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Our WRs did clutch up though. Multiple times on the final series we had receivers wide open for first downs and Allen did not get them the ball. For example, Samuel has an easy first down but Allen has his pass knocked down at LOS. Even on the 4th down, Shakir was wide open to the left for an easy first down but Allen cheated the protection to the wrong side when we were fooled by the blitz putting people in Allen’s face off the snap untouched. Additionally, Kincaid was also running wide open for a 30-40 yard gain had Allen had time to throw on same play. Instead he heaved a sky high prayer ball and Kincaid on bad knees had to stop and come back to it and try and make the catch. Now I will say you want to see Kincaid catch that, but it was not easy and harder when he’s doing it on bad knees. Point is, our WRs didn’t fail Allen in the last series, they got open and Allen wasn’t able to get them the ball for various reasons. I do agree with most of this though.

Honestly, not really. Who makes those decisions? Coaches or Beane? So no, I don’t think that makes me think Duke type WRs are Beanes “affinity” because Duke worked his way via the coaches into some playing time.

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Im convinced it doesn’t matter. Shakir is one of the best slot guys in the NFL and every HC would tell you the same. So what is the point of drafting a 3rd slot WR when we had no one for the outside? And when you don’t have the luxury of hindsight to make that decision at that moment in the draft either? Again, if anyone wants to gripe about last year, it should be not trying to trade up for BTJ. Ladd wasn’t the missed opportunity, that was, and it’s not close.

Shakir is one of the best slot guys in the NFL right now…so you’re philosophy was to just get rid of our best WR and replace him with a rookie still leaving the same holes elsewhere in the WR room? When we drafted Keon our WR was small too. So last year it would have been 3 slot WRs and Mack Hollins just to let Shakir walk this year so you can say we drafted Ladd? No disrespect, but I’m not sure how that makes any sense. The move last year was instead of looking to make a small trade back to recoup the 3rd we lost on Rasul, it should have been to try and make the small move up to get BTJ. If anyone wants to complain THAT is the complaint or second guess. Not Ladd, not Worthy. But last year we had massive dead cap, we had a ton of veteran turnover. It was supposed to be a mini retool year to clean the cap and age out our older guys. Which he did, so I get why he preferred trading back whether it proves to be right or wrong decision. We needed to add people to the roster. And on top of that, our WR room isn’t the group it is because of Shakirs contract which is a bargain for him. And Cook is playing still here his year, doesn’t mean we won’t or can’t still resign him. Beane has already said they will resume talks later this year after halting heading into the draft.

Do we? Keon, Shakir, Palmer, Samuel, Moore are our projected top 5. And all 5 would, or at least compete to, start on other teams right now. So, unless one of them surprises and isn’t on the roster week 1 then I don’t think we have any open spots because I doubt we keep more than 5 unless we keep one for ST, and if that is the case it will almost certainly be Shenault. So I’m not sure why people think we have a spot to fill.

I’ve watched pretty much every game Purdy has ever played in the NFL as my wife is a die hard Niners fan. 2 things I’m confident in. 1. Many people in this thread have not watched him play a lot and seem to have a lot of strong opinions based on preconceived assumptions. 2. He’s better than many are giving him credit for. Will he live up to the contract? We will see, but it’s not as egregious as it’s being made out to be IMHO.

No disrespect…But that really isn’t a fair list to show he has an affinity or type IMHO. Only Gabe and Keon were drafted to be potential long term starters and were when we had no size in the WR room. Mack was a bandaid to fill dirty work for the void Gabe left in a season we had $31M dead cap at WR alone. Holmes was a ST player, Duke was a CFL nothing invested PS player, so was Shorter. And KB was added midseason of a year we weren’t supposed to make the playoffs when we suddenly had a chance to break the drought. And there were no other WRs traded, so it’s not like he had his pick and chose KB. Almost all the actual relevant WRs to play real minutes here were smaller. We had John Brown…then he invested a first and a 4th in Diggs and gave him big money multiple times. He added guys like Sanders, Samuel, and Shakir to play outside or mix in some outside. Not to mention the rest of our WR room had guys like Cole, McKenzie, Crowder, Harty, etc. So no offense, but I don’t think his type is what you think it is. Yes went after size and toughness when Gabe left because all we had was a small WR room. We use blocking at the WR position a lot, and it’s one of the reasons we originally drafted Gabe because we had no size. Just like Keon, we had no size. It’s not a “type” it was a hole in the roster when we added Mack/Keon last year and Gabe before them. Our WR room was known as midgets prior to Gabe getting here even. Beane does have a type though IMHO…his type is, and has been, balance. Right or wrong, that’s his real type IMO. And he has added some influence and second layer into his type lately too which is toughness as we were not physical enough across the table, not just at WR. And I personally think last year was Allen’s best year playing QB, not the years throwing to small WRs and having the most turnovers in the NFL days. Again, just my opinion, but I think more people believe 2024 was his best season than don’t. Im personally excited to see what year 2 of Brady’s offense brings and how this team comes together.

Does Coleman need to improve? Yup, no question. But: On a more optimistic note instead of just recycling the same WR and Coleman rants all the time… When he got hurt week 11 he was on pace for 800-900 yards and 7+ TDs. And to add more context to that, that is with: 1 - Being a rookie 2 - Splitting reps and time 3 - Playing on an offense that saw its QB spread the ball around hitting 9-10 different targets that also ran the ball a lot. 4 - Played on an offense where due to blow out wins took the pedal off the gas for whole quarters and some halves and stopped forcing the air attack 5 - Missed the first quarter of a blow out win where the offense ran clock second half meaning he played like one or two series and caught his lone target for a long TD 6 - Was used as a blocker a lot because he was punishing people as a blocker, a major reason we didn’t try and bring Mack back. Yes he has work to do…no doubt. But some of you I think are MORE invested in him failing or validating your doubts than actually looking for positives to whether he can be a good player for us. And if you want to know the real issue…I think he is playing out of position and should play the Z and let Palmer play the X. And if we do that, and I think we might, don’t be surprised to see Keon prove some people wrong. It’s like if people don’t think he can be a top 5 WR1 he is automatically trash and a whipping boy. He can be a good player for us, even if it ultimately means it’s as a WR2 at some point. And this is coming from me who told everyone (and a lot of people argued) that Ladd McConkey was going to be one the best WRs in this draft and I had him as WR5 behind Nabers, Harrison, Odunze, and BTJ. I even said I don’t know we will take him for what they are looking for but I was terrified KC or Ravens would land him. I loved Ladd coming out…but let’s not condemn Keon for not being Ladd and just constantly pile on him before he’s stepped on the field for his second year yet. He’s a Bill…he loves it here…and Josh has publicly said Keon has been hitting him up all offseason on getting better. So he seems to be putting in the work. But man…the WR rants have been beaten to death around here. Like what more needs to even be said at this point?

I dont disagree that some guys can just fall off a cliff, but in a lot of those cases I have gone back and noticed their back end of the previous season was tailing off form their first half of the previous season. Its not an exact science by any measure, and its not always going to be the case, but more to the point Henry showed zilch in terms of slowing down. Even if he was in his prime still, I think it would be foolish to expect another 1900 yard season, those just don't happen very often. But if there is any back capable of 1200-1500 yard seasons still in that Ravens offense at ages 32 and 33 its this guy. He is on another level physically and few have the kind of off season regimen that he does, or even capable of what he does. That being said...I also wouldn't at all be surprised to see a 32 year old RB slow down, its a pretty common wall. Just saying, if there is a RB to bet on to still get a couple highly productive seasons at this age its him. The problem with that comparison though is that Rasul and Henry are not in the same league as a player, physically, or how their offseason regimen to take care of their bodies. Most RB's will fall off a cliff at this age, you don't have to convince me of that or find examples, there are many. The point was if anyone can buck that trend its Henry.

Im not as down on Bernard as some seem to be, but if there is a question/case to be made about his contract, it is would the money have benefited the Bills more being spent on Cook. And regardless of anyones opinion on Bernard or what to pay Cook, that is a legit discussion.

Usually there are signs the previous season though where you see guys maybe still have a good season total, but they were doing much more the first half than the 2nd half of the seaosn. Look at Cooper for example who still remains unsigned. But Derrick Henry rushed for 138 or more yards in 4 of his last 6 games of the season, including the final 3. Father time is undefeated, but he does lose some rounds from time to time...and if anyone can take few more rounds from Father Time its that beast Henry. And in that offense I think its plausible he will still be a problem for everyone else for another couple seasons personally.

Testament to our divisional foes being a hot mess most seasons

Wow people actually thought that was staged lol

I think some people forget this is still football and you still try and make plays and hits...and sometimes people get hurt. But that doesn't mean it was cheap or intentional either.

Oh don't get me wrong...I would LOVVVVVE Bowers, I loved him coming out. I just meant, our offense under Brady isn't focused on featuring players in the same way and I think that would be the same even if Bowers was here. He would definitely get more targets and do better than Kincaid would, he is the better player. Just meant I don't think he gets as many targets though as he got in Vegas as "the guy" there.

What are you talking about? Maybe you should sroll back…You literally specifically brought Bowers up to me when I reminded you Kincaid had a pretty good rookie season. You can’t even keep your rants straight now apparently. Plus, you are back to just completely over looking he was hurt, missed games, and played hurt most the 2024 season again. You need to go outside and get some sun or something dude. You’ve just been rage posting for months and now just want to piss and moan about Kincaid the way you’ve been beating that WR dead horse all offseason.

Keon was on pace for 800-900 yards as a rookie and 7+ TDs through week 11 when he got hurt. And further context: -He was a rookie -He was splitting time during that span -He played in a spread the ball around offense -Bills took the foot off the gas for whole quarters and some halves in blowout wins in those first 11 games. So while he didn’t find his groove again after the injury, he showed a lot of promise before and that is why they are still confident in him going into this year. And McD and Beane have proven multiple times to not just stick with a guy because of his draft status. Look at Elam, he was inactive or didn’t see the field most games here. Keon showed enough in those 11 games to still have their belief in him. He still has to come out and prove their confidence correct and show he will take that step forward, but his starting this year is not just because of his draft status.

LMAO - so your baseline expectation is the greatest rookie season TE maybe ever? Got it. Bowers is a generational talent, and for his stats it sure helps that he also plays on a team without a lot of other weapons so he gets featured. And in Daltons second year he missed games and played hurt. You're just being ridiculous at this point. Dalton has plenty to prove still, but you’re again being way over the top dramatic to just be dramatic. FYI: Prepare to remain disappointed. Not only will Kincaid not put those numbers up here for a season, no TE will in this system because we spread the ball around. Bowers himself would not get enough targets to replicate those numbers here.

10th most yards for a rookie TE in NFL history...did you miss that part too?

In case people forgot: Kincaid as a rookie had the 4th most receptions by a rookie TE in history and 10th most yards. Season 2 he missed some games, played hurt and battled knee issues. I think he has a lot to prove this year for sure, but also think the doom patrol circling him like vultures is a bit much at this stage.

I agree with you...Diggs in 2023 is the most talented individual player between the two WR rooms, even if thats not peak Diggs. No dispute from me...but its what "group" is better, and 2023 Diggs isn't so good that it elevates that lesser whole room to be better than the 5 collective guys we have today IMO. Now add in how his impact fell off in Brady's system, the overall drama and dark cloud he brought to the team, and the impact having him or not having him has on Josh's game and it really diminishes his "value' in how I would look at it. So for me IMHO, the 2025 group as a whole is a better unit, will get better results, and will give us the best chance to win a SB over the 2023 group if it was all here today exactly as it was in 2023.

I was yelling for 2 rounds to take Wilson...when we traded up I thought 100% it had to be for Wilson. Part of my soul died when I heard TJ Graham's name called and I was like who Da F is that?

Totally fair question and good question - If you are going to pick what WR between the 2 years is the most accomplished or best overall player, the only correct answer is Diggs. But these are the considerations that also factor in: This is a 5 vs 5 comparison, not which of the 2 groups had the single most talented player. Talent is only part of the equation, its about how does that fit in within the offense we run. Diggs not only was no where near the same player in Brady's offense he had been during his tenure in Buffalo, but he wasn't even the leading receiver (Shakir was) during that period despite double the targets of anyone else under Brady. Josh I fully believe is better without him than with him and the tension he brings. Was Diggs still a strong WR1 in 2023, yes of course. Was he as good as he had been his first 2 years in Buffalo where he was a top 5 WR in the NFL, not IMO. Was he as good as he was in 2022...maybe, but he didn't look like it the 2nd half of 2023 in Brady's system and had costly drops, including one that could changed the outcome of the KC game on a dime bomb from Allen. And honestly I thought he faded some the 2nd half of 2022 and postseason too under Dorsey. I was a big Diggs guy, my dogs name is Diggs. This isn't to throw shade at him. I was even one of the ones (who was totally wrong) and put his foot in his mouth and thought there was no chance Beane would take the massive cap hit to move him when we did and thought he would instead do it in 2024 if things remained tense with him and Allen/Team. But make no mistake about it, I was also very confident that we got better as a team and offense through addition by subtraction when we moved on from Diggs drama and let Gabe leave. And if you check my 2023 offseason history, you will see that wasn't just hindsight, I was very vocal about that belief. During the season in 2023, I started threads demanding things like calling for Dorsey to get fired, less snaps for Gabe and more for Shakir, etc. In the offseason, I started the Calling it now thread on Shakir the day after Diggs was traded, kept telling everyone Mack Hollins is better than people think and will have a real role in the offense, that the offense would still be top 5 in the NFL, we might see Josh Allens most efficient and best season, and that it would maybe be Allens best shot at MVP when he does given the perceptions heading into the season about the WR room. I said all those things a lot all offseason. So while I know Diggs is the best "individual", I don't think just having him in the WR room makes it the best group for this offense and Allen. Nor do I think the 2023 version of Diggs is talented enough to erase the deficit I think the rest of the 2023 group faces in comparison to the 2025 group. Just my 2 cents

I don't know what made me more sad...remembering that the unqualified joke of a FO back then brought in dying corpses like Young, Bush, and Leinart during their career farewell tours or the reminder we took Whitner over Ngata. I feel like I need a shower just thinking about this grossness lol