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I am surprised Forrest has not been more in the mix if they don't feel like Bishop or Hamlin is seizing the reigns yet. Personally, I think it was more they were really focusing on Bishop developing further to be the guy and just giving him as much opportunity to grab it and it was at the expense of guys like Forrest, but at this point feels like we should start seeing or hearing Forrest getting some chances with the 1's.

No disrespect, but I don't agree with this philosophy at all, which also gets thrown around with RB's. Just because there are some examples where some later round picks panned out doesn't mean that is the place to target impact players. I mean Brady was a 6th round pick, Kurt Warner was UDFA, Brock Purdy Mr. Irrelevant - thats not an indicator to future success of finding franchise QB's. You are not finding Ed Reed's easily on day 3 picks, if ever. One thing everyone complains about here is not finding more top end talent, and when we have holes in positions, like we have had at Safety, why should they settle for just looking for a capable starter at best in the late rounds and then just hoping for the rare off chance they actually find a pro-bowler like Hyde and Poyer eventually became? And lets be real about Hyde and Poyer, it took them a while to get to that level, they were not impact players early in their careers and didn't blossom until they left their original teams and went on to play for the Bills. Finding a late round rookie safety who doesn't blossom until their next team adds no value to a team pursuing a SB today. The Bills should absolutely be looking to upgrade the weakest positions in FA and early in drafts while we are in the SB hunt, especially given how important the S position is in a McD defense. The Ravens not only drafted Ed Reed in the first round, they drafted Kyle Hamilton which they obviously don't regret also in the first round - and now they just also drafted Malaki Starks in the first round to play opposite him 3 years later. Doesn't mean Bishop proves to be the right guy or not, but the decision to address one of our weakest position groups at one of our most important positions in the 2nd round is not a bad approach in my book.

This. Well said, doesn't mean Bishop is looking like a star had he not missed time, but missing time has certainly done him no favors, especially with the mental aspect of playing safety in a McD defense. And I think McD was sending a message today more than anything and hopefully it helps. Bishop was also not playing out there with the guys he will normally be playing with, so being behind is tough enough, and then having to do it with mostly 2nd string guys out there too compounds the problem instead of the veteran guys who can do their jobs better and also help him on the field too. Not making excuses for him, and you aren't either. But for a young player in this Defense, the missed time and lack of time with the starters is certainly not helping.

You are right. It has nothing to do with money - because it has everything to do with he couldn't pass a physical yet as he wasn't yet recovered from his injury. He is a lot better than many of those "300 WR's" in camps. He isn't washed, he was hurt. Should he be a WR2 somewhere - not really, he is a lower tier WR2 at best. But as a WR3/4, he has great value to a lot of teams as both a blocker and a receiver. To call a guy in his 20's who has been as productive as him "washed" is just a wild over exaggeration coming off a tall glass of Hater-ade.

If Gabe comes in then someone is leaving - Samuel or Moore. And it makes me think that if they are serious about Gabe that they may be looking to trade Samuel as I think Moore and Shavers are battling right now for one of the spots and Shavers plays special teams too on top of having some speed. And none of Gabe, Samuel, or Moore have any special team value, so really feels like Shavers is ahead on the battle at this stage. So kind of feels like if Gabe joins the team officially, there is a good chance it could end up being him and Shavers in and Samuel and Moore out.

No worries, I get it, I know what the OP was asking. My response is that IMHO the game tape on Diggs says and shows how talented he was. Talent and fit are very different things, and while Diggs had immense talent (still some of the best feet and routes I have ever seen), his personality clashed with the vibe of this locker room and wore down the relationship. And it was magnified by Brady's offense going away "featuring" a target which also allowed Josh to play less reckless and minimize mistakes by getting rid of those forced error turnovers. As far as the MVP goes, not having Diggs (or Davis) helped his case for the MVP because Burrow and Lamar had better stats, but Allen had a better record while working with less weapons around him.

Good write up, nothing really to add, pretty much agree with everything you said. I said before preseason began that Shavers probably ends up on the PS. But then after the rest of camp and the first preseason game, I posted that I think Shavers may already be ahead of Moore, and a big reason was not only was he playing better at WR thus far, but he was playing more and playing well on ST. Moore and Samuel at the end of the WR bench bring very little value there. For the Bills to keep no WR's that can help on ST much means those 5 guys better be balling, and they just arent. Now after the 2nd preseason game, I think Shavers is ahead in the competition with Moore. On a side note, Samuel hasn't done anything either to keep his job security up either. BUT - his advantage is worse contract to cut and he has experience with Josh, Brady, and the offense. So I think its Shavers or Moore and right now, if I had to bet on one, I would bet on Shavers. Would it surprise me to see them send Shavers to PS and keep Moore - No - but I still think Shavers is the betting favorite now over Moore.

This. I would say top 5, but he had a case for top 3 for his first 2 1/2 seasons here.

Palmer was a WR2 before here. Shakir is one of the most respected slot WRs in the league and starts anywhere he wanted to go right now. Keon is a starting WR entering his sophomore season who was on pace for 1000 yards as a rookie before he got hurt against the Dolphins. But you don’t see any WRs who would be more than a 4 on any other team? Sounds like you don’t know what you are looking at.

Hamlin is a backup Safety and totally replaceable - no doubt. But his replacement is not on this roster, and if they are, they certainly haven't stepped up to show it yet. Hamlin is going no where this year because Safety is currently our weakest position group and its not close. Rapp and Bishop will start, Hamlin will back up Bishop and the hope is that Bishop takes a step forward this year to be at the very min an improvement on what our Safeties did last year. The only hope in terms of someone replacing Hamlin is Forrest steps up - but I don't think I have heard his name mentioned even once the entire offseason by anyone and he is still at the back of the depth chart. So odds of that happening before the season begins seems pretty unlikely and he is teetering on being a roster bubble guy right now.

So you have decided Coleman and Palmer, before seeing them in a game this year, suck too. Got it.

lol - Never change Jimmy

I said it after the first preseason game that I think, and the race and battle isn’t over, but I think Shavers has edged his way ahead in this battle. And I was pretty confident Moore was going to make this roster prior to that, but I think Shavers is doing everything he can to change that.

Thats what the Bengals have been trying to do and can’t make the playoffs. That’s the Dolphins keep trying to do and haven’t done better than the 6th seed, missed playoffs last year, and never won a playoff game. That’s what the Pats tried and did better than any team in history until they lost to Eli Manning and the meh Giants. That’s what the Manning led Broncos tried and set the new record as best to do it ever until they got blown out by a run first offense with a game manager 2nd year QB. It’s the not the solution people think it is. Someone already said the correct answer - IMHO Miles Garrett.

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IMHO There is no chance Knox is getting cut, they love Knox and he is a key member of the offense

And the Lions last year scored the 4th most points in NFL history - so a lot of teams struggled covering their offense and wasn’t just a Bills. St Brown is an elite player too

And yet the Lions lost

I heard we are not well run, terrible at drafting, offense stinks, defense stinks, we are too boring, and our first preseason game predicts our doom. So are you sure we are not still in the "dark ages"? 😂

You want a real hoot - go read the insane reactions and the ridiculous stuff in the original Hard Knocks thread when it was announced. Some hilarious takes in there Those hot takes are not aging well especially for a select few lmao

One of the best posts of the offseason. Nice job sir

I feel your pain! I am part of a big mens group with a lot of big hitters in it from media, tech, music, leadership, business, etc. that meets every Saturday and has all these guest speakers come in. I remember sitting in the theatre on Saturdays (now we meet via zoom on Saturdays) listening to some of biggest crypto people in the game tell us all the time to just put $10k in Ethereum and let it sit. Same people who told them to buy bitcoin when it was worth nothing too (I wasn't in the group back then). Ethereum was at $6 then and that $10k would be worth based on todays price $7,888,033! I think it about all the time as I had the $10k to do it, but buying crypto was complicated back then, nothing like now to buy or use it, so I just didn't have the time or bandwidth to really dive into it as I had so much already going on with two businesses I was building and running at the time. There are guys in the group who literally made hundreds of millions getting in early on Ethereum in that group who now live in sick places in like Bali, Dubai, Costa Rica, Malaysia, etc. Oh what could have been lol.

So you expect Beane to see the future? If people knew the future do you think Jefferson would have been the 4th WR taken in that draft or would he gone first instead of Henry Ruggs? Maybe we should slam every GM who passed on Jefferson before the Vikings took him too because they all should have known a guy who played a lot of slot in college was going to be the best 1 or 2 WR's in football. Sorry, the hindsight stuff is a waste of time and not based in reality.

Ok so how did a thread on signing Cook turn into a turd session about pissing and moaning over WR's? I don't know whats worse - this being discussed in a thread about Cook or your rant that it seems WR's can only be drafted despite the fact we traded for Diggs who was a top 5 WR for most of Allens first 4 years of his prime.

Anytime someone says they can find a RB as good as Cook "easily and cheaply" tells me they play too much Madden