Alphadawg7

Im not discrediting facts, I literally said I trust the facts coming from actual professionals not a fantasy football fan who turned his love for fantasy football into a job. And you just shared a scout comparing him to a borderline HOF WR. If he has the same rookie season Boldin had we might finally advance in the playoffs. PS: He’s also faster, taller and more athletic than Anquan Boldin.

What I am saying is that Matt Harmon doesn’t have the same qualifications to make that assessment over people who know a lot more about film breakdown, football, scouting, and grading prospects who don’t have the same concerns about him getting separation in the NFL. So going back to the original point…Coleman was not as “polarizing” as you put it among the experts that he was amongst the fans, and Mark Harmon is a fan you created a career around fantasy football breakdowns. He isn’t a trained scout. And most real football professionals were very high on him and had him generally ranked in the WR6 range ahead of most the WRs other people wanted us to draft.

Haha good reference. I think you can say a little bit of that for sure.

Actually the gap is quite wide in skill, time invested, knowledge, and information between professional scouts and fan evaluations. I know some scouts and I can tell you it’s not close to what they have on these guys and the time they put in.

You think making charts for fantasy football purposes of things that already happened equates to him breaking down film and analyzing prospects and the nuances of their positions to determine their actual strengths, weaknesses, and abilities to develop at the next level? Analyzing stuff for fantasy football has no automatic correlation to scouting and grading college prospects.

I can assure you that you don’t at all understand who Keon Coleman is.

You know Coleman is faster than DeAndre Hopkins, Cooper Kupp, and whole lot of other great WRs right?

Every player has critics, and I hard disagree about Matt Harmon who is just a fantasy football commentator.

That’s not actually the issue. We are the 2nd highest scoring team in the NFL the past 4 years. Our biggest issues on offense have been we are a soft offense outside of Allen…a finesse offense where we didn’t have that toughness to match our opponents in the playoffs. We haven’t been able to match the more physical play that happens in the playoffs and it’s why we just can’t make that “one more play” than KC. They have toughness that comes out in big moments, we haven’t. We aren’t trying to build back the same soft finesse team. We are building a tougher team full of guys who make plays, make catches, and have the toughness and edge to step up when it matters.

The irony here is that Coleman ran a faster 40 at the Combine than Cooper Kupp. Also, did you not know Coleman ran an even faster 40 at his pro day and that it’s faster than DeAndre Hopkins fastest time? We just drafted a guy who is a more athletic and more physical DeAndre Hopkins. It’s like if Brandon Marshall and Hopkins had a baby it would be Coleman. I can’t wait to look back at all these crazy takes and reactions like the Allen thread though, it’s gonna be fun.

No disrespect, but the only people Coleman was polarizing too were fans who don’t understand WRs or that 40 times are the most over rated and meaningless stat, especially when discussing separation. These are the same fans that don’t realize that Coleman ran a faster 40 at his pro day too. The same fans who don’t know that his 40 time is faster than DeAndre Hopkins, Cooper Kupp, Brandon Marshall, Larry Fitzgerald, and so many more elite WRs. GMs, scouts, analysts, etc don’t find him “polarizing” and love this guy and his potential. New England was trying to trade ahead of us to get him at end of first round and couldn’t pull it off. His avg WR ranking was WR6 and ahead of so many “speedy” guys for a reason.

Anyone who calls him a possession receiver or compares him to Benjamin, Funchess, etc has no idea what they are talking about. They are just uninformed people who read about a meaningless 40 time at the combine and made wild and stupid assumptions off it. An actual comparison is actually a more athletic DeAndre Hopkins or Brandon Marshall. In fact, if Hopkins and Marshall had a baby it would be Coleman. And…wait for it…Coleman ran a faster 40 at his pro day and that was faster than both Hopkins and Marshall’s fastest 40 times. Bonus nugget: Anyone who thinks 40 times have anything to do with getting separation in the NFL have no idea about what they are talking about and no idea how analyze and grade a WR.

All you did with this thread and tell everyone you literally know nothing about Coleman and Davis. If you did you wouldn’t have started it with these inaccurate and lazy comparisons. And I don’t know why this is so hard for people to understand…but Beane isn’t trying to bring in Davis 2.0 and Diggs 2.0 so stop trying to say well this guy must be this guys replacement. Its not at all what they are doing.

Thats not what he was saying though. Go listen to the interview. He said what I’ve been saying for months, the team is being built tougher with more edge so we stop playing so soft in the playoffs and get out bullied. He’s looking for edge on these guys and leadership. This quote was taken out of context and he wasn’t saying we are rebuilding.

Can we just make him the best FB in the NFL please. This big man can move.

4.51 isn’t slow. Thats what he ran on his pro day.

Sorry, I thought you were comparing them, misunderstood. I do think Coleman will be our WR1. They aren’t trying to rebuild the same style offense and I think want more toughness and physical players.

Sorry…but…You don’t know what you are talking about if you think there is any similarity between Coleman and Gave Davis. And I’m gonna guess you only made that lazy inaccurate comparison over a combine 40 time that was improved upon at his Pro day too. They are not at all the same player.

Shame on Allen for wanting a big target who makes big catches when he needs someone like that in the big moments that Diggs never did.

Way too much is made of this though. Very vast majority the greatest WRs in the NFL now and in history did not run sub 4.3 or less forty’s. It’s not the prerequisite to be great many in this board think it is.

Im absolving GM's from criticism at all, and that criticism is what comes later when you know what players are or aren't after stepping on the NFL field and showing who they are. I am saying on draft night, these people who have done NONE of the research, no less than 1% what the GM's know and have on these players right now that run around literally coming unhinged on draft night because a guy they "know" wasn't drafted over a guy the "didn't know" is absurd. And citing the one time out of a hundred they guessed right on a past decision using hindsight is 20/20 is even dumber. Its fine to have favorites, its fine to not know who guys are. But instead of melting down because it wasn't who they expected, maybe go look into that player and see why he was the pick and the kind of player he is instead of starting threads to fire Beane or melting down and whining in every thread because the Bills didn't take a guy a WR at 33 who is actually still on the board in the 4th. Coleman will be a WR1 for us. What people are not realizing is we are not trying to "replace" Diggs and Gabe, we are building a different style offense all together for what Joe Brady wants to do. We are in now way are trying to get Davis 2.0 and Diggs 2.0 and their focus now is clear about that and Beane has said as much.

You also loved Rosen when I told you he was gonna bust hard. Hahaha 😂 sorry couldn’t resist bud But yes, GMs aren’t going to be right every time either, and it cracks me up when people (not at all talking about you, talking about the melt down people) bring like one time where they were “I told you take DK over Ford” as proof they know more about drafting players while conveniently not remembering the 1000 other players they wanted that busted over guys who didn’t. Or all the guys they laughed at because they never heard of who go on to be great players.

Where was your genius when we drafted Bernard? How about Milano? Were you on here challenging those picks too? The narcissistic point of view that you think you know more and have even 1% the info and knowledge on these players as Beane and his staff do is hilarious.

Yes another great example. I wouldn’t say we are desperate though, Coleman is 100% a boundary WR. I’m not 100% even sure we do take another WR, but I think we probably will. I think Tez Walker is a guy to watch as we met with him a lot. I can see us moving up to get him potentially as a deep ball guy. Or who knows, maybe the Franklin meltdown crowd will get their guy.

Wait you’re saying higher drafted players have higher success rates? Lol, you really needed to type 3 paragraphs to break that news? Maybe you didn’t read the post I was responding to who was distraught at WR he didn’t even want to try and address anymore with these next picks because what’s the point in these rounds. It’s so ridiculously absurd of a statement he should delete it so it doesn’t haunt his posting history for all of time.