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Agreed and quite honestly, I would rather see the targets that were going to Mack (blocking & dirty work specialist) and the Ghost of Cooper go to guys like Keon, Kincaid, Shakir, Palmer, and now Moore, not to mention Knox and RB's...anyway. To me, the weapons are better this year heading into the season (Palmer, Moore plus Keon/Samuel/Kincaid now healthy, and Keon having a year of experience) than where we were when we last saw the Bills walking off the field.

All good, and look, let me be clear about one thing, I would never be upset about adding to our WR room. I was pounding the drum hard all offseason for Donte Thornton at 6'5", 4.3 speed, and what I felt was untapped potential to be more than the deep threat he has kind of been a 1 dimension guy at in college, all be it great at that one dimension. He filled a gap for us even if just 1 dimensional with elite size/speed combo as a vertical guy, and his story and character are pretty incredible and very Bills like type person. But - there was no denying that defense was by far our biggest issue in all our playoff exits, especially this year...and this draft was really deep and good in areas of need on D while fairly light and week at WR. Donte also went a pick before we picked and wasn't an option when we were on the clock. I apologize if I lumped you into the irrational crowd, I don't think your takes here are irrational. But there are people here who are grossly over exaggerating the situation because they do care more about how we score and function as an offense than they do the actual results of the offense. They won't be happy until its a Madden style air it out offense, even though that isn't Allens strong suit.

Because you seem to care more about "how" we score and "who" scores rather than if we score. Scoreboards don't decipher between length of receiving TD or was it a rushing TD and deduct points when they aren't some big play to a WR. Points are points. We are the best in the NFL at scoring points. To whine about how or who is scoring points is like being rich and b****ing about how you made the money. Meanwhile: Burrow - Chase - Higgins didn't make the playoffs...again. Hill and Waddle have helped Miami do what? They missed the playoffs last year and best they have ever done is be the 6th seed and one and done in the postseason. I will take perennial SB contender and most points scored in the NFL 100% of the time over the fantasy football teams Bengals and Miami tried to build and didn't work.

You mean week 4? You know the Ravens lost to the Raiders in week 2 right and also lost to the Browns in week 8? So week 4 isn't very relevant now is it. Teams lose games, its why only 2 teams in NFL history ever went undefeaed in the regular season, and one was when they played far the less games, and the other had the greatest offense in NFL history at that time and got shut down by defense in the SB and lost to Eli Manning. But who finished with the higher seed and won the divisional round to advance to the AFCCG? HINT: Not the Ravens. What I get sick of is people grossly over exaggerating and flat out making up things to support your hysteria. I can't imagine what its like to have so much angst over something the Bills are the best in the NFL at, not just last year, but over the past 5 seasons - scoring points - most in the NFL. You are literally polluting the board with hysteria in regards to: 16th best offense in NFL history #1 offense in Bills history Highest scoring team in the AFC regular season Highest scoring team in the AFC postseason NFL record for most games won by 20+ points 8 straight games of 30+ points NFL MVP led offense Most points scored in the NFL over the past 5 years Fewest turnovers of Allens career and arguably his most efficient and best season And season ended losing by 3 and allowing 32 points to a team who did not break 30 in any other game that season, including the postseason. And not to mention - Refs flipped the score by 11, if not 15 points in mid 4th quarter by not once, but TWICE, stealing a first down from the Bills on the same set of downs. Kincaid had the first by a half yard on 2nd down, they marked it short after the first ref declared first down. 4th down, Josh again gets the first, but wasn't given to us. That resulted in us having a 1 point lead to going down 7 when KC drove the field on a turnover of downs and converted a 2 point conversion. So instead of going up 4 (we were already in FG range and would have a first down to keep driving towards endzone) or possibly 8 (or 9 if they went for 2), we went down 7. That is a 11-15 point swing in the 4th in a game we lost by 3. Otherwise, we very well could have advanced to the SB already last year. But hey...might as well start 100 threads about your WR rants because it makes "so much sense" and is clearly why the Bills havent gotten by the Chiefs and has nothing to do with defense or the fact the Chiefs average 35 PPG in their wins against us in the playoffs and 3 of those times went on to lose the next game averaging 17 PPG (less than half what they score on us). But hey...I know facts aren't your friend...so do carry on with it all be about the WR What is worse about this is that all your rants are about how we didn't take a day 3 WR (which we did) in a weak WR class, meaning, the odds of that person stepping in and being the WR you clamor for are already pretty low.

The only simple (and incorrect) mythology going on here is that you think the Bills lose the production when Mack and Cooper leave, as if no other Bills could have scored those TD's last year or this upcoming year. Its like Cook...if he left, we aren't "losing" his TD's, guys like Allen, Davis, and whoever we replaced Cook with would pick up the slack. This notion is so flawed I can't believe you keep repeating it.

Well you have an interesting concept of “productive”. Cooper - 20 Rec, 297 yards (2.5 rec per game) Hollins - 31 Rec, 378 yards (1.8 rec per game while leading the Bills in most snaps played at receiver) That’s a loose definition you have of “2 productive receivers” we lost. So everyone is panicking because we lost 2 WR’s whose COMBINED production was 4.3 rec per game and under 60 yards? And we replaced them with a guy that is not only capable of producing their same or better COMBINED production, but also brings a lot more value and potential downfield than Mack or the Ghost or Cooper did last year, which was a bigger need than anything. So I don’t think the concern of losing those two and adding Palmer is the lopsided loss you think it is.

The fact you think this is how it works says everything. lol 14% of our TDs didn’t walk out the door. Just because Mack Hollins and Cooper aren’t here does NOT mean the offense by default is now set to lose 14 scores this year and no one else is capable of scoring those TDs. It’s comical at best to even suggest that, not to mention we also added Palmer who quite frankly is better than Hollins as a receiver, and by a lot, who played the most snaps on offense last year at WR because his primary role was doing the dirty work like blocking. This premise is so ridiculous, I shouldn't even continue to point out why….but, there are other holes in this unrealistic calculation like how Keon missed games, was a rookie, and by default should play more and be better in year 2. As well as how both Samuel and Kincaid played hurt a large part of the season too factoring into their individual production last year.

Actually what cost us on the final drive had nothing to do with separation, and we in fact had guys wide open and the plays were not made. For example, Josh Allen having a pass to a wide open Samuel and sure first down knocked down at the line of scrimmage. Or Josh Allen getting fooled on 4th down about where the blitz was coming from and cheating the protection on the wrong side leading to Allen not seeing a wide open Shakir to the left for an easy first down and instead heaving to heave an inaccurate pass (due to the unblocked blitz in his face) to what had been a wide open Kincaid by a wide margin , except the heave was way behind him forcing Kincaid on bad knees to try and stop and come back to the ball. No disrespect, but we had separation all over the place on the final drive, and open guys on pretty much every play…not executing on those plays is what cost us on the final drive.

Imagine being the best in the NFL at something (scoring points) and still b****ing because they don’t score the way you want or with who you want. Some of you need to just need to go outside and enjoy spring more and relax a bit

Literally does not prove anything other than that sometimes it helps and sometimes it doesn’t when a payer goes to a new team. The guy YOU used just put up 500 more yards in his 5th year than he averaged his first 4 after switching teams. Love how you want to cherry pick when a change of a scenery didn’t work…ignore when it did…then blanket paint the picture it never works lol. Classic TSW though

Did you really just use Jerry Jeudy in your example here? The same Jerry Jeudy who in his 4 years in Denver averaged 763 yards per game before in year 5 putting up 1229 yards in his first year in Cleveland? He was a bust in terms of his expectations and actual 4 year production in Denver prior to switching teams and breaking out in year 5. Also, I don't know anyone who thought Cooper was going to "light it up", and I certainly was NOT one of them. I mean no one was every going to light it up in this spread the ball around offense, its not how our offense functions. So this notion that if they aren't putting up certain numbers in one place then they will never do it elsewhere is inaccurate and history is littered with examples. Now, it doesn't mean they will just suddenly bust out or reach their potential going to another situation either. But there is a reason they say sometimes they just need a change of scenery, and this is true for any position like when we acquired what was then a bust in Jerry Hughes.

I think the biggest thing with Coleman is how much better he was looking before the injury and then how he was a bit lost in his role after time away coming back from injury. I would say its more probable the guy we saw pre-injury was more in line of what to expect or better this year. He admitted he didn't know how to be or fit in coming back after being out a while and his role seemingly a little different with how the offense was then clicking. And on one hand you are glad to see a young player be unselfish, and on the other he needs to find ways to get back involved and that comes with experience too. Best thing about him is that Allen has said Keon has been hitting him up all offseason on getting better, more on the same page, etc all offseason...so I think what we saw pre-injury or better is more in line of what we will see this year. Kincaid being healthy will I think lead to more of the breakout we expected last year when he essential played hurt most the season and battled a nagging knee. This is key IMO to really take the pressure off of Allen...give him a defense where the offense isn't going to always need to be perfect to have a chance to win those tough postseason games.

I mean no theory needed...Beane has said they fully expect Cook to play his contract out this year. With Cook, Davis, and Ty we were set at RB already. The fact they didn't make a move in the draft shows they are fully expecting Cook to suit up and be all in this season. And Beane said they will continue to try and work on a deal along the way. Had they drafted one in the first 4 rounds, especially one that would have been a complimentary player to what Davis does, then I would think there was either expectation of a potential hold out or some trade talks that felt close at the very least. The lack of activity just backs up everything Beane has said about Cook and the good relations between the 2 sides still, and what they expect to see from him come camp.

Is there a weaker fan meltdown right now other than WR? Highest scoring team in the AFC reg season AND postseason. Most total points in the NFL. 16th best offense in NFL history. Numerous NFL offensive records - as a team and individuals. Numerous all time Bills records - as a team and individuals. Lost AFCCG to a team by allowing 32 points that didn't score 30 the entire season or postseason and was down 34-0 in 3rd quarter the next game. Better WR group heading into the season than the group our season ended with. Yet...non stop threads about WR after a draft where WR was a weak class and was best at DL and Corner, the 2 real weakest roster positions heading into the draft. Peak TSW off season form...congrats

Cute you put safety twice to try and divide the votes to make WR stand out more. I wonder what fan narrative is the weakest right now? I think its obvious

FWIW - As I shared on the board during that draft, I know for a fact we called the Chargers to try and move up, and it was to get Addison. Chargers had no Interest in moving off their pick as they were all in on Quentin, and I have that from 2 sources directly connected to the matter.

Well considering our point differential and the fact we had an NFL record for most wins by 20+ points in NFL history this year...I would say...not many. No disrespect bud, but doesn't matter who our WR's are...Allen is going to make super human plays no matter what. You can't just say he is making them because of who the WR's are...he made them when we had a top 5 WR in Diggs, maybe the best slot WR in the game at the time in Cole, and vets and deep threats around him like Davis, Sanders, and Brown. Still making super human plays...that is who Allen is. So you can't also then say he is only doing it because you don't like who the WR's are. And people need to stop pretending it was all Allen too...go back and watch the biggest moments in our closest wins. Guys all over the offense were making big plays that either were not Allen, not even a pass, or bailed Allen out. And Allen would be the first person to tell you that himself.

No disrespect...I am not not follwing the bolded...why is "betting on that again" a little ignorant? The offense we ran last year wasn't a one year gimmick due to lack of resources at WR. It is who we are moving forward, and its not like we kept getting lucky week after week. We scored over 30 like 8 straight games if I am not mistaken on our way to avg 31 points despite Allen sitting weeking 17 and offense pretty much going into hibernation for whole quarters, even some 2nd halves in big blow out wins. And, on paper at least, I think there is a legit case to say our weapons are better today then when we last walked off the field. Coleman got a bit lost coming back from injury, but pre-injury he was very promising and should be better as a year 2 WR and healthy than he was as a rookie. Allen even said Keon has been hitting him up all offseason on getting better, getting even more on the same page in terms of timing and thinking in live play, etc. Then you have Palmer who is an upgrade over the ghost of Cooper and Hollins in terms of a downfield receiver. Shakir has done nothing but ascend each year, so not unreasonable to expect to see him be even better, Samuel is healthy entering the season, and Kincaid is healthy again where he was playing hurt most the season last year. Year 3 for him I expect to see a step forward as well. I mean this offense just led to Allens first MVP, we still have a dominant OL, best QB in football, and a great run game as well. I don't see how expecting the offense or betting on it to be good again is ignorant. It seems more silly to expect a big fall off than to expect it to be a top 5 offense again.

One more thing...I thought after Beane hopped off, Jeremy and Joe (especially Jeremy) got childish, butt hurt, and classless. Not a shock from what I know of them, but that was pretty weak after Beane crushed his segment and then left to where he couldn't respond to their nonsense. And the overwhelming sentiment is pro Beane on this, most applauding how he handled it, and raving about it really. So thats an even worse look for the butt hurt Jeremy to end it the way he did once Beane was gone.

Beane was 100% spot on, this was one of my favorite Beane moments of his tenure...hats off to him, loved this.

SIGN HIM! I wanted us to try and trade for him when he was with the Jets before he went to Cleveland. This guy would have a lot of potential in this offense. He’s been in football purgatory stuck in two dumpster fire organizations with inept QBs. F5 F5 F5

Proof is in the results too…look at how much better Allen was with the ball last year, how much more efficient and better this offense was, how many more points it scored, and how much more balance it had.

But it was week 4 though. Teams all over the league had bad weeks during the regular season. Come January, we ended their season

Yet…we still scored the most points in the NFL. And most points per game and total points in AFC Playoffs.

I get the sentiment, I want him to start early. But the reality is this regime tends to prefer not throwing rookies in early unless there is a clear hole. And Tre is a wildcard. 2 years removed from injuries, if he shows some of his previous form just wouldn’t surprise me if he starts initially. FWIW - I think Hairston is more likely to start week 1 than not