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Be realistic about what is more likely to happen in terms of where he signs is not at all "rooting against it". To interpret it that way is bizarre to me. I mean I have said in every single post I am good with him coming back. Any of who? If you are talking about our WR room...I suggest you go watch Shakir highlights, I coincidentally did last night while putting my kids to sleep as it popped up in my youtube feed. Its sensational. And no one thinks poorly about Davis highlights...every player in NFL has a highlight real who plays any relevant minutes...but people have been concerned about his low lights.

Gabe Davis was our WR2 and now many of you want to bring him back as our WR5 (which I am fine with if they do). And yet somehow to many of those same people have been yelling non stop that we haven't improved the WR room the past 2 years even though our former WR2 would be a WR5 here now? Um...ok. lol

Im not arguing against bringing him in…Ive said since my first post I am good bringing him back, I only don’t like him as a starter to depend on, but depth I’m good with it. What I am saying is it makes little sense for Gabe, really no sense, if he’s got opportunities to be WR2/3 elsewhere because he’s not going to get much action here to reset his career and look for a next contract. Not to mention, any contract he gets here is also going to be much smaller and probably just 1 year. So as I said before, it feels unlikely for the main reason that we don’t have a consistent role for him here unless someone gets hurt. And at this stage of his career I would think he’s more focused on re-establishing himself again as more than just a depth player. Maybe I’m wrong, but that’s what I would think would in the best interest of his career and future earnings. But if his market is cold, teams aren’t offering much better of an opportunity, then sure I can see coming back here being more attractive especially to try and get a ring (although Bills still have to be interested too). I just expect several teams to be interested that offer him a bigger chance to compete for a lot more targets.

A guy who’s already had injuries you see playing at a high level until he is 36? And at a position where 32 commonly begins the falling off a cliff portion of their careers? I wouldn’t bank on that. I’m all for adding him because all I care about right now is winning the Super Bowl this year. But to expect him to be a high end player for 6 more years is a low percentage bet. For context: His brother JJ Watt is 36 now and been retired since 2022 and only had one good season in his 30’s.

One - there is 0% chance to be WR3. Our top 3 guys are without question Keon, Palmer, and Shakir. Only injuries could change that. Two - We aren’t likely keeping 6 WR, and if we do it would be to keep a ST player only like Shenault as a returner. Especially with all the new guys brought in for the secondary and DL. So to bring him means at least Moore would be gone. He would be a backup here playing more as a WR4/5 with Samuel at best. And we still have Kincaid and the RBs (who all 3 RBs catch and made up 20% of Allen’s target last year). That means Davis would be coming here for a role that is destined for 10-30 catches at best without injuries creating more opportunities. Do you really think Davis is going to choose that minimal role over a team where he could compete to start or at least be an actual WR3? Seems less likely to me than him going to a team with a bigger need and potential role like Giants, Steelers, Pats, Ravens, Sea, SF, etc.

One thing that has stuck out to me here with this thread...too many people sleeping on Keon. I do get it to an extent, he regressed significantly returning from injury. But his pre injury performance is better than what people remember, ESPECIALLY when weighing the context of those games. Hmmmm...maybe this will lead to a "Calling it now" thread, the wheels are turning haha...stay tuned lol

I agree with everything you said, however, the bolded is where I just dont think it jives with what his real role would be here unless injuries come into play. I think he is looking at 20-30 rec at most here without injuries, not sure that gets him his next legit gig. Along with Pitt and NYG, off the top of my head I could also see SF, Rams, Sea, NE, Cle, Balt, LAC, Jets, etc all being potential teams with interest.

Says the guy who didn't read a post correctly that started the conversation. I didn't do any of those things at any point. You are gaslighting trying to bury you initial mistake, and like I said, straight from your playbook that makes having good conversations with you nearly impossible for almost the entirety of the posters here. This below here ⬇️ is maybe the first real attempt at a football discussion by you thus far. If you just stuck to this rather than all your gaslighting, things would be so much better around here Agreed. There is never one single, exact, specific thing that is 100% the reason for a games outcome. Anyone who believes that is delusional. BUT - There are definitely things that are bigger and more impactful factors in creating those results. No one, literally no one, is saying the WR room is the best and can't improve. The argument has been made that the most important factor is scoring points, and this team scored the most points and PPG in the AFC reg season and post season, it scored the most total points in the entire NFL in reg season and post season combined (yes more than the SB champ Eagles), and the 16th most all time. And as a bonus add on, no team has scored more points over the past 5 seasons than the Bills. And lets add even deeper context. Bengals have arguably the best 3 headed monster in football in Burrow, Chase, and Higgins. Burrow led the league in many passing categories and Chase in receiving, so statistically its not even arguable. Yet - they missed the playoffs - again. Bengals had to play for their life all season, all 17 games, and just about every quarter of football. Bills set an NFL record for most wins by 20+ points, took whole quarters and some halves essentially to grind clock and sat Allen week 17. Yet Bills - with inferior WR's, lesser passing stats, less quarters and games playing all out, etc STILL scored MORE points. On the other side of the field, our defense was the bottom of the league in 3rd down conversions and also 1st downs allowed. The only saving thing for the D was turnovers, an unsustainable stat that lacks consistency. So while everyone, including myself, agrees that the WR lacks "difference making talent" - this offense isn't built to need that and our DL was the weaker performing unit last year. Agreed Agreed Cooper and Hollins combine for 4.3 receptions a game here. Palmer alone is adequate to replace that, and he brings more and is more effective down field than either The Ghost of Cooper was and Mack the Block Hollins was. And it isn't just Palmer and Moore replacing Cooper and Hollins...its Keon as well. He won't be splitting time this year, has a year under his belt, and will be a bigger part of the offense. Not to mention both Samuel and Kincaid are coming in healthy, where like it or not, injuries impacted their 2024 seasons where they both played hurt most the season. And despite what I said about about Keon and Kincaid, I do agree they need to take another step forward this year. But you see...that is the BIG difference in being the GM and being a fan who wants to rant online about decisions. The GM and coaching staff invested in those guys and BELIEVE in those guys. They are the ones who see them everyday, coach them, and know more about them than any of us do. So its both unrealistic and a waste of time to sit back and expect them to just throw in the towel on Keon or Kincaid because you specifically think they were terrible. Keon and Kincaid both know they have things to work on, the coaches know that, the GM knows...but they also see enough to where they are continuing to build with them and around them as they see them as ascending players. And at the end of the day...that is the difference. And coming off a season where the offense was 16th most points and 33rd most PPG all time, its hard to fault them for having confidence in the guys they have and the guys they brought in to help fill roles where we were lacking. Make no mistake about it...Beane is never done...if he sees a WR available he has shown he will go get him even in season. If this group is a problem, WR will be addressed significantly next offseason. But 2024, the defense was much more the anchor on this teams success and they went out and did something about it. And the most help they can give Josh is not consistently putting pressure on Josh and the offense to be perfect and rack the points up because the D cant get off the field on 3rd down. We will see if it works.

I agree with you on TJ Sanders, I’m really excited to see him in this defense. That being said, I don’t know that TJ Sanders would be a “surprise” per the main subject of the thread. Not only did we move up in the 2nd to get him, but he was a guy Beane said he was strongly considering taking potentially in the first if Hairston was gone to Washington the pick before us who also had him in a visit. Basically he was 2nd BPA on our board at pick 30 behind Hairston. So I don’t think him and Hairston would really count as “surprises” if they come in and make impacts as rookies which is why I didn’t list either. But as far as what you said about Sanders, I totally agree with, I think this guy is gonna be the real deal.

Not sure I can see how we could be involved in a trade for TJ at this point. Would I love TJ Watt here on a big SB push this season, certainly. But with all the guys we have now, I can't see Beane parting with the draft capital and then also the cap space to make this acquisition. I am all for finding a way to get TJ, just not really sure its something that would likely happen.

Hollins snaps are already replaced between Palmer and more snaps for Keon. Palmer is already better IMO than Davis in terms of receiving (better hands, better routes, bigger route tree, better separation) and Keon is going to be given every chance to be WR1 this year. So this isn't is he a better WR down field than Hollins (and he is, but I don't think its by as much as people think), its where does he fit in the WR room right now. Keon, Shakir, Palmer, Samuel are not going anywhere and that makes Davis essentially WR4/5 here depending on how they use Samuel and assuming they would cut Moore (if only 5 are kept). If they keep Moore, now you got Davis and Moore battling for first guy off the deep bench, unless Samuel falters and one of them over take his expected role this year. Im not against Davis coming back by any means (just don't like him as a starting WR2), he is an excellent dirty work guy and has downfield value even though his awareness, hands, and route tree are all not his strong suits. But looking at it from Davis point of view, he has no role here to be an involved WR in the passing game unless injuries were to make it possible. I don't think he is looking to go somewhere where his primary use is blocking and he gets some occassional targets as a depth WR. Places like the Steelers, Giants, and a few other teams offer more opportunities for actual targets.

IMHO he has no role here, I personally doubt we keep more than 5 WRs as it is with all the bodies we have in the secondary and DL now. So, I can’t see him coming back unless he’s willing to do it as a backup who doesn't get many snaps/targets. I would think he wants a place where he will get more opportunities than what the Bills WR room offers him right now. I wouldn't be against bringing him back as depth, but I just think he is going to prioritize a place where he can at least compete to start. I wouldn't be against bringing him back as depth, but I just think there are better opportunities for him at this point in his career. I will honestly be shocked if he isn’t a Steeler or Giant before the end of this week. They both wake way too much sense right now

Mic drop. Well played. You win the internet today sir 🤣

I get what you are saying, and I’m not against drafting WRs, as I said I was beating the Donte Thornton drum all offseason. But…I mean I think you can make a case that our room is currently cheap and talented currently. Keon is a young ascending WR who showed promise before the injury…Shakir is still probably not peaked and already a very good player who’s on a bargain of an extension. Palmer brings a lot of what we needed and didn’t break the bank…Samuel and Moore round out 4th and 5th spots fairly cheap and are guys who could start on other teams at end of our bench. The other key receiving weapons also have to be factored into the overall picture where Kincaid, also cheap and is ascending still, and we have 3 RBs who are all dangerous as pass catchers. I don’t know that adding some day 3 WR in lieu of Moore after the draft makes that room look any better on paper or “more talented” personally. It gives maybe more “upside potential” given that rookie could surprise and breakout into a better player than say some of the 5 WRs we currently have, but there is no way to know that before they step on a field. I liked Royals and thought he could be a target for us day 3, but I didn’t go into the draft or leave the draft thinking any of those WR guys were must get guys, where passing on them could be a huge mistake either. Odds are, especially in this weaker class, they aren’t going to be anything better than we already have, if even that. As with any draft, any one of them could break out and be a good to great player, but odds are not great in general before you factor in this wasn’t a great class overall. After watching embedded episode 2, it was clear the guys we took instead were all top of the board “go get” guys they loved. Doesn’t mean that 3 years from now their choices will be proven correct by any means, but it does mean they didn’t intentionally pass on any of those day 3 WRs and instead took guys who were not just the top of their board, but guys who really stuck for them. And for me, that’s all I want my GM to do, don’t reach and take the guys they graded to be the best player available. I think, and Beane has said exactly this too (and I believe him), this was just a function of where the draft was strong at and weak at. Beane isn’t done at WR, and he won’t be heading into next year either. If he sees a chance to add one that can help, he’s proven he will do it even during the season. And next year, if this group is weak this year, I think you will see Beane aggressive at adding what we need, especially after we really rebuilt our D this offseason overall. I do still wish we landed Donte Thornton though

Except literally all of this is nonsense and wreaks of your typical desperation after being wrong about something…so theres that too lmao. 🤡 show continues. Even after all this time the severity of your little man complex never ceases to amaze ✌️

I think we see more out of Bosa than I think some expect in a bit of a resurgence season for him with how deep our DL is and how the rotations will help keep him fresh and healthy. I agree on Deone Walker, I think he’s going to be rotating but will be in on some important moments come playoff time using his length with Groot and Landon to not only step up the run D, but also to wreak havoc on passing lanes all that height and length.

16th most points ever...33rd highest PPG (takes games played out of the equation) is historically great...its the literal definition of that. You want to disagree then that’s your right. But it doesn’t change the fact they are both 2 historically great numbers. Wrong again lol. Bills had BOTH the most points AND the highest PPG in the AFC Playoffs. Everything I said was a fact. You took one subjective line about the facts and made it the entirety of facts while ignoring the long list of actual facts I listed...and why...because your read the facts wrong in the first place that started this initial convo with your initial incorrect reply where you missed the fact I literally said in the AFC. It’s your typical muddy the water schtick to mask when you make mistakes like you did earlier. This has run its course ✌️

Except its not...and who cares, this is a subjective opinion. The point was, remains, and still is what I already said. Bills scored the most points in the AFC both in regular season and the post season...yet we did NOT emerge from the AFC. Meanwhile...we did give up 32 points to a team that did not score 30 the entire year and was down 34-0 at one point in their very next game. But please...lets keep carrying on splitting hairs about where the 16th highest scoring offense in NFL history subjectively falls on the all time greatest list as if that matters at all in relation the original point.

16th most points all time...that is the 16th greatest offense in NFL history in my book...Which is both subjective and an opinion, but not even remotely close to a lie. You can disagree with it and have a different opinion of the offenses historical place...but ease up on the lying accusations when this convo started because you couldn't read the post correctly

Geezus...this kid learned nothing. I mean I am sure he ordered this before his draft fall given it took time to make...but after all that has transpired from draft night, the hit his rep has taken, the embarrassment of his draft party room, etc you would think common sense would kick in and not put this on social media. Personally, if he can focus on just football I think he will win the starting job. But this kid sure is making it look more and more like he just doesn't get it. He is a 5th round pick, his roster spot is not even assured at this point. The footage of the Browns War room showed no excitement, almost a somber like atmosphere when they cut to it when they picked him.

That is interesting, and all I am going on is what its kicking out when I filtered by total points and then PPG. It has us as 16th most points and 22nd by PPG. But seems Statmuse isn't doing something consistently if its giving a different data set under a different prompt. Either way...16th most points all time, and what really matters is how that compares to teams around us currently who are all playing the same number of games we are and not scoring more points than us. I mean only 2 teams ahead of us since 2020, and one was the Lions this year. Keep in mind, Bills also tied the NFL record for most wins by 20+ in 2024 where the offense took the foot off the gas for entire quarters and some halves, plus Josh Allen sat week 17. And my original points/facts were we were the highest scoring AFC team both in reg season and postseason both in PPG and Points and 16th most points all time...offense is not why we didn't make it out of the AFC and into the SB.

I mean all the teams in the league are playing on this schedule...and we are talking about in comparison to us and the rest of the league. And there are only 2 teams since 2020 that have scored more points than the Bills did in 2024 despite all the teams during that span playing the same amount of games. And Bills by PPG are 22nd all time in 2024. Still historically great. 2024 Bills were the 22nd highest scoring team based on PPG in NFL history. So yeah...still batting .000% today sport

Yeah sorry typo...hence why I said highest scoring offense, as in points, fixed it so thanks

Oh boy...so let me see...first you dont read the post correctly and incorrectly refute what was the actual facts. But rather than just chalk that up to a misread goof, you want to still find a way to be right about something...Ok...but except...well...you're not 😬 https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/nfl-highest-scoring-offenses-by-year 16th all time. 2024 Lions were number 4 FYI...hence why Bills were #2 despite being the 16th most points all time. Bonus fun fact: Bills scored the most total points in 2024 between reg season and postseason combined, yes more than the SB Champ Eagles. Batting .000% today sport

I guess you missed the part where I said "AFC". So maybe read the posts correctly before you incorrectly refute what is the actual facts sport 😉