to work on to succeed as a WR1 at next level and felt better taking him round 2. However, even I would say Legette in KC is a LOT scarier than Worthy who is no where near the same type of player Hill is as people are making it out to be. If there was a place that I felt Legette could reach his potential it’s KC. And him at his potential is a nightmare scenario. So if KC misses on Worthy what’s stopping them from taking someone way scarier in Legette? And man, do I feel bad for Legette. Carolina was a terrible spot for him and I think it decreases his chances of reaching his potential. But him in KC would have been worse than Worthy by a lot IMHO. And quite frankly so would have McConkey, Mitchell and Franklin.

I get that, but each trade is in a vacuum with individual circumstances. And in this case, the correct move was to strip KC of a 3rd as there was nothing Bills could to keep KC from getting a top WR prospect with top end speed and more than likely they still get the same player anyway. If Bills were picking 12th and we gave KC a shot at an elite prospect that was head and shoulders above the other ones on the board, then yes, don’t do that trade. But in this case, taking away their 3rd was a win for us in every way you can analyze the trade.

Yeah, there are several that would at least compete to start year 1. And if they wanted to lean on the Vets more and let one of them learn they at least bring much needed depth as we have no one behind those 2 that would be good options if one went down.

Safety has been a vital part of McDs defense. So while we do have 2 guys who could start, they are making anyone shake in their boots either and are a downgrade to what we had for the past 6 years.

I get what you are saying…but…What is the alternative though? The only way to block KC from getting him is to take him ourselves. So should Bills have taken a guy they didn’t want to block KC from getting him? And let’s say we did, or we took someone else or traded with someone else and KC missed out on Worthy? The result would have been Legette sitting there for KC or even Mitchell or Franklin too…all IMHO better WR prospects in the first place who all have top end speed themselves. Not to mention McConkey who everyone was terrified of KC getting a week ago. I just think that anyone thinking we needed to play defense there with the plethora of WRs still on the board is being unrealistic. At least by trading, we took away their 3rd round pick which in itself weakens them as they still need help pretty badly at CB, OL, etc. And that 3rd we took becomes a valuable piece for us where Beane has been maybe the best GM in the NFL since becoming GM on drafting in the mid rounds or using those picks to maneuver to get what he wants. All in all, there was zero Beane could do to keep KC from landing speed at WR at pick 32, whether it was Worthy or not. At least Worthy isn’t strong, meaning in the cold playoff games in bad weather his best attributes will be easier neutralized too. So this was best case scenario, for us to take away their 3rd for our use as they were getting a fast WR regardless in 4 picks.

Don't forget about Newton too...he could be an option here as well. But I do agree, I think if I had to guess who is BPA right now at this pick on Beane's board it is probably not a WR given the players who are still on the board. Maybe Mitchell, McConkey, or Franklin could be, or at least close...just the value on a couple of these other guys seems pretty high right now.

You do realize there are other good QB's that have been drafted since Allen was picked, including a 2 time MVP from the same draft after Allen right? You also realize Beane has one of the best draft records in the NFL since becoming GM right?

Don't forget, KC could have made the same trade offer with one of the teams behind us too and not just wait until pick 32. I would say the odds of them getting him were pretty strong. But yes, as you know, I thought Dallas could be a place Worthy could go, but I also stated they should go OL, that was the smarter and better pick for them. So with Guyton being there still, I think they would have likely stayed the course and taken Guyton because if they wanted Worthy they wouldn't have risked missing out on him trading back behind our pick IMO. And they still could have taken Mitchell there too which would have added a lot of speed and explosion to the offense still as well. Personally, I don't think SF takes Worthy, he is not their style of player at all and they loved Pearsall from what I heard after the draft. Its possible, but I doubt he was going to go to SF.

There was never a "big splash" coming though, that was crystal clear that was not Beane's intent for anyone who actually watched Beanes press conference last week and listened to what he was saying. I posted it with takeaways and those takeaways came out spot on and matched everything he said last night in his press conference about round 1. https://www.twobillsdrive.com/community/topic/254120-brand-beane-press-conf-418/ Now...Bills are armed rest of this draft (only had to move back 5 spaces) to really address some needs on this team, including ammo to move around the draft as he sees fit. Plus we have 3 picks in the first 2 rounds next year still and Beane still also has this coveted pick 33 that I am sure he is getting flooded with offers for if he sees an opportunity that makes sense to take. Beane killed it round 1. Not to mention, Worthy and Legette were the exact 2 WR's I had been very vocal about NOT drafting in round 1. Worthy is a terrible fit in Buffalo for what this roster needs and Legette has the most to work on to avoid being another Gabe Davis.

How do you not know Worthy still reaches KC if we don't trade with KC? Would you rather take some draft capital AWAY from KC and they take Worthy...or let KC get to KEEP that extra draft capital and STILL get Worthy? The only moronic thing here is that you don't seem to understand this fact that KC was getting Worthy regardless and we instead got their 3rd almost exactly replacing the one we used to trade for Rasul vs them still getting Worthy and keeping their 3rd. This fan base can be mind blowing on how they over react and don't see the bigger picture to things.

Yeah for real man, spot on

I would say this aged pretty well and I was pretty spot on. And here is Beane basically echoing the same things tonight after round 1 where he said he never even tried to trade up and no one called him either to try and initiate us to trade up. He even directly references wanting to get a 3rd back as I mentioned above and how now we have pick 95 and the pick we gave up for Rasul was like pick 91, so we essentially got that pick back. Like I keep saying, all you have to do is listen to Beane and pay attention, he is about as straight forward as they come. Or don't and rely on bogus twitter nonsense designed to create buzz and clicks...but I think you will find Beanes own words to be more accurate than anything on social media.

Hahahaha this thread was all for nothing. Beane said they never even tried to trade up and no one called them about seeing if they wanted to trade up either. I was pretty certain that we wouldn't make a big trade up, and was very vocal about it. But even I let the rumors get to me thinking well maybe they will even though it made no sense to me. Gotta love the rumor mill of utter nonsense and BS this time of year haha

Honestly, the best part of today for me was not taking Worthy or Legette. They were the only 2 WRs of the discussed ones for us in the first I didn’t want to take in the first. And not picking them and adding more draft ammo with multiple WRs still there I have graded above both Worthy and Legette, especially in fit for the Bills specifically, is awesome IMHO. I think McConkey, Mitchell, and Franklin are all better prospects for the Bills personally. To be totally honest, I would rather draft Ja’Lynn Polk over either Worthy or Legette too in terms of fit for the Bills.

They were getting him regardless if we didn't trade. At least this way we took away some of their draft capital.

THANK YOU. The reactions around here are so ridiculous. We clearly didn't want Worthy or we would have taken him. And if pass at 28 and take someone else, Worthy still makes it to KC. Unreal how this is puzzling for some people

I could see that. Gonna be a lot of options here at 33. Trade back again, lots of guys who make sense for us still on board. Go defense with someone like DeJean or Newton. Address OL with someone like JPJ Take one of the WR's people thought we would take at 28 possibly in: Mitchell, McConkey, or Franklin Then if we say take another position, will Beane sit at 60 and see who falls or maybe take someone like Walker there? Or will he be aggressive and move back up for one of those other WR's. Tomorrow will be fun to see how it unfolds...not real definite way I can see him play this right now. Lots of options.

This is what I said in the live draft thread...Cooper (I had at 32 before the trade down, nut now 33) and then they will take Walker at 60 if they don't trade back up. Or take Cooper and then package some picks and move back up from 60 and get McConkey, Mitchell, or Franklin. If we end the first 2 rounds with Cooper and one of the WR's everyone thought we would take at 28, that would be a great start to the draft.

Worthy 6/23 on deep balls. 5/21 on contested catches. He’s not that good of a deep ball guy. He fits KC short throw attack where they lead the league in throws near or behind the LOS which Worthy had 21% of his targets be screens and 40% of snaps in the slot. Worthy was always a terrible fit in Buffalo

Not saying this should happen, but I can see this happening: 32 - Cooper DeJean 60 - Tez Walker - If the Bills don’t trade up in 2nd for a WR.