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I get where you are coming from, but Owens and Moss don't qualify for what I am saying. Eagles didn't trade a bounty for TO, nor did the Patriots to get Moss who only spent a 4th round pick. And of course, they never won a Super Bowl either. So not that your points aren't valid, I think maybe you misunderstood the basis of my point of when teams give up a ton of draft capital to go get a WR that then diminishes their ability to continue to build the rest of the team. For example, anytime someone can go get a "Randy Moss" player for a 4th round pick and has the cap room to make it work, its a no brainer. But how often does a trade up to draft Julio Jones or big trade for a Tyreek Hill result in a Super Bowl? Answer is quite frankly never has. The reason I bring this up is we have to weigh the cost vs the return. Is it really necessary to go get a top 15 WR in the draft and give up 2-4 premium picks to do so? Well, only one team in the last 20 years even had a top 15 drafted WR1 in Mike Evans despite there being some great WR drafts over that span with some great WR's to come out of them early in those drafts. Consider the year we got Diggs. That draft, everyone here wanted us to use trade the farm to move up to get one of Ruggs, Jeudy, or Lamb because everyone knew none would make it to us, including Beane. Well...lets see how that worked out: Bills - we sent a pretty big trade package to Minny to get Diggs and then paid him a lot of money while Allen was on a rookie deal. Diggs emereged as a top 5, arguably top 3 WR during at least 2 of those years, and we only made it out of the 2nd round once in 4 years. What if we had instead traded up for one of the big 3: Ruggs and Jeudy - Ruggs is in Jail and Jeudy sucks compared to his hype and has been a mediocre WR. Lamb - Was being questioned if he was truly a WR1 until finally this year, his 4th season. Dallas has won even less than we have and they had multiple seasons with Cooper and Lamb. Best WR's in the draft ended up being people on the board at our original pick in Jefferson and Higgins. Lamb finally entered the debate now with Higgins on who is better, but up until this season it was Jefferson and Higgins. Trading up in that draft would have been a huge mistake and not returned the value of Diggs. Trading for Diggs worked out to help us win more games, but ultimately it delivered 4 disappointing playoff exits, none of which was because of our WR group. We lost in 2020 because we were the worse team 2021 we lost because of our defense 2022 we lost in the trenches and not being able to run the ball in bad weather 2023 we lost because he had no linebackers and couldn't even get Mahomes jersey dirty. The most correct thing to do was not trade for Diggs and stay put and take Jefferson. Doesn't mean the Diggs trade was bad or wrong, but not giving up draft capital and taking Jefferson on a rookie contract was more correct. But, again, Diggs trade makes more sense as no one knows how those rookies will turn out until they hit the field. Look around at other big moves to get a WR...Even a lesser cost of Hopkins to AZ when he was arguably the best WR in the NFL and at least top 3, did very little for them although they only gave a 2nd. Clevelands big trade for OBJ didn't do much either, neither did Antonio Brown to the Raiders, or Amari Cooper also in Cle. I mean the examples can keep going on, I am just trying to name more of the most recent ones. To be 100% clear, I want a WR early in this draft too, we all do. I would love to get one of MHJ, Nabers, Odunze, or Thomas...I just don't believe we should gut a lot of premium draft capital to do so because this team needs more than just one of them to get over the hump, its proven that already the last 4 years. And when you factor in how great this draft is, historically great, maybe the best of all time in talent and depth...it gets even more illogical to gut our draft capital on a team who needs to keep restocking young talent given for cap management. IMHO next years first should be really near our max, and only because we have two 2nd's next year now, so moving the first hurts less. But even so...imagine in 2025 having our first and then probably an early 2nd (Vikings) and of course our 2nd all next year for this roster, we could really load some talent up on this team. That could be what puts us over the top even. And we still would have added some exciting WR(s) in this draft too. For the record...if on draft day I see we make some big expensive move to get someone like Nabers, I won't be mad, adding Nabers would be incredibly exciting. I will however be concerned that the cost may outweigh the reward because we will need to keep building through the draft to find playmakers and elite talent elsewhere on the roster because we won't have cap room to sign them in FA.

Arizona, Eagles, Patriots

I do think its possible they could draft 2 WR's, all I was saying to the other poster was that we are not trading up in the first for a WR then again trading up in the 2nd for another WR. I would cap our trade up at next years first and only for one of the top 4 guys. And the only reason I would say we can include next years first is because of the extra 2nd we got from the Diggs trade making that more palatable. This draft is too good and rich to over pay to go too far up for a WR. Lets say we did go WR with both our first 2 picks...scenario one we take McConkey at 28 or on a small trade back, I wouldn't mind seeing them then go get someone like Legette or Polk after. If we took someone like Mitchell at 28, then I wouldn't mind seeing them go get someone like McConkey, Pearsall, etc after. Personally, I think we will nab one WR in either round 1 or 2 depending on the draft falls then probably not take another one until day 3, if we even take another one (Beane may still want to add another vet to the room instead).

We had a better WR group the past 4 seasons than many super bowl winning teams have had in the past 20 to 30 years. We had a top 5 WR (arguably top 3 a couple seasons) where only a few teams in the NFL can ever make that claim. We had Davis who by WR2 standards put up WR2 numbers despite his limitations. We had one of the best slot WR's in the NFL for part of that in Cole Beasley. Last year we had a rookie TE set team records, a 2nd year WR lead the NFL in catch rate, efficiency, and yards per target. We still had Diggs and Davis too along with a breakout star in Cook. People talk about the receiving group Allen has had like its been bad or bottom of the league and its just remotely close to reality. What really gets me, is this notion that we didn't advance because we didn't sign Hopkins like no one actually remembers the KC playoff game. We lost because we started a journeyman LB who had just been on his couch a few weeks earlier and the KC defense just literally attacked our LB's all game long. We lost because Chris Jones blew up Dawkins into Josh Allens foot a half second before Josh got a sure TD strike off to Shakir causing him to come up short. We lost because we lost key players on defense and couldn't make a play when we needed to stop KC. We lost because we couldn't get Mahomes jersey dirty and didn't win in the trenches. None of our losses was because of WR's unless you want to point the finger to our top end WR1 who dropped a pass 70 yards downfield. But even then, we had other chances to win that game and the team failed in other ares. 2020 - This team was not on the level to compete with KC yet and we lost bad on both sides of the ball to the Chiefs. 2021 - Allen had 9 TD's in 2 games...we were eliminated because our defense gave up 17 points in a matter of the final minutes of the game and OT. 2022 - We lost because Bengals dominated the trenches on both sides of the ball in a bad weather game where Dorsey was grossly outcoached and had no idea how to run the ball in bad elements. 2023 - We lost because (see recap above) I get it...we ALL want Allen to have as many weapons as possible. But this notion we havent won a Super Bowl because Beane ignored weapons for Josh is just not accurate IMHO and greatly exaggerated around here.

Here is the reality no one wants to see... Never in NFL history has a large investment to acquire a WR via trade, FA, or the draft has ever translated into a Super Bowl win. No team has given up multiple premium picks to trade for a proven top end WR and paid them big money and gone on to win a SB (which is what some want us to do to get Auiyuk, Higgins, etc). No team has ever signed a FA WR to top of the league money and then turned that into a SB win. No team has ever made a big trade up in the first round using multiple premium picks and won a SB (which many want to send multiple firsts and multiple 2nds to get up into the top 12). There is no example of a major investment like that in a WR ever leading to a SB trophy. There are however countless examples where teams have won the Super Bowl without having a top 5 WR. In the past 20 Super Bowls only 1 team had a WR1 drafted in the top 15 of the draft (Mike Evans). I want to find a WR1 for Josh too out of this draft, but people need to cool their jets on how much they are willing to give up to go get one. WR has never in NFL history, including the passing era, ever proven to be the "missing piece" for any championship team. And lets be real...Bills have had a top 5 WR the better part of the past 4 seasons, some would say top 3 WR for at least 2 of those seasons, and we only made it past the 2nd round once and never reached a Super Bowl. Going back to last year, we were 5-5 and firmly on the outside looking in regarding the playoffs when we treated Diggs like a high volume WR1. Once we went away from that we rallied to win the division and the 2 seed. Allen also had an INT% over 4% targeting Diggs and Davis while around 2% targeting everyone else. There are a number of reasons for that, but a big part of that is Allen taking what the defense gives him with everyone else rather than forcing it into Diggs or Davis. Allen is him. He doesn't need an elite WR to be an elite QB, in fact, Josh is at his best when he just goes out and makes plays without having to consider who he is getting the ball too. Yes...go draft a WR early in this draft in round 1 or 2. Yes, if there is a chance to make a small trade up to get Brian Thomas you can still pull that trigger. NO you DONT reach at 28 for just the sake of taking a WR if there is a better player at another position on the board. Yes, you can still get your WR in the 2nd, even make a less costly trade up to do so or even a trade back from 28 if that makes more sense to Beane and get back a 3rd or something. Bottom line is we do not need to mortgage our future for a WR, this has worked 0 times for a success rate of 0% and a fail rate of 100% in NFL history. ESPECIALLY in a draft this rich at WR where stud WR's will be coming out of it likely on day 1, day 2, and day 3.

Who was old and in decline last year just to still win the SB again.

I would rather keep Elam. He has shown more than Burks has at this point and with Tre gone and Bedford coming back from injury, Elam also has more value to the team right now and has a chance to compete to start. Burks would be competing at bottom of WR depth chart here to be a WR 4/5 right now with Hollis after we draft a WR. And if we draft 2 WRs he could end up 5th or 6th on the depth chart. Hollis also brings blocking and ST value over Burks too.

Agree…And to be clear, I’m not saying we would never trade up twice. I was just saying we aren’t trading up twice in first 2 rounds to take 2 WRs.

With the 100th pick in the 2024 NFL Draft, the Washington Commanders select: Cade Stover, TE, Ohio State Recruited as a LB who also played DE, Cade has shown adaptability and promise despite only playing TE full time 2 seasons. He brings a nice blend of toughness and explosiveness making him an exciting player both as a receiver and blocker despite his relative inexperience and we believe he can continue to grow as a TE and come in and compete to start. With that pick, the Commanders 3 round is complete and we couldn’t be more excited about the new look offense and exciting new defensive pieces for our new coaching staff to get to work with and carry this franchise into a new era. Draft Recap: 2 - Drake Maye, QB North Carolina 36 - Ladd McConkey, WR, Georgia 40 - Cooper Beebee, OL, Kansas State 67 - Austin Cooper, DE, Kansas 78 - Jeremiah Trotter Jr, LB, Clemson 100 - Cade Stover, TE, Ohio State Obviously with me having the final pick, you saved the best for last. Thank you @Virgil for another great draft, and you’re welcome for me once again carrying this draft and now anchoring it here at the end and putting a ribbon on it per uge. I know, I know…it’s really cool of me to participate without compensation, no need to keep thanking me because I’m so humble and just happy to give back. The charitable tax write off I get is thanks enough. If anyone is still reading this post and come this far then you may need to evaluate your life and schedule more outside time. 😂

And I am usually up late, so if it gets to you and you get your pick in, I will see mine and get it done before the night is over here on the Westcoast.

Everyone sees the Texans as an ascending team and Bills in a state of mini reload. Most importantly Diggs sees it that way.

You might be the only person in America right now that says Texans are worse than the current state of the Bills.

If that is all you think we need then I don't know what to tell you. We may have guys we could start if we HAD to, but lets not pretend we are better at each of those positions than we were last year on a team that already didn't make it past the 2nd round and had to rally just not to miss the playoffs.

lol…another 0% chance scenario. Every thread you’re giving away the farm to get every WR with no consideration for substantial amount of holes on this team. There is absolutely no chance Beane is trading up TWICE in first 2 rounds for 2 WRs leaving us very little ammo to find the players we need in our secondary and DL as well. Not to mention another RB and OL depth we are likely going to use some of the day 3 picks on. And to do so in the deepest and richest WR draft in history is utterly insane. To get into the mid teens, it’s probably going to cost us our first next year as well without having to gut some of our draft capital this year that we need. Everyone forgets the other team needs to want to move back to and be worth passing on the talent that will be there at OL, DL, CB, and even the WR for themselves.

Diggs had one real issue…his obsession with winning. I think his desire to win and how he wears it on his sleeve gets misunderstood greatly with Diggs. He is not the Diva “me first” WR who cares more about his stats than winning that some fans and media try and make him out to be. The real issue with Diggs is quite simple. He knows he is on the back part of his career and his window for a Super Bowl is closing fast as a player. And he has lost faith that Buffalo can get over the hump before he is done. I have no doubt he genuinely loved his time in Buffalo in terms of the fans, experience, his teammates, etc. But I also have no doubt he sees the team in a mini rebuild mode and he had no desire to risk his last couple years of being at the top of his game on a team looking at the potential of taking a step back with this much roster turnover this season when it was already not a team getting over the hump to begin with. I won’t say he is in “Decline”, I mean even with lower stats back half of last year, plenty of time he was wide open and beating his man and Josh missed the throw or had just gone elsewhere. His stats didn’t go down because he wasn’t getting open, they went down because we ran more and spread the ball around more. But Father Time is undefeated, so there may be a slight decline or one coming soon, but I think Diggs is still a good WR1 right now with still some of the best feet and routes in the game. So I think he is a legend of the game player in the future, I think it should be more a “mutual parting of the ways” scenario rather than a bitter split. Not sure he makes it into the Bills Wall of Famer category only being here 4 years and not finishing his career here or winning a SB, but also wouldn’t rule it out either. No hard feelings from me, more of a I think it’s good for both sides scenario in my mind. Diggs gets his move to an ascending team and Bills have no more Diggs questions all season and Allen can spread the ball around which is what he does when he is at his best. I can’t wait though for Allen to remind Diggs that Allen “Is him.” when we beat them when we face them this season.

Personally, I’ve had him as an early to mid 3rd rounder. He wouldn’t be my target in 2nd. I wouldn’t have hated taking him there, but I just think there will be players at 60 I would take over him the way I think then draft falls. Now if this pushes him down into the 4th, then run to the podium and get him. I wouldn’t be upset if we traded up from our 4th to still get him in the 3rd either.

Thanks, I would love to see him become a Bill, but between already having Milano, Bernard, and Dorian taking a LB inside the first 4 rounds feels improbable. Especially considering our other needs, and where we pick, I just can’t see the draft falling in a way where it would make sense we got him. He is going to go earlier than we can logically get him, especially not having a 3rd rounder. And he is going to go in an area of the draft where we should be in the market for one of the other more pressing holes on this team. But I like his potential and ability to both cover and bring pressure on the QB.

Good pick and I like the player comp to Floyd too.

With the 78th pick in the 2024 NFL Draft, the Washington Commanders select: Jeremiah Trotter Jr, LB, Clemson Almost our selection earlier this round, we are thrilled to see Jeremiah still on board after picking up Austin Booker at DE previously. With his pass coverage and pass rush abilities we believe he can come in right away and compete to start and be an important part of our defense moving forward. A lot of his play reminds us of Fred Warner and we think he has that kind of potential. We are thrilled with our draft so far with another pick later this round still to come. Draft Recap so far: 2 - Drake Maye, QB North Carolina 36 - Ladd McConkey, WR, Georgia 40 - Cooper Beebee, OL, Kansas State 67 - Austin Cooper, DE, Kansas 78 - Jeremiah Trotter Jr, LB, Clemson 100 - TBD @TOboyand the Atlanta Falcons are on the clock.

Hey that’s the future of the Buffalo Bills I’m feeding here. Heir to the Allen throne and I’ve got his stud LB brother to anchor and captain the defense in the wife’s Belly due in October too. I’m just doing my part to save the future of the franchise. What did you do this morning to help the Bills future? Probably nothing you lazy bastard 😂😂😂

With the 67th pick in 2024 draft, the Washington Commanders select: Austin Booker, DE, Kansas We were thrilled to see Austin still here and are excited to bring this explosive edge rusher who’s loaded with potential while coming a little more raw than some of his fellow prospects. We have confidence in our new staff to help Booker reach his potential and tap into the explosiveness at the next level. @TPSand the Dumb England Cheatriots are on the clock

I’ll make a pick within 30 min. It’s 7:30am here and need to change and feed my 10 month old son first

So youre telling me Sammy was too mentally weak then, meaning he was always doomed. He went on to play with 4 of the best coaching staffs in the NFL, 2 first Ballot HOFers, 3 multiple MVP winning QBs, and one of the best offense minds in football. Yet you want to pretend because his start in Buffalo didn’t go perfect he was ruined forever? Lol But forget about Sammy. Name one team in NFL history that won a Super Bowl from an expensive trade up (multiple premium picks) for a WR. In the last 20 years, only 2 SB winning teams had a WR1 taken in the first 20 picks…Mike Evans (taken after Sammy) and 18 years go Marvin Harrison. You want a cautionary tale, how about it’s worked 0% of the time in NFL history. And that includes trading a bunch of picks for a proven one, not just rookies. This is maybe the best WR draft in NFL history too.

Huh? He played with McVay and Goff, then Mahomes, Rodgers, and Lamar. How many MVPs does he have to play with to reach his potential? LOL

Best reply of the off season.