dave mcbride

Compare Gonzalez’s postseason stats with Gronk’s and pro-rate the numbers: https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/G/GonzTo00.htm https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/G/GronRo00.htm

These are mere counting stats. No TE dominated the game like Gronk in his prime. Don’t get me wrong - Gonzalez was a terrific player. But he was nowhere near as good as Gronk. Arguing that he was better than Gronk is like arguing that Don Sutton was better than Sandy Koufax. Primes matter in evaluating a player. Also, look at Gronk’s postseason stats. Seriously.

I think he is the greatest TE in NFL history and that it ain’t even really close. Just look at his postseason stats.

I don’t know what this actually means, although I recognize it’s supposed to be some form of snark. My point is that some people are interested in things that others find boring. For those bored by particular topics to intervene in a thread to criticize those who are interested in the topic seems to me both wrong-headed and a waste of people’s time.

Yeah, that’s basically what I meant. Thanks for the correction.

Every scouting report I’ve read says he has a huge arm.

If you are bored by the topic, why comment at all?

Wow - 10 surgeries on the same knee. I liked him as a player too.This is why players try to get longer deals, and we as fans need to keep that in mind. https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/03/23/former-patriots-receiver-malcolm-mitchell-retires/

I have to think that this is what they'll do. If he has a huge year (not likely), he'll be worth that franchise tag money anyway.

I think the situation with both of these guys is that they're oft-injured of late, and we have no idea if their situations are chronic.

I think they absolutely need one at TE. I also think that they could use an elite receiver, an LT better than Dawkins (who isn't that good), and arguably a pass rushing DE (unless you're wedded to a Murphy/Shaq combo). And of course ... DT, where they're currently relying on three guys who generated low-to-minimal production last season.

You are missing my point. An AV rating of "2" equates with a backup non-contributor. There's clearly an error. It was his best season by far yet his Approximate Value rating was the lowest he ever received.

That's screwed up - PFR gave him an AV of only 2 in 2016 despite 9 sacks, 10 TFLs, and 25 QB hits. That's wrong; those numbers are good.

I think it was a little more complicated than that, if I recall correctly. Obviously, though, Graham was a key part of it. It is the case, though, that a couple of the anti-Graham people became full-scale crusaders about the issue, which was not only annoying, but also a pretty lame way to live one's online life. I myself had no dog in that fight.

She's a good person and should be remembered as such.