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Hamlin is a backup Safety and totally replaceable - no doubt. But his replacement is not on this roster, and if they are, they certainly haven't stepped up to show it yet. Hamlin is going no where this year because Safety is currently our weakest position group and its not close. Rapp and Bishop will start, Hamlin will back up Bishop and the hope is that Bishop takes a step forward this year to be at the very min an improvement on what our Safeties did last year. The only hope in terms of someone replacing Hamlin is Forrest steps up - but I don't think I have heard his name mentioned even once the entire offseason by anyone and he is still at the back of the depth chart. So odds of that happening before the season begins seems pretty unlikely and he is teetering on being a roster bubble guy right now.

So you have decided Coleman and Palmer, before seeing them in a game this year, suck too. Got it.

lol - Never change Jimmy

I said it after the first preseason game that I think, and the race and battle isn’t over, but I think Shavers has edged his way ahead in this battle. And I was pretty confident Moore was going to make this roster prior to that, but I think Shavers is doing everything he can to change that.

Thats what the Bengals have been trying to do and can’t make the playoffs. That’s the Dolphins keep trying to do and haven’t done better than the 6th seed, missed playoffs last year, and never won a playoff game. That’s what the Pats tried and did better than any team in history until they lost to Eli Manning and the meh Giants. That’s what the Manning led Broncos tried and set the new record as best to do it ever until they got blown out by a run first offense with a game manager 2nd year QB. It’s the not the solution people think it is. Someone already said the correct answer - IMHO Miles Garrett.

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IMHO There is no chance Knox is getting cut, they love Knox and he is a key member of the offense

And the Lions last year scored the 4th most points in NFL history - so a lot of teams struggled covering their offense and wasn’t just a Bills. St Brown is an elite player too

And yet the Lions lost

I heard we are not well run, terrible at drafting, offense stinks, defense stinks, we are too boring, and our first preseason game predicts our doom. So are you sure we are not still in the "dark ages"? 😂

You want a real hoot - go read the insane reactions and the ridiculous stuff in the original Hard Knocks thread when it was announced. Some hilarious takes in there Those hot takes are not aging well especially for a select few lmao

One of the best posts of the offseason. Nice job sir

I feel your pain! I am part of a big mens group with a lot of big hitters in it from media, tech, music, leadership, business, etc. that meets every Saturday and has all these guest speakers come in. I remember sitting in the theatre on Saturdays (now we meet via zoom on Saturdays) listening to some of biggest crypto people in the game tell us all the time to just put $10k in Ethereum and let it sit. Same people who told them to buy bitcoin when it was worth nothing too (I wasn't in the group back then). Ethereum was at $6 then and that $10k would be worth based on todays price $7,888,033! I think it about all the time as I had the $10k to do it, but buying crypto was complicated back then, nothing like now to buy or use it, so I just didn't have the time or bandwidth to really dive into it as I had so much already going on with two businesses I was building and running at the time. There are guys in the group who literally made hundreds of millions getting in early on Ethereum in that group who now live in sick places in like Bali, Dubai, Costa Rica, Malaysia, etc. Oh what could have been lol.

So you expect Beane to see the future? If people knew the future do you think Jefferson would have been the 4th WR taken in that draft or would he gone first instead of Henry Ruggs? Maybe we should slam every GM who passed on Jefferson before the Vikings took him too because they all should have known a guy who played a lot of slot in college was going to be the best 1 or 2 WR's in football. Sorry, the hindsight stuff is a waste of time and not based in reality.

Ok so how did a thread on signing Cook turn into a turd session about pissing and moaning over WR's? I don't know whats worse - this being discussed in a thread about Cook or your rant that it seems WR's can only be drafted despite the fact we traded for Diggs who was a top 5 WR for most of Allens first 4 years of his prime.

Anytime someone says they can find a RB as good as Cook "easily and cheaply" tells me they play too much Madden

Dont get me wrong, I am with you on BTJ, was all over BTJ in that draft was hoping for a trade up as well as I knew the big 3 were not realistic. But as much as I liked him, he did still have some question marks. I had him as WR4 and Ladd as WR5 going into that draft, I was high on both, but I also liked Keon who I had just behind them. But there is a lot more that goes into those decisions to trade up/down or not at all. And in that draft, we were without a 3rd, just moved off some long term starters, vets and leaders on the team do to age and cap. The Bills were in a mini-retool year, and the FO even said as much. So entering that draft they were looking to maximize their picks and try and get back some as well. So its not so cut and dry to come back later and say "they should have traded up for this guy", not to mention, you need a willing trade partner to agree on a trade, and one you are good with too. And when we got Kincaid the Bills tried to trade up with the Charges who started the WR run, but they were set on Q and were not interested in moving back. And the belief was they were after Addison, so for all we know they did try and get a WR but settled for Kincaid when their guy was gone and moved up to assured themselves they got him. So its not so easy or always so cut and dry to say they should have done this or that either

One - Keon wasn't a first round pick because of a technicality we moved back 1 spot when Beane already said he was going to take Keon if no, even so it was still our first pick in the draft that we used on a pass catching weapon. Second - I love BTJ, wanted him in the draft too as I thought he was more realistic than Odunze wasn't - BUT...BTJ was not on the board when we picked so doesn't matter. Third - Kincaid was drafted be a receiving threat, his designation on paper is irrelevant, we used that first round pick on a pass catching weapon. Fourth - 3 of the last 6 drafts we used our first pick on a receiving weapon for Allen (Diggs, Kincaid, Keon). Fifth - 4 of our 6 picks in the first 2 rounds for 3 consecutive drafts prior to this year were offensive picks, including Cook who has become a major weapon for us we just extended. All of which are key starters for this offense heading into this season.

This was what I expected IF we got a deal done, and this was pretty much where my max comfort spot was as well after we saw the RB market contracts rise. This feels like a pretty fair deal on both sides, and I am stoked he will remain in Buffalo! LFG - Cant wait for the season opener!

All fair points, and I am not sold Shavers beats out Moore either. And while I think we only keep 5 WR's, keeping 6 is still a possibility. The problem is I cant see them keeping 6 WRs unless one is an important ST player like a returner which would make more sense to be Shenault, who did show well first preseason game as both a receiver and on ST. But who knows, definitely won't rule out keeping 6 where both Moore and Shavers make it, I just personally think its going to be 5 still. As far as when our 2 suspended guys come back, the issue is who would be out at DL? They are high on Solomon who seems to have taken some nice steps forward so far in camp this offseason according to reports. And they really like Carter and his versatility. All of our rookies are safe from being cut, and so is Bosa, Groot, AJE, Oliver, etc. There is no one there that is just "cuttable" IMHO - so they would have to find a trade dance partner which is certainly possible. We also have some guys on 1 year deals or last year of their deals, so they may not want to move any with next year in mind.

Thanks - I mean its all just us guessing, so no right or wrong answers here. Fun thread though In terms of a couple of the spots I disagreed with your projected list on - I just think Mitch has played more meaningful games than White and has more similarities in style to Josh than White, plus more experience in this locker room. So for White to unseat him I think he would have to decisively beat him out and I am not sure he shown he can do that yet. But still more time left to prove me wrong. Hamlin is a guy they love, so another guy would have to decisively be beaten out to lose his spot, and I don't see anyone pressing him for his spot at this point. Neither are locks though, so anything can still happen, just haven't seen either pressed enough to think they wont make the 53 personally.

Wait - you are all over this thread obsessing over what the first preseason game means for our defenses future - I make one comment about a post you wrote on public forum and I am obsessing? LMAO - I think Homey took one too many socks loaded with tennis balls to the dome Pro Tip - If you only want one person to chime in to your hot takes you can always use the DM function homey 😂

TBH, up to this point I had Moore making it and was pretty confident in that. But I think Shavers could be slightly edging ahead as he has not only had a great camp, but he really helped himself in the first preseason game and has the higher ST value. Not to mention how fast he came back from injury and made an impact first preseason game. I don't think its a lock by any means, and would not surprise me one bit to see Shavers to PS and Moore stick to the 53. I have been high on Moore since he came into the NFL, so hoping he turns it up here. To be fair, I don't think Samuel has done anything to have "job security" either who keeps getting dinged up. But Samuel has 2 things going for him - experience here already and with Brady even before here and his contract would be harder to move off of via trade/cut. So feels like Moore is the guy whose spot Shavers is directly challenging. Gonna be interesting to watch - I am pulling for Moore who IMHO has much higher upside - but based on what has come out about camp, feels like Shavers is legitimately pushing him for that 5th spot and his added ST value may give him an edge if its a close call. This is going to be an interesting battle to watch IMHO.

What if we don't agree with your 45. For example, I don't think Mike White is making the team over Mitch and I think Hamlin will make the team as well. You also don't have Thompson making it even though he has popped in camp and McD has been gushing about him. Nothing is ever certain, but you are asking us to pick 8 more as if we agree with your first 45, which I don't agree on some of your choices. Offense: QB - Allen, Trubisky RB - Cook, Davis, Ty FB - Gilliam TE - Kincaid, Knox, Hawes WR - Keon, Palmer, Shakir, Samuel, Shavers OT - Dawkins, Brown, Grable, Van Demark OG - O'Cyrus, Edwards, Anderson C - McGovern, VPG The other day I still had Samuel and Moore as the final 2 WR's and Shavers to the PS. But with how much Shavers has been playing ST, and them really needing someone at the back end of the WR to likely be a ST guy as well, I am starting to think Moore is the odd guy out. I warned everyone not to over react to how he looked in shorts, fast guys always do when no pads on. But all the reports is that he didn't do much in camp since then and Shavers has all the coaches gushing about him and I think he may have just took a leg up in the race for WR5 after the first preseason game. Still won't surprise me to see Shavers to PS and Moore make the team, but I do think Shavers has the momentum right now and Moore would be the guy who would be in more jeopardy than Samuel mostly due to Samuels time in the offense and contract size. Defense DE - Bosa, Rousseau, AJE, Jackson, Solomon DT - Oliver, Jones, Sanders, Walker, Carter LB - Bernard, Milano, Williams, Thompson, Andreesen, Ulofoshio CB - Benford, Hairston, White, Johnson, Strong, Codrington S - Rapp, Bishop, Hamlin, Lewis, Forrest Not Sure why so many left Shaq off their lists, nothing but strong reports coming out of camp on him and I expect to see him on the roster at this point. And as others have said, Hamlin is making the team. Forrest was a toss up for me, and he may not make the team, but he feels like one of the better players in terms of fringe guys, and with how banged up our secondary has gotten I think he does make the team but will be in jeopardy when our suspended guys get back. That being said, would not surprise me to see Dane make it over Forrest instead for ST reasons. Special Teams PK - Bass Punter - Robbins LS - Reid I think Forrest and Ulofoshio would be the odd guys out when our 2 guys from suspension are back.

Buy AOL and Myspace So lets see - you mean the defense that even McD said somewhere between 0 and 1 on a scale of 1-10 was spent actually game planning for this game? Or do you mean the starters whose priority is not to go hard but to get a feel for contact and game speed while trying to not get hurt like Taron almost did going too hard? Drawing conclusions from the first preseason game is about as realistic as the emails you get from Prince's in Africa who need your help to get their money to the US.