Alphadawg7

Being a dad makes this stuff hit different now...not gonna lie actually got choked up a little bit just reading this story out loud to my wife. Its like sad yet uplifting all at the same time.

Yup...thats a lot different than what is being insinuated here. Most important thing here is that when these meetings are happening, the teams evaluations of all players are not complete, their board isn't finalized, their scouting and interviewing isn't done. There is no way as he is ending their meeting they are certain he is their guy...and then you still have the actual draft and how the board falls factoring in. Everything leading up to the draft suggested DB first, and everything I saw from Beane during and after the draft suggests to me they got their guy, especially given most the top corners were still on the board, so they had their pick of who they wanted. Beane also said he had trade offers to go back, but they were not moving off him. They got their guy IMHO

Most projections say like 4th...but 6'5" and 4.3 speed is getting peoples attention. I doubt he makes it to the 4th. He has reportedly been crushing his interviews and workouts too. I think he is going to go earlier than projections had been saying.

I would legit consider him at 62...but ideally we get back in the 3rd and get him there, although I think he can come off anywhere from late 2nd to 4th. So if they want him, I wouldn't be mad if he was the guy at 62 which would tell me they came away from his interview and private workouts with the same opinion I have...which he is both an elite vertical prospect with untapped potential to be a future starter and more than just a deep threat. DO IT BEANE!

Can you find me a regime that has a perfect score and hits 100% of the time? Did you forget Benford was a 6th round pick the same year and developed into an immediate starter and then into a pretty good CB we just gave a nice 2nd contract too? This need to hang only the losses and never credit the wins with this regime is something I will never get.

Sadly I wanted Watkins That being said, I also loved Evans, he was my 2nd crush. Watkins edged him out for me as I just thought he was more complete and the best playmaker in the draft. Had no idea he was going to be so mentally soft and lack drive. Despite my slight edge towards Watkins, I did still love Evans...I kept telling everyone - Manziel is a 4th round pick without Mike Evans, he made Manziel. I would have been fine with Mack, but I wanted a WR in the worst way, I was so sick of inept offense.

Im a big "go get Thornton" guy...I haven't wanted a day 3 projected prospect like this since I was pounding the drum to take Shakir in his draft. That being said...we are in a weird spot to get him. 2nd is probably a bit early and 4th is probably too late. I think he comes off the board probably in the 3rd (although with his elite size and speed earlier wouldn't surprise me), but we don't have a 3rd. He isn't the kind of guy I would just wait on and pray he slips to 109 if they want him. They either are going to need to move from 109, back from 62, or just pull the trigger at 62. Now they met with Thornton multiple times and had him in for a private workout. So its going to come down to how they graded him...is he just a vertical threat (which we need), then 62 is going to be too early still. If they feel he has untapped potential to be a complete and starting WR with elite vertical traits, then 62 might be where you need to pull the trigger because he probably is coming off the board in the next 10-20 picks. Obviously we don't know what the Bills (or anyone else) think or see him as in the NFL right now, so he is someone who can go earlier than projected or even slip to the 4th or 5th if teams came out of their evaluations thinking he's just a one trick pony. If I had to guess right now, I still think the 3rd is probably where he goes, I think he shows potential to be more than a one trick pony personally. It also would not at all surprise me to see someone take a chance on a 6'5" WR with 4.3 speed and good hands who tracks the ball well at the back end of the 2nd either.

You left what I thought was the biggest...the absurd bounty Jags paid - on the level you should only do for a QB - to move up and get a WR on a team who is terrible in the trenches. They gave up 1st, 2nd, 4th and next years 1st. Forget WR/CB, they better hope Hunter can play LT & DT instead. Browns made out in that trade...big time. The only good move I have seen them make in a long time. Jags GM is the youngest in the league and out here running the team like its a Madden game franchise. They were not a WR away from contending...their OL and DL have serious issues and now they have no ammo to address it. Was Hunter worth taking at 2 overall...absolutely...was it a good move based on what they gave up...not in my opinion.

Some names that stick out to me, in no particular order: S - Nick Emmanwori S - Xavier Watts LB - Carson Schewesinger DT - TJ Sanders DT - Alfred Collins DT - Deone Walker EDGE - Landon Jackson EDGE - Jordan Burch EDGE - Donovan Ezeiruaku WR - Luther Burden WR - Jaylen Royals WR - Jayden Higgins Some would be only there likely in a trade up like Emmanwori for example. But these are guys that stand out for me on the board, and we have the ammo to be aggressive and move up from 56 too.

Dion is a national treasure

Last I saw they met with him at the combine, but I don't think they met with on a visit. But I hope he is in play at 56 or 62, that is a lot of BEEF to put next to Oliver.

Fair...but also no one bats 1.000, so cant hold that against them too much. And Elam's problem I think stems a lot more from scheme fit than anything. And I think they banked on his commitment and study obsession to be better that they could coach up his raw areas in zone and help correct his handy nature. Then Benford emerging I think also cut off opportunities and development. Hairston is not a scheme square peg they need to change his game to fit to what we want to do. So I think the chances of success here are much higher than taking a guy like Elam and trying to change his style to fit ours.

Yeah I agree, I say it every year, just listen to Beane and its pretty clear what is not likely and what is more likely. With Grant being mocked to us so much, so many people here talking about Grant, Harmon, etc...I was under the impression Bills were showing a lot of interest, but I had not checked the pre-draft visits. You pointed out that you didn't think they had them in and only met with them at the combine, so I went and looked, and that was correct. And one of the safest bets in the Beane era is that our early picks will have been one of our predraft visits. If I am not mistaken, I think maybe only one pick in the first couple rounds in the Beane era wasn't in for a pre-draft visit...you might be able to confirm that or correct that. Either way, it was pretty telling seeing who they brought in, and then Beane basically verbatim stated how he was weighing secondary higher than DL based on snap counts and overall contributions because of how we rotate our DL.

Based on what I was told - which was don't expect DL in the first unless there is a big run on DBs - and what Beane said at his presser before the draft, I don't think DT/DL was ever going to be the pick. I shared this with some people here in private, but I had some people I trust tell me the other day that Bills have secondary weighted higher than DL heading into the draft. Beane echoed this himself almost verbatim talking about the value of a guy playing near 100% of the snaps vs a DL in how we like to rotate them being a 2 down player and seeing 40-50% snaps and the overall impact said player has based on snap counts. And @GunnerBilloriginally pointed out to me too that if you look at our predraft visits, none of the expected first DT's were players we had in. We only met with guys like Harmon and Grant at the combine, but no documented visits or further meetings with them since. The DT's we had in were all guys expected to be more 2nd round targets or later, and the DB's we were meeting with had more guys we would likely need to target at 30 to land. So...I think its pretty clear that secondary help was their primary target heading into the draft with our first pick. As with any draft, how it falls could have impacted that, but everything points to they got a guy who was a primary target.

I mean...if this regime knows a position its CB...so I think with this staff and Tre mentoring, this kid just landed in a great spot to reach his potential.

I mean they had their pick of almost every top CB in the draft...so I would guess that says it pretty much had to be the guy they really wanted.

Tre is going to be an excellent mentor for this kid

Finally some speed in our secondary...much needed.

Im still bullish on both Kincaid and Coleman...so youre doing just fine in my book

Lord knows we need some speed in our secondary

Finally some speed in our secondary!

Never thought Will Johsnon would be here...wondering if they pull the trigger. BPA IMHO

Odd side note...my buddy just text me he is playing in a softball game right now against T.O. Lol

Cowboys tehcnically did it when they took Aikman in the first and then Steve Walsh in the first of the Supplemental draft that year. Skins did it with RG3 and Cousins in the 4th. Its such an important position, and they been stuck in medicority or worse...not the craziest idea TBH.