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I mean his career average is almost 15 ypc, so not sure why its not that realistic. And TB isn't a great Secondary, so he can easily get a 20+ yard catch in this game. With both Kincaid and Palmer out, I think he gets a little more deeper looks than some of the short stuff they throw him on check downs this game.

Love the optimism but I don't that is very realistic the way we use him. A more realistic optimistic stat line might be more like 5 rec, 77 yards, and a TD. My expectation - 3 rec, 48 yards, 0 TDs. I think this is going to be a big Cook game. Down Palmer and Kincaid, I have a hard time seeing Brady looking to dial up the passing game unfortunately. A guy I do like streaming this week in DFS is Shakir though. I think Shakir ends up with like 7-8 catches, 80-100 yards and a TD.

Gruden? I don't get the infatuation with this guy. He was fired in TB because he lost the locker room. Him and his bone head GM made god awful decisions and choices in his last stint with the Raiders, and he hasn't had very many double digit win seasons. Im a hard pass on Gruden. A guy who would be very high on my list and very realistic if a change was ever made is: Brian Flores. This guy got more out of his rosters than most, he knows defense (our biggest achiles heal in the playoff losses), and is just a great coach in my eyes. Higher the right OC to pair with him, and this is the kind of coach that could really impact this team. I don't want to hear about "he is a defensive HC" nonsense, so is Vrabel and he is again killing it as a HC. And quite honestly, we are the best in the NFL since Josh arrived at scoring points, we suck at preventing points in the post season though. Also, I would be up for Belichick if he can also lure McDaniels to join him here.

Ive been saying for weeks, they need to pick ONE of Samuel or Moore to focus on getting regularly involved in the passing game. And I always felt that guy was Moore as I think he has a higher ceiling as a downfield WR/Threat. With Palmer out, its mind blowing they didn't focus on getting Moore and Keon more consistently involved in the offense. Like run plays designed to get them open and the ball. Put them in their best positions to succeed out there and make an effort to make them part of the game plan. Keon is Mack Hollins 2.0 right now, where he is heavily used as a blocker when we need more from him as a receiver. I have yet to see a game plan where it was like lets move Keon around and get him going like Atlanta or Indy does with guys like London and Pittman who are also not burners. And Moore is the new McKenzie right now, they use him as a gadget guy and not really someone they seem to try and work into the passing game enough. I just want to see Brady use the tools he has better and smarter. Cook is under utilized as a receiver as well.

Allen has played poorly in several games this year, including Atl, NE, and Mia - all losses.

No disrespect, but since when do "season" stats indicate his level of play in a specific game? 3rd and 10 - if Allen throws a 4 yard completion resulting in us punting, the stat sheet will show a completion, what it wont show is the wide open guy 12 yards down field he did not throw to that would have converted a first down. I am not using a specific example, I am showing one of a hundred ways just looking at some season stats doesn't show the issues. Stat sheet doesnt show when he has bailed on a clean pocket, doesn't show when he made a poor decision, doesn't show when he had someone open he didn't see, doesn't show how bad of a decision the INT was or throw it was, etc etc. So no disrespect, and I get where you are coming from, but there is nothing on the stat sheet to refute how poorly Allen played against Miami and in patches in all 3 of our losses.

I honestly don't know, and never considered that as I have never broken my nose, so not sure what the effects could be. My guess is that doesn't seem like something that would still be lingering, but I don't really have any frame of reference for that, just me guessing.

Well said 👏

Maybe you are tired of having this same discussions with others, because I don't recall us directly talking about Allens poor play, because quite frankly Allen hasn't had a game like Miami in a very long time. But it is interesting that you went this route when pressed to face facts. There is no need for me to put you on ignore though, not sure I have ever done that and certainly never done that over a difference of opinion. That being said, there is no value in discussing this further either, so we can move on.

Lol - that is what I mean, you refuse to accept that Allen could ever just have a bad game. So much so, your rebuttal to how bad Allen played against Miami is to go look at SEASON stats and not just discuss the bad game he actually played Sunday. Not to mention you want to hide in those season stats and avoid the actual analysis and film study of the games where he played poorly. And make no mistake about it, he didn't play well in all 3 losses, but he was especially bad against Miami.

Its wild how incapable you are at being unbiased on any discussion about Allen. You know its ok to love Allen, think he is the best player in the NFL, etc and still also be honest about how he is playing right? Because Allen is my favorite player all time and I think he is already one of the greatest to ever do it and a first ballot HOFer - But I can believe all that and also still acknowledge he was dog 💩 Sunday against Miami, as were a lot of people on the field and in the booth (Brady) Sunday.

I will say this - the first loss was our fault, they didn't out play us, we shot ourselves in the foot. Allen left a lot of offense on the field, Brady didn't call a good game, and execution was just not there. Had we played to what this offense is capable of, we win that game by multiple scores. And after KC, my expectation was to win the next one by multiple scores. But now, NE feels like they are gaining momentum and confidence and Buffalo is Jeckyl and Hyde this year. One thing for sure is Maye is playing at a very high level and they are well coached. I still think they are light on talent so they are still a bit overrated, but that is a team that reminds me of the Lions that were coming up under Dan Campbell to where they were on the doorstep of being a legit SB contender. If NE drafts well this year and makes some good moves in FA, we are going to be in a real battle for the foreseeable future with them for the division. Meanwhile, too many times our team has looked like a rudderless ship out there on both sides of the ball. The defense has been better with McD taking over the play calling, even though it had some gaffs late against Miami, it more than did enough to win that game through most of the game despite all the pressure put on them by a putrid showing by Allen and the offense. My biggest concern is how Allens pocket presence, vision, decision making, and footwork have all been key issues in our losses. I think a lot of that has to do with Brady, Allen doesn't seem comfortable when the game plan is not working or executing. It almost feels like there are 2 sides of Josh tugging at itself when the offense is sputtering. Like a part of him that wants to stay on script and another that is trying to go into superman mode, and the battle is affecting his comfort. Just a thought, but it feels that way at times this season. Allen is obviously elite, so I have confidence he will get right. But my bigger concern is Brady, can he make the adjustments to figure this out and help Allen reset a bit and get back to being comfortable and confident back there.

Josh Allen is quite frankly not playing well. His mechanics, foot work, pocket presence, and vision have all been a mess. What too many people here do is throw their hands up and say "Its the WR's" - and they do that under an assumption rather than actual film study/review. They think Allen is so good that his issues can't possibly be his fault, that it must be who the personnel is. And no one is disagreeing with wanting a top end WR1. But, that does not get to just be a convenient excuse to gloss over and ignore the bigger issues around Allen, Brady, the OL, execution, self inflicted mistakes, bad turnovers, etc.

But wait, how could this be...Allen is infallible and its all the WR's fault per TSW.

All good, we don’t have to agree on everything obviously. But if he’s getting rocked that doesn’t mean he didn’t catch the pass. And no disrespect, but he would have gotten tackled not rocked IMHO. Positive yards is better than no yards. And it’s one of several plays Allen missed on, not just this one in a game where he was again off target, had poor mechanics, and poor pocket presence issues throughout.

Thank you, got mine

Im not sure what you are looking at, he is clearly running at an angle on this route. Its an inside slant, look at where he makes the cut (31) and look at where he is running to, the 34-35. This is not a crosser, he is not running parallel to the LOS, and the QB is supposed to lead the WR upfield on this throw. And even if he got less than 5-6 yards, there is no argument that makes throwing the ball away leaving 3rd and 10 is the better choice over taking 2-4 yards and giving yourself a more manageable 3rd down anyway. But either way, that would have been a 5-6 yard gain regardless. And I respectfully disagree, those are standard throws any franchise QB is expected to make. If those throws are "miraculous" then you aren't a franchise QB and you aren't worth a quarter of a billion dollars.

What is funny to me is you don't even realize you just shut down any criticism you have ever had of any player, coach, GM etc in the history of being on TSW - because how could you ever know better or know more than who you are criticizing - those are your literal words here. And considering you are pretty much negative year round, that would make almost every post you have ever made irrelevant based on your own words here. So if someone criticizes Brady, Beane, McD, Allen, etc - how could they know better than them right...unless of course it fits your own opinion or bias, then it's spot on right? lmao But hey, thanks for making it clear that you think the coaches, Beane, Allen, etc are flawless and that you will never criticize any of them ever again, because how could you ever know better than them right. I mean that is the literal meaning of what you just wrote.

LOL - using a freeze frame now to frame a narrative. So its seems the disconnect is that you don't actually understand what you are looking at then. If you actually understood ball placement...this with this route, Keon's angle and where the defenders are, you would know that this ball is going to easily be caught at the 35. Anywhere else would be poor ball placement by Allen and a QB mistake.

These are standard NFL throws, I don't know why you care calling the "miraculous". Any quality starter can and should hit these throws every week, and needs to do so consistently. Allen never has had good touch downfield. He either cannons it on a rope where he can over shoot or just miss...or when he tries to put touch he under throws it so its defended/intercepted, or when its caught the receiver can't advance the ball. It is literally his most well known weakness in his game. Allens best down field throw is when he has a guy wide open or a clear shot to him, usually on a scramble drill where he can just rip a liner right to him or he can lob the ball over and even though it takes a while to get there the receiver can still make the catch. He is not a guy who shows touch. This whole season, his back shoulder attempts to Keon have mostly been poor throws, these passes here were poor throws. The one that should go to the inside, Keon does stumble, but still beats his defender and any ball inside Keon not only has him beat, but even if the ball is not thrown well, as long as its inside Keon has the position to box out and maybe even draw the PI. Throwing it outside was either a critical mistake, or he tried to go inside and just threw a poor pass. The other one all he has to do is put some air on the ball and get it out in front. Instead josh shows the lack of touch and awareness and throws a liner instead. NOW - That doesn't excuse Keon for the mistakes he ALSO made on these routes. The one that should have went inside he stumbled, but still managed to win his route. But he has to get cleaner releases to consistently get open in the NFL, he has to be better with his feet. On the one Josh threw the liner, Keon also let up some on that route for some reason, he needs to run that route crisp to consistently win on those. In both cases he still got open, but I still want to see both those routes run better and cleaner from Keon too, so he doesn't just get a pass here even though he got open both times.

Geezus dude, taker you Haterade glasses off for one second. If you cant see how thats easily a 5-6 yard gain min on completion then I don't think you are capable of having any type of rational discussion or just don't know what you are looking at. Keon is at the 35 where the ball would have been completed and can turn up field for another yard or 2 easily on the catch. Its like you have no idea where that pass would be thrown on that route. Lets move on, you have no interest in logic, facts or reason. You only have a full blown agenda against Keon. Everyone and their mom knows this is a mistake by Allen to not take the yards and at the very least set up a 3rd and short instead of 3rd and 10. The fact you are arguing against it is one of the most absurd things I have seen this year. There is not point in discussing football with people only interested in a crusade.

It was 100% the mistake to not take 6 yards on 2nd and ten. The fact you’re even debating it says you’re not gonna be objective in any conversation about this

No disrespect, but even when you are shown clear facts you always down play or disregard them if the facts don't match your bias. You can't even admit that this was a clear mistake by Allen. It was 100% a mistake, and a bunch of other TSW people I was chatting with live in the game off site and I were all screaming at Allen for not throwing this pass when it happened. You know it is possible Allen can make mistakes too right and you can still be able to dislike Coleman.

Tell me you are not open to unbiased dialogue on the subject without flat out saying you are not open to unbiased dialogue on the subject.

With Keon, the targets they are giving him are too much out of the misuse of him, like the over reliance on running Keon downfield for 50/50 balls. And IMHO, Keon, Shakir, and Kincaid should see more consistent targets. Spot on