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Don’t lump me into the crowd that thought Moore was going to be some impact player here, cuz I’m not. But Moore provided more downfield potential than Samuel does as at least a threats. Instead he was treated like he was McKenzie, and Samuel isn’t being used like he was in Carolina either. In 5 seasons between CAR and WAS when he was starting and healthy, Samuel averaged 796 yards a season. Including as you said his best one with Brady. But we just aren’t using him much either despite Brady’s familiarity with him and his time in the offense. Point was, dividing snaps between Samuel and Moore was stupid, pick one and get them involved more. I don’t even care which one, I just felt Moore had more of a threat downfield at this point than Samuel. I hope they use Cooks now more than Samuel for same reason - but we all know it’s not gonna happen.

To simplify the Moore stuff - he wanted more targets, an effort to get him involved rather than the tiny role he had. Not unexpected, it’s the issue with Brady’s offense and I had been saying for weeks stop trying to get every guy on the bench involved, especially splitting reps between Moore and Samuel, pick one and get that guy more involved in the offense. And that guy should have been Moore over Samuel.

If you dont know if the Bills are better or not next year - then you also don't know if the opponents are either. 2024 - Prediction: Struggles. Reality - one of best seasons in Bills history. 2025 - Prediction: Easy. Reality - 4 bad losses to teams we penciled in as wins. Looking ahead really didn't seem to matter. All good, I just think it is pretty see to start making conclusions and predictions this early on a future season before we know anything that is going to happen between now and then. I mean who had the 2 conference leaders being the Pats in the AFC and the Rams in the NFC heading into week 13? Who had Ravens, Bills, Chiefs, Lions, Packers, Bengals, Commanders in week 13 either barely on the edge of the playoffs, currently out of the playoffs, or pretty much eliminated from the playoffs right now? The combined record of all those preseason contenders and SB favorites right now is: 39-37 just 2 games above .500 a SOS consider some of the best teams in the NFL coming into the season. Meanwhile teams like Seahawks (+6000), Patriots (+8000), Colts (+10,000), etc are now amongst SB contenders, division leaders, and even a conference leader (Pats) with a combined record of 26-8. Worrying or being excited about the next years schedule this early has little to no value.

I am just saying, on this roster WR5 is like 9th on the peking order of weapons. Expecting a team with a tight cap to fill in that spot with anything other than available players like a Moore is a bit unreasonable and unrealistic. Just because we failed to use him here, like we fail to use Samuel as well, doesn't mean he isn't good enough to be WR5. And its already come out that Moore wanted to be released as he wanted more opportunities. Look at Samuel - in his 5 seasons starting for CAR and WAS averaged 796 yards a season. Yet he remains nothing here in this offense with Brady despite his single best season was with Brady in CAR. Diggs fell off a cliff production wise despite still seeing high targets under Brady, so much so that Shakir put up more yards on half the targets as Diggs. At some point, people need to realize its more than offense than the player here. I am not defending Moore as if he is some pro-bowler getting shafted, I am saying for a position that is essentially not only last in line at WR, but like 8th or 9th in line in usage on this team of weapons you are not going to find much more invested into the position than we did. In fact, most teams guys at the end of their weapons list are a lot worse than Moore.

Again, what teams fills WR5 with expensive contracts or high picks? WR5 is pretty much always filled by every team with developmental rookies or inexpensive and available free agents. So, we filled the WR5 spot with exactly the kind of player you fill a WR5 spot with, who in reality is like the 8th or 9th target on this team when you factor in Kincaid, Cook, Ty, and even Knox. So I am not sure what you expect a GM to do, spend, or use on the 9th player in the offensive peking order.

You and I are debating different things. You want to debate the SOS of last year and I am saying it doesn't matter what the perceived SOS is. And everyones optimism on the season CHANGED last year AFTER Diggs was traded and we drafted Keon and signed Mack. Everyone expected a REGRESSION last year going into the season...then we had the best offensive season in Bills history, still dominated our division and got on the door step of the SB until the refs flipped the game by 11-15 points in the 4th quarter stealing a first down from us, not once, but twice on the same series that took at least 3 points off our board, if not more, and gave KC 8 points instead. So again, last year we were supposed to struggle and we excelled. This year you say our schedule was supposed to be a cake walk and we have blown 4 games to bad teams. What value does guessing at our SOS have right now for next year? Seems like not much. And for record, I just said its pointless to get too up or down on the upcoming schedule this early. Its fine to look ahead, but I am more talking about the people who make too much out of it in the first place.

Important role? He was WR5, not sure I’d call that an important role. I mean that’s what you usually fill bottom of the bench spots with, guys who are still available or developmental draft picks which are all cheap.

I mean you are more making my point than anything. Looking ahead and penciling in those wins was pretty pointless given we lost those games. All good, agree to disagree on the looking ahead way too early thing

All good, I just remember arguing with people about the schedule last year who were freaking out about the how we had all the top SB contenders on our schedule. Point was, which has now been lost, is that it’s pointless to look so far ahead in the NFL at the schedule. Teams can change so much year to year in this league. I mean look at our 4 losses - no one had us losing 4 games to those teams, but there we are. Who had Bears as leading the division right now without key injuries in Det and GB? Not many had Rams as top team in NFL right now either. And no one could have seen KC, Balt, and Buf all battling to get back into the playoff picture this late in the season. Anyway, the entire point was it’s unnecessary to get up or down on the schedule next at this stage of the season.

He’s likely not getting released until the offseason

Yet that’s not what people were saying last year

I have said many times here now that I was a supporter in what Brady was doing coming into this season but have not been impressed or liked what I have seen from Brady this year, literally starting in week 1. In this season, I have been hyper critical of Brady, his predictability, inability to adjust, how he has used personnel, and how poor many of his decisions have been in important moments in games this year. I love the "Everybody Eats" philosophy where its not about force feeding someone like Diggs and about Josh making the better and smarter decisions with the ball and taking what is there. Where anyone on any play can get the ball. BUT - what I don't like, and what I said in the post you are responding to was that Brady this year has tried to force this to where I see lesser players getting too many snaps or him dividing limited snaps between Samuel and Moore. Running guys to clear out so we can target a 3rd, 4th, or 5th string player or check down. For example - I dont want to see Cook getting little to no targets so our bottom of the bench or deep bench WR's and TE's can get snaps and touches.

They remind me of the Dick Juaron Bears that over achieved and got DJ a COY award. They may be currently atop their division, but I still think they are the 3rd best team in their own division.

You disagree? You think we should literally try and get every offensive skill player on the active 53 man touches?

Brady. But we either win the SB or everyone should get fired - thats my stance at this point.

OMG I can see Brady now trying to get 12 guys to catch a pass every game filling the field with backups just to do so. I love the everbody eats mantra, and I think that is good smart football. But as a MANTRA - not a literal thing you try and force feed. It does not, or at least should not, mean that literally everyone on the roster is getting to participate like this is a pop warner league and every one gets playing time. What it needs to be and mean, is that you don't prioritize forcing the ball to one guy like we did with Diggs at times, it means take the easy throw regardless to who it is. Take what the defense is giving you. Brady seems hell bent on getting everyone up and down the bench involved, and you can see this narrative being forced in games. Your best players still should be the primary options, not decoys to throw to deep bench guys. Brady has lost his way, swallowed the everybody eats hype to deep, and now cant seem to coach himself out of a brown paper bag as a result.

Gotcha - Well DK wasn't really pennies, it was not only high draft pick but as over pay and insane contract he isn't worth. No argument from me that he would be the best WR on the team on the outside, but I don't think that he is worth what he cost the Steelers. They would have been better off keeping Pickens actually. And yes, Pickens now looks like a value based on how he is playing now in Dallas, but a 3rd and 5th isn't really pennies when you are talking about a guy who had multiple disciplinary issues with the Steelers that included being late to games, missing meetings, lack of effort on the field when not getting the ball, unsportsmanlike penalties that cost the Steelers wins at end of games, etc. Lets be real, they needed Pickens as bas as anyone and still got rid of him. Would I personally have taken a chance on Pickens - yes...but I also get why a lot of teams shied away as his production had not been what it is now and he had a lot of issues, which Pickens himself admitted were a problem and lack of maturity. A 3rd and a 5th is not pennies for a player who had shown flashes but not been consistent and been a bad locker room guy and teammate. Its always easier to look back and reevaluate using hindsight though. I want to see the WR room improve as much as anyone, but lost in the context of that want is that there have not really been great opportunities to do so since we traded Diggs. Options to do so have been thin and Beane tried with Cooper last year and again at the trade deadline this year to get a real WR1 outside threat. Cooper didnt have the fire anymore and lost a step, and no one we went after at the deadline this year got moved. All that being said, I think the bigger issues are the OC, our defensive scheme, some of the decisions on other roster positions, etc. So as far as I am concerned, its win the SB this year or fire everyone.

This is where I am at. I like that we picked up another guy with speed...but we dont use the guys we have properly, and 2 of them have 4.35 or faster speed. As someone who was a Brady supporter coming into the season he has completely lost me. Much like how Daboll eventually lost me too when he was here after being on his wagon early on. What difference makers got traded for pennies? No difference makers got traded at the deadline.

Follow up bonus - For those that love that scene or just watched it for the first time and liked it - here is a hilarious Christmas recreation of it on SNL with Alec Baldwin.

People thought our schedule was going to be brutal this year at this stage last season. Then we found out its pretty cake - except we are blowing it as its us that is playing like dog 💩 and taking losses in games we should clearly win. So it is really hard to see if the schedule is hard or not hard this far out. So I don't waste too much time thinking about it. No one on that schedule scares me if we are playing good football. What scares me is we are not playing good football.

Here is where I am at: Consider me "Blake" (Alec Baldwin) in the movie Glengarry Glen Ross - every one is fired in my mind as of now and they have one shot to win their jobs back and that is find a way to win the Super Bowl this year. (Link Below to one of the best openings in movie history and one of the best on screen speeches in movie history if you are not familiar with it). Rams won the SB when they were not really the best team in the NFL. Any team can get hot in the post season, have some things go their way, and get the job done. McD and Beane have done some great things for this franchise, and I still think McD is a good football coach and Beane is still a good GM. But at some point a change is needed, you can't keep doing the same things and expecting different results. My bigger concern is watching Josh Allen regress this year. Is it a sign that some of his super hero traits are slowing down after such a physical career? Or is it more a function of the team/coaching around him this year? We don't really know, he could have 1-2 years of elite play left or 6-8...but what I do know is now is that I am not willing to gamble whatever elite years he has left on a system and regime that hasn't been able to get over the hump yet with maybe the most gifted QB to ever play. As Alec Baldwin says here - "The good news is you are all fired. The bad news is you all have 1 week to earn your jobs back starting with tonights sit." This is where I am at right now - mentally they are all fired with one chance to win their jobs back and that is win the SB this season. Scene link below - highly recommend watching it whether you have seen it not just because its really just an all time great movie scene.

All I know is I want Brian Flores as our next HC. He was the best HC Miami had since Shula who got more out of his rosters than most do. Pair him with an innovative OC and pick his DC. He got such a raw deal in Miami its stunning he isn't a HC again already. I would also be open to BB and McDaniels combo - not sure McDaniels leaves NE for anyone but BB at this point, if he would even do that given the upstart Pats and young stud QB.

To be fair, it more often than not does implode. There are not many examples of it working and resulting in a Lombardi trophy, but lots of examples of if not working or even becoming a long term disaster. And it looked like it was headed for an implosion in LA too, but they were able to make some moves and hit on some picks that changed that course pretty fast. Bills are one of those teams that better be trying to go all in this offseason if we don't get there this year. This team has been too close, go get the difference makers, and get it done.

That was before ICE showed up

Worst part is that the Rams being this good and loaded with cap space and extra picks is being wasted on a city that barely shows up for their games though lol. But damn, they really set themselves up well for the future. Too bad its being wasted though on a city who doesn't appreciate it. Its early, but not sure this is the draft class to be hunting for a life after Stafford QB...if I am the Rams, I am probably looking to move one of those first for a future first rounder in a deeper QB class.