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Everyone sees the Texans as an ascending team and Bills in a state of mini reload. Most importantly Diggs sees it that way.

You might be the only person in America right now that says Texans are worse than the current state of the Bills.

If that is all you think we need then I don't know what to tell you. We may have guys we could start if we HAD to, but lets not pretend we are better at each of those positions than we were last year on a team that already didn't make it past the 2nd round and had to rally just not to miss the playoffs.

lol…another 0% chance scenario. Every thread you’re giving away the farm to get every WR with no consideration for substantial amount of holes on this team. There is absolutely no chance Beane is trading up TWICE in first 2 rounds for 2 WRs leaving us very little ammo to find the players we need in our secondary and DL as well. Not to mention another RB and OL depth we are likely going to use some of the day 3 picks on. And to do so in the deepest and richest WR draft in history is utterly insane. To get into the mid teens, it’s probably going to cost us our first next year as well without having to gut some of our draft capital this year that we need. Everyone forgets the other team needs to want to move back to and be worth passing on the talent that will be there at OL, DL, CB, and even the WR for themselves.

Diggs had one real issue…his obsession with winning. I think his desire to win and how he wears it on his sleeve gets misunderstood greatly with Diggs. He is not the Diva “me first” WR who cares more about his stats than winning that some fans and media try and make him out to be. The real issue with Diggs is quite simple. He knows he is on the back part of his career and his window for a Super Bowl is closing fast as a player. And he has lost faith that Buffalo can get over the hump before he is done. I have no doubt he genuinely loved his time in Buffalo in terms of the fans, experience, his teammates, etc. But I also have no doubt he sees the team in a mini rebuild mode and he had no desire to risk his last couple years of being at the top of his game on a team looking at the potential of taking a step back with this much roster turnover this season when it was already not a team getting over the hump to begin with. I won’t say he is in “Decline”, I mean even with lower stats back half of last year, plenty of time he was wide open and beating his man and Josh missed the throw or had just gone elsewhere. His stats didn’t go down because he wasn’t getting open, they went down because we ran more and spread the ball around more. But Father Time is undefeated, so there may be a slight decline or one coming soon, but I think Diggs is still a good WR1 right now with still some of the best feet and routes in the game. So I think he is a legend of the game player in the future, I think it should be more a “mutual parting of the ways” scenario rather than a bitter split. Not sure he makes it into the Bills Wall of Famer category only being here 4 years and not finishing his career here or winning a SB, but also wouldn’t rule it out either. No hard feelings from me, more of a I think it’s good for both sides scenario in my mind. Diggs gets his move to an ascending team and Bills have no more Diggs questions all season and Allen can spread the ball around which is what he does when he is at his best. I can’t wait though for Allen to remind Diggs that Allen “Is him.” when we beat them when we face them this season.

Personally, I’ve had him as an early to mid 3rd rounder. He wouldn’t be my target in 2nd. I wouldn’t have hated taking him there, but I just think there will be players at 60 I would take over him the way I think then draft falls. Now if this pushes him down into the 4th, then run to the podium and get him. I wouldn’t be upset if we traded up from our 4th to still get him in the 3rd either.

Thanks, I would love to see him become a Bill, but between already having Milano, Bernard, and Dorian taking a LB inside the first 4 rounds feels improbable. Especially considering our other needs, and where we pick, I just can’t see the draft falling in a way where it would make sense we got him. He is going to go earlier than we can logically get him, especially not having a 3rd rounder. And he is going to go in an area of the draft where we should be in the market for one of the other more pressing holes on this team. But I like his potential and ability to both cover and bring pressure on the QB.

Good pick and I like the player comp to Floyd too.

With the 78th pick in the 2024 NFL Draft, the Washington Commanders select: Jeremiah Trotter Jr, LB, Clemson Almost our selection earlier this round, we are thrilled to see Jeremiah still on board after picking up Austin Booker at DE previously. With his pass coverage and pass rush abilities we believe he can come in right away and compete to start and be an important part of our defense moving forward. A lot of his play reminds us of Fred Warner and we think he has that kind of potential. We are thrilled with our draft so far with another pick later this round still to come. Draft Recap so far: 2 - Drake Maye, QB North Carolina 36 - Ladd McConkey, WR, Georgia 40 - Cooper Beebee, OL, Kansas State 67 - Austin Cooper, DE, Kansas 78 - Jeremiah Trotter Jr, LB, Clemson 100 - TBD @TOboyand the Atlanta Falcons are on the clock.

Hey that’s the future of the Buffalo Bills I’m feeding here. Heir to the Allen throne and I’ve got his stud LB brother to anchor and captain the defense in the wife’s Belly due in October too. I’m just doing my part to save the future of the franchise. What did you do this morning to help the Bills future? Probably nothing you lazy bastard 😂😂😂

With the 67th pick in 2024 draft, the Washington Commanders select: Austin Booker, DE, Kansas We were thrilled to see Austin still here and are excited to bring this explosive edge rusher who’s loaded with potential while coming a little more raw than some of his fellow prospects. We have confidence in our new staff to help Booker reach his potential and tap into the explosiveness at the next level. @TPSand the Dumb England Cheatriots are on the clock

I’ll make a pick within 30 min. It’s 7:30am here and need to change and feed my 10 month old son first

So youre telling me Sammy was too mentally weak then, meaning he was always doomed. He went on to play with 4 of the best coaching staffs in the NFL, 2 first Ballot HOFers, 3 multiple MVP winning QBs, and one of the best offense minds in football. Yet you want to pretend because his start in Buffalo didn’t go perfect he was ruined forever? Lol But forget about Sammy. Name one team in NFL history that won a Super Bowl from an expensive trade up (multiple premium picks) for a WR. In the last 20 years, only 2 SB winning teams had a WR1 taken in the first 20 picks…Mike Evans (taken after Sammy) and 18 years go Marvin Harrison. You want a cautionary tale, how about it’s worked 0% of the time in NFL history. And that includes trading a bunch of picks for a proven one, not just rookies. This is maybe the best WR draft in NFL history too.

Huh? He played with McVay and Goff, then Mahomes, Rodgers, and Lamar. How many MVPs does he have to play with to reach his potential? LOL

Best reply of the off season.

Thats not an equal comparison. WR has never been the missing piece on a Super Bowl team. QB almost always has.

Nice post, really good actually, and I’m on the same page with most of this and agree with what you are saying. Admittedly, I think the only major difference is I have a higher level of confidence in Shakir being able to be capable to make some of those down field plays moving forward. And to just make sure there is no confusion, I am not projecting him to be that boundary deep type WR or even that he would play a lot there. But I do think he can be a Deebo Samuel type WR with better hands. Someone who is a menace in the short to mid areas of the field who is a dangerous YAC player and has the speed and savvy to take it up field or even to the house. I have no delusion, our future boundary and WR1 is coming from this draft. And I think it’s plausible we take a second WR on day 3 who can play on the boundary.

Ok, show me a team that won a Super Bowl after investing multiple first round picks into a WR. Just find me one to show me it’s a worthy investment.

In the real draft, not all of those WR's will be gone before we pick at 60. There is a lot of positions that may not see any activity in round 1 or very little that come into play in round 2 like LB, S, and RB to go along with a plethora of the second tier guys on DL, CB, and OL. This is rich and deep draft at WR, teams are not going to feel the pressure to press for one and more teams will take another position than people think that is going to see more fall off than WR will. Totally get people are split on where Legette will go. And I am in the camp that thinks Legette is a 2nd rounder, but probably 2nd half of the 2nd round. Doesn't mean he makes it to 60, but I do think he would be in a trade up range that isn't too expensive if Beane went another direction in the first and looked to make a move up in the 2nd. To be clear, I much prefer getting a WR somewhere in the first and not waiting too. Only discussing since we know its possible we don't get a WR in the first.

I do think they could move up for Thomas too, how far is up for debate. My guess is the same as you, probably needs to get to 20 or later. If we don't move up, then I think in the post Diggs era now that someone like Ladd McConkey who has that elite route running ability we are losing with Diggs becomes much more in play than before. In fact, I have a feeling the only 2 we would look at with pick 28 is Mitchell or McConkey. We could also move back and try and pick up say a 3rd this year and maybe still get McConkey, although I don't think he would make it past both Balt and KC personally. I have been very high on McConkey but wasn't sure if he would be high on the Bills board with Diggs here. But Diggs trade I think elevates his potential to us and he is my WR5 on board behind Thomas. Followed by Mitchell as the 6 guys I think we could take in the first. Not sold they would stay at 28 and take one of the other WR's. Could see them trading back a little bit or taking another position and then making a move for a WR in the 2nd. Be awesome if we could trade back a little bit and get back a 3rd and still get one of McConkey, Legette, Mitchell, etc.

Ok...how about this. There has never been a team who traded multiple first round picks for any WR that then won a Super Bowl. Or, in the last 20 years, one 2 Super Bowl winning teams had a top 20 drafted WR1 on the roster (Mike Evans and 18 years ago Marvin Harrison). How good was Randy Moss? How about Calvin Johnson? What about Julio Jones? These are considered to be amongst the GOATS and the most unguardable as it gets at WR and none of them have a SB ring. We just had Diggs for 4 years who was top 3 or top 5 WR during that span and didn't get us to but one AFCCG. Don't get me wrong, I want an elite WR as much as anyone to pair with Allen. But you don't mortgage your future for one, it isn't the recipe to get over the hump. Plus, this is Buffalo, its much more important to win in the trenches in those bad weather games late in the season and playoffs then try and win through the air in that bad weather. Not saying we can't trade up at all, just can't pay QB level compensation, especially in a draft that is maybe the best ever in talent and depth for WR's.

We did that with Sammy Watkins and they he turned out to not be the Alpha stud his draft hype made him out to be in a loaded WR class. We traded for Diggs because we had no shot at the elite 3 of Ruggs, Jeudy, and Lamb just to see Ruggs go bye bye, Jeudy be meh at best, and the best WR to be the guy who was on the board when we would have picked in Justin Jefferson who has a case as the best WR in the NFL right now. So just saying, its a lot to risk when so often the most hyped guys are not the best ones to emerge from the draft when you are talking about a loaded class. Would I be excited to get MHJ, Nabers, or Odunze...absolutely. But I really have a hard time spending QB level draft compensation to go get a WR in maybe the best WR draft ever.

Gotcha...misunderstood what you were saying about that, so thanks for clearing that up. To be clear, I am pretty sure he only had 3 drops as a rookie not 4. 2 in the reg season and the one playoff one you mentioned that was overturned on replay. But the one everyone harps on is the playoff one. Except they forget that was a rookie who had just 20 regular season targets in a playoff game catching a bullet rope from Allen that traveled on a rope 60 yards in the air. Should he have caught it, definitely, and he almost did, ball touched the ground on the roll over. But should that play now define him forever in terms what he can or can't do? No. Make no mistake about it, catching passes from a cannon arm like Allen takes time to adjust to. Ball gets there way faster and harder than you expect, and it takes reps and time to build up that timing and chemistry. Ask any WR or QB they will not only tell you the same, but also tell you its even more important than even I am saying. Shakir got just 20 targets all reg season, he was behind McKenzie and then Cole all year and playoffs. He wasn't getting a lot of first team reps. And he was now in his first playoff game catching a 60 yard pass on a rope from Allen. Still should have caught it, just saying maybe lets not define his career arc on what he can or can't do on this one single play. Its not like Diggs, Hill, Jefferson, etc haven't dropped easier passes than this one too, it happens. As far as training camp...I know that you and I both know that camp reports are useless and people get overly excited or down every camp over them. Perfect example...Shakir vs Gabe Davis. Davis was once again the "star" of camp and an unstoppable monster this same camp. How did that play out for Davis? Still meh...still dropping passes. Still disappeared. Meanwhile couple drops were mentioned out of the thousands of reps and drills they run in camp by Shakir and now everyone was like he sucks, cant catch, is nothing but a 4th or 5th WR who then goes out and leads the NFL in catch rate and led the Bills in receiving under Joe Brady. So yeah...lets not talk about camp news as if that is any indicator of anything. I know you feel the same way about that because you get mad when people were believing the hype on Davis or amping up some camp fodder scrub. And for the record...I agree with the bolded too above. Keep in mind, I am not claiming him to be a boundary WR, just saying he will be more than a typical slot WR and can move around.

FWIW...Here is Josh Allen, Kyle Allen, and Jordan Palmer with high praise for Shakir and Allen talking about keeping his momentum going this year. From an interview last week. CLICK HERE FOR CLIP DISCUSSING SHAKIR The whole interview is a fun one if you want to watch the whole thing. I clipped the Shakir part which is about 45 seconds, but whole interview is just over 8 minutes. Josh talks about WR's in the draft, talks up Kincaid and Shakir, and there is a funny golf story between the 3 of them at the end as well. Below is a link to the full interview if you rather watch the full interview. High praise for Kincaid was good to hear too, another guy I am excited to see grow now with Diggs and his 160 target volume gone.

Absolutely fair points...the way I see it though is that this offense has more talent on it than people give it credit for now and will be adding more talent to the WR group here shortly. And with the spread the ball around offense we have, its going to be hard for them to key on Shakir maybe much more than they have because Kincaid is likely going to be even better, Samuel is still got to be considered, and whatever outside WR(s) we add are as well like in the draft or maybe by trade (but most likely early in the draft).