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  1. The call was very close and probably could have gone either way. More often than not, they probably don't call that. But, by the letter of the law, I do think it was a foul. If you pause the video at the exact moment that he makes contact, his left foot is about one foot from the goal line (which you can see because it has been cleared off). When his foot next moves, it is on the goal line. So, at best, his back (right) foot could have been on or near the the one yard line, but the majority of his body had to be beyond the one yard line. It was a clear pick play. He wasn't going out for a pattern, he was there to pick the defenders off. I believe the one yard rule is really to allow a WR to block on a running play, not to allow pick plays (as long as its near the line of scrimmage). So, by both the letter and the spirit of the law, it was probably the right call, even if the refs often don't make that call on similar plays.
  2. A few things about the article and/or posts in this thread... 1. I'd only be mad if Kelly wasn't on the list at all. As others said, it's somewhat subjective. I'd have him a bit higher, but this list is obviously weighing Super Bowl wins as one of the most significant factors. 2. The idea that the NFC was great and the AFC was pathetic during the Bills Super Bowl runs is actually a fallacy. The Bills also dominated the NFC in the regular season during those years and the records of the AFC vs. NFC were pretty even. It was just that during the Super Bowl years, the NFC had, say 2 or 3 of the top 3 or 4 teams in the NFL (the Bills being the lone AFC team) each year. But it wasn't like the NFC was stacked top to bottom and the AFC was pathetic. It was actually pretty even outside of those few dominant teams winning Super Bowls. The Bills may have had, say, one easier playoff game each season than their NFC opponent, but it's not like they had a cakewalk thru the season, while the NFC teams were playing All-Star rosters every week. And the Bills did beat the Giants in the regular season the same year as they lost the Super Bowl to them, they beat Dallas in the regular season between their two Super Bowl loses to them, they beat the 49ers in the regular season during their prime, etc. It's not like the Bills beat up on terrible AFC teams, but couldn't also beat the cream of the crop of the NFC (unfortunately, just not in the Super Bowls). 3. The idea that Marv Levy was a bad coach or even just not that good, has to be put to bed also. Yes, that team was stacked with talent, but there were also a ton of egos. Levy led those men and got them all pulling in the same direction, playing as a team and family. A lot of coaches wouldn't have been able to pull it off with that bunch. The NFL has seen a lot of very talented teams that didn't win squat because they couldn't come together. Coaching is a hell of a lot more than just Xs and Os. And for all of the Levy getting outcoached talk, he was two feet away from beating two genius coaches (Parcells and Bellichick) in a Super Bowl. And if you say it's only because the Bills had more talent, well, I would again point out the week 15 game in that same season where the Bills won a hard fought 17-13 game against those same G-Men. Those teams were actually very evenly matched. Or if the Giants were so devoid of talent that year, how did they beat Montana and Rice's 49ers in the NFC Championship game? And a last point on talent level, in 1990, the Bills had 5 first team All Pros, the Giants had 4 1st team All Pros (Bills had 3 second teamers, Giants had 2 second teamers). The Bills had 10 Pro Bowlers, the Giants had 8 Pro Bowlers. Not that big of a gap. As for Washington in the 3rd Super Bowl, what can you say but they were a team of destiny that year. And although I hate to admit it, Dallas was just a better team than the Bills by the last two Super Bowls. But, other than the Super Bowls, Levy won a hell of a lot of games, a bad coach doesn't do that even with a talented team. In his 11 full seasons with the Bills, his winning percentage was 63%. He is 21st in overall wins by an NFL coach, 11th in playoff wins, and tied for 4th in most conference championships. And don't tell me it's just because the Bills had a lot of talent. On lists of great NFL teams, those Bills teams don't even make the top 25. Every great team had a lot of talent and every coach considered to be great, had great talent. Marv was a damn good coach. 4. Players I think are too high on that QB list: R. Staubach, A. Rodgers, T. Aikman, R. Wilson, B. Roethlisberger, K. Warner. (Aikman shouldn't even be on the list, as others said, let alone top 15. He was a good QB on an amazing team, not a great QB.) 5. And no love for Dan Fouts or Philip Rivers? Is there some anti-San Diego bias? 😉
  3. One play CAN make someone legendary. History and sports history is littered with people who became legendary for doing one thing. The reason the Lett play can be considered by some as making Don Beebe a Bills legend is because that play was a symbol of that teams perseverance, resiliency, effort, and never quit attitude. It embodied Marv's reading of the Scottish poem to his team after the first Super Bowl loss: "Fight on, my men," says Sir Andrew Barton, "I am hurt, but I am not slain; I'll lay me down and bleed a while, And then I'll rise and fight again." Sometimes a symbolic moment or being a metaphor, makes one legendary just as much as stats. Plus, Beebe was a part of that team and family for the entire run. Came in 1989 (the first year the team was good, the bickering Bills, etc.) and was there for the entire Super Bowl(s) run (left in 1994). He was one of THE guys. And just because he didn't have huge stats, doesn't mean he wasn't an important part of the team. First of all, he was on a team of All Pros and Hall of Famers. There were only so many balls to go around. Plus, you don't think the threat of his speed helped open the middle of the field for Andre and Thurman? In 1991, he had 7 TDs (1 in the playoffs). In 1992, he had 2 playoff TDs. He had 21 TDs overall for the Bills. That's not a gaudy number, by any means, but it is a pretty significant contribution to a stacked team vying for Super Bowls. Anyhow, depending on your definition of "legend" (as other have pointed out), you may or may not consider Don Beebe a legend. But, there is definitely no need to belittle his contributions to the franchise and that team. If nothing else, Beebe is a true Buffalo Bill. And that's good enough for me.
  4. This is not gospel of course, as every team is different (in where their talent is allocated and what offensive and defensive schemes they run), but the article linked below at least gives a basic breakdown for a base offense/base 4-3 defense (kind of an average): Offensive side of the football: (24 total players on 53-man roster: 2 QBs, 4 RBs, 9 OLs, 3 TEs, 6 WRs) Defensive side of the football: (26 total players on 53-man roster: 9 DLs, 7 LBs, 10 DBs---6 CBs, 4 S) Special Teams: (3 total players on 53-man roster, game-day roster 1 K, 1 P, 1 LS) https://bleacherreport.com/articles/1640782-the-anatomy-of-a-53-man-roster-in-the-nfl?report=reader I think we could probably go with 8 DL and 6 LB this year to keep an extra RB (Yeldon) and TE (Croom). So, 26 on offense, 24 on defense. So, from this guys 53 man roster, I would Add: Croom, Yarbrough, Stanford, Pitts, and Bush Drop: McKenzie, Sweeney (PS), Love (PS), J. Johnson (PS), C. Thompson (PS) [Unless any of the late round rookies really show out in training camp, passing a vet, I think its practice squad for a number of them. 6th and 7th round rookies are not locks anymore, just because they were drafted] Also on the outside looking in: S. Perry, D. Johnson (PS), E. Harold To me, it looks like the big decisions will come with the numbers at RB, TE, and DL this year. He has also had 8 fumbles (though only 3 of them were lost), over his two years in Denver and Buffalo. I assume that includes his return touches, which would make that 8 fumbles in 85 total touches (rush, rec, returns). McKenzie's value to the team last year was speed, special teams return work, and jet sweeps and slot work on the offense. I think John Brown could run the jet sweeps, Beasley and Zay take care of any slot duty, and Andre Roberts is a better return man who handles both punt and kickoff. And Foster and Brown are our speed guys. Heck even Zay is close with McKenzie (McKenzie ran a 4.42 40-yard dash at combine, Zay had a 4.45). I agree, I just don't know where McKenzie contributes this year.
  5. Or maybe he took some ballet lessons. It's a nice 4th position.
  6. Let's face it, Barkley is going to be the #2. Anderson was not going to see the field this year. I think what was great for Josh was when he got hurt last year, he got to see Derek run a week of practice, how to interact with the other players, etc. That wasn't going to happen this year. And with Dorsey here, they don't need DA as much for the coaching the kid up part, in the meeting room or on game day. Plus Josh isn't a rookie anymore. He still has a lot to learn, but he's been through a full season now and isn't quite as raw. And although Barkley hasn't had a lot of playing time in the league, he will be a 5th year vet this year. So he's got some experience as far as being a sounding board for Josh. But what I think the team needs more than DA's presence is his roster spot. There are going to be some tough decisions at RB, WR, OL, etc. That extra roster spot allows them to keep one more player somewhere else. Hopefully you can stash Tyree on the practice squad and you only call him up this year if there is an injury. And as far as a 4th arm for camp, they can grab anyone, an NFL QB not on a roster or an UDRFA who hasn't been snatched up by a team yet. There are lots of both of those types. The guy won't make the roster, so there are plenty of options if you just need an arm to play with your 3rd or 4th team WRs, etc. If this was totally Anderson's decision (and not the team saying thanks but we won't need you this year), then it is probably a blessing in disguise.
  7. Besides still having something left in the tank, as many of us have argued about Shady, the reason you keep him around is because he has become a team leader. He's never going to be a Kyle Williams-type of leader, that's not his personality. But, for a guy that at times in his career may have been perceived as a bit of a selfish guy (right or wrong), he has turned it around in Buffalo: voted a team captain, quickly built a great relationship with Josh, didn't complain about the team or line last year, and even when he was injured and the Bills had no shot at the playoffs, he was a great cheerleader...still involved in the game, running out to celebrate with players when they made a great play, etc. It is really important for the best players on your team to be totally bought in. And Shady is. First year in Buffalo, Shady obviously wasn't thrilled to be here. Going into his second year, he accepted his situation and started to like Buffalo and rededicated himself to the team and the process. But for me, I feel like there was one moment when Shady became a true Buffalo guy. (I may be mythologizing this a bit, but whatever.) It was his overtime TD for the win in the snow game. He scored the TD with his momentum carrying him towards the wall of the stands. But he stopped himself short of the wall and kind of just waved to the crowd (like there was still a literal and emotional distance between him and the fans---it was like he wanted to run over and embrace them, but didn't quite know how). Then his teammates mauled him, pushing him towards the fans and then the players and fans celebrated like mad with Shady in the middle of it all. I always feel like that was the moment that the last of Shady's walls fell and he became a true Buffalo guy. And I love McDermott as a coach (perfect guy for Buffalo), but one of the best things about hiring him was that he brought Brandon Beane with him. Beane is worth his weight in gold. To finally have a competent front office feels soooo good.
  8. How can you even take that list seriously? Goff at #5 over Brady, Brees, Rivers, Ryan, and Big Ben Trubisky at #13 Prescott at #17 Jameis Winston at #21 (above Allen, Carr, Flacco, Garappolo...does he really think Arians can make Winston into something he isn't?) Jackson and Rosen ahead of Allen I know he's looking at the entire QB room, but is Jackson/RG III better than Allen/Barkley/Anderson/Tyree? Does having Blaine Gabbert as a backup really propel Winston over the guys I mentioned above? Does having Blake Bortles as a backup really put Goff ahead of Brady and Brees? This list is a joke.
  9. Was originally going to argue for the velocity issue, but watching the drops video, I now agree that velocity really wasn't the issue (on Josh's end). And after watching last year, I really don't think he has an accuracy issue, except as LSHMEAB pointed out (bolded statement above). That was the only place where I felt he showed inaccuracy, on the dump offs But, even though velocity wasn't the issue, I wonder how much was just chemistry. Last offseason, the number one receivers were practicing much more with Peterman and even McCarron (neither of whom have a strong arm) rather than Josh. Josh's ball gets there a lot more quickly, and a good number of the drops came on scramble or out of the pocket plays (which are unpredictable), etc. So, although the drops were still inexcusable (as the majority were catchable balls), it may be partially due to a lack of chemistry, knowing how each other plays, how fast the ball will get there, the exact placement of the ball, etc. For instance, Foster had a better rapport with Josh early, but they practiced more together on the third team in the offseason. And as the season went on Zay and Josh seemed to be more on the same page (but it took time). Every QBs ball is different, so even if it wasn't a velocity issue on Josh, maybe it was partially an over all chemistry/continuity issue. Can't wait to see the improvement with both the new additions and with Josh having an entire offseason where he is the man and the WRs are practicing with him exclusively. And just out of curiosity, I watched the drops video again to tally up who had how many drops. I would note that there were 2-3 pass interferences not called (would have been hard for the WR to catch because they were being interfered with) and I would say 3-4 passes, while catchable, would have been pretty phenomenal catches (and therefore understandable that they missed on those). But the final tally is: 34 total drops in the video: Zay: 8 drops Benjamin: 5 drops McKenzie: 5 drops Foster: 3 drops Thompson: 3 drops Holmes: 2 drops Clay: 2 drops Murphy: 2 drops Taiwan: 1 drop Shady: 1 drop Logan Thomas: 1 drop ( there was one play I couldn't tell who it was---maybe Zay or McKenzie)
  10. We have a pretty good WR corps right now. The only thing that everyone seems to think we are missing is that true #1 type receiver. None of the WRs in this year's draft had that true #1 receiver label. So, why waste a pick on a WR who is projected to be a slot guy (as some of the top WRs in the draft were slated as) since we already have Beasley. Why waste a pick on a speed guy, since we have Brown and Foster. If there was a true #1 WR in the draft, I bet Beane would have gone out of his way to get him, but that just wasn't this draft. You don't grab a WR just to say we drafted a WR. To all of the fans who were upset that the Bills didn't draft a WR in the 3rd to 7th rounds I ask, where was a WR in those rounds that would be a true #1 WR (if there was one he would have been drafted by someone earlier---rounds 1 or 2)? Anyone selected that late in the draft wouldn't have cracked the starting lineup, so why waste a pick on one. And as for Metcalf, McDermott said it in his post draft wrap up, "I hate the word potential." These guys like to draft players that have proven it at the collegiate level, with 2-4 years of solid production. As to the OP's point and posted article though, yes, I feel bad for kids like Metcalf who get their hopes of being a high draft pick pumped up by the media, when it just isn't a reality.
  11. Sorry iinii, I didn't mean to come off so righteous...and it was kind of meant tongue in cheek, at least the part about your grandfather. I'm sure he was a good man.
  12. Sorry to be the one to tell you, but your grandpappy was wrong 😉 (to take it to an extreme) is your honor and integrity for sale? Is someone's loyalty for sale? Are your children for sale? Some things are not negotiable. Shady will be a Bill in 2019. As to the 30-year old RB wall, yes, it is legitimate. RBs on average do significantly decline starting at age 28 for normal backs and around 30 for elite backs. But, averages are just that. It means there are exceptions to those averages, otherwise the averages would be even lower. Since 1990, 31 RBs have had a 1,000 yard season over the age of 30. So, on average, at least one 30-plus-year old RB each season has a 1,000 yard year. AP did it last year at 33 years old. Frank Gore did it in 2016 at age 33 (and followed it up in 2017 with 961 yards at age 34). Tiki Barber had his two best seasons as a pro at age 30 and 31 (going for 1860 and 1662 yards respectively). Our own Fred Jackson had 1,277 yards from scrimmage at age 32 and 1,027 yards from scrimmage at age 33. Emmitt Smith had 937 yards and 9 TDs at age 35. All I'm saying is that to claim Shady is done with no evidence besides his age seems ridiculous. Our line stunk last year. Our backs were consistently met 2-3 yards in the backfield all season long. The only reason Ivory looked better at times is because he is a plow ahead runner. So, he took what was available. Shady on the other hand was always trying to make something happen, but when the entire line is breaking down, there is no where to go. So, you can blame him for trying to make too much happen last year and not just taking the meager gains that were there, but I saw no evidence that he lost a step. When he did get to the open field, he didn't look slow, he hadn't lost his juke moves. If Ivory was the better back, then why is he gone and Shady still here? If the O-line wasn't the problem, then why did they just completely overhaul it? And that is not even to mention our QB situation. Every team we faced for at least the first 8-10 games stacked the box because they knew we didn't have a passing game. To lay all of that at Shady's feet seems to be lacking a full picture of what was going on. Plus the reason so many backs slow down at that age (28-30) is not just because they get slower, but because of the serious pounding that workhorse backs take over the years. The body starts to break down overall. And as has been said many a times, Shady is a back who has avoided a lot of that heavy pounding due to his running style. He hasn't taken the big shots over the years, pounding into the line over and over. I just see no evidence that he is done yet. Plus, having Gore and Yeldon should keep all three backs fresh. Shady won't be asked to be the lone workhorse. They don't need him to have a 1,600 yard season. How about 1,000 for Shady; 600 for Gore; and 400 for Yeldon, or something like that. Provided the line comes together, I think Shady will have a very productive year and our running game will creep back into the top 5 in the league. Top 10 rushing seasons by a 30+ RB Player Yr. Age Team Yds. Tiki Barber '05 30 NYG 1,860 Curtis Martin '04 31 NYJ 1,697 Walter Payton '84 30 CHI 1,684 Tiki Barber '06 31 NYG 1,662 Corey Dillon '04 30 NWE 1,635 Walter Payton '85 31 CHI 1,551 Barry Sanders '98 30 DET 1,491 Priest Holmes '03 30 KAN 1,420 Warrick Dunn '05 30 ATL 1,416 Thomas Jones '09 31 NYJ 1,402
  13. It's hyperbole...and its good. Last draft, I didn't have a favorite of the four QBs. I was a little down on Rosen because of the rumored attitude, but was not even opposed to him. I just wanted the Bills to get one of the top four, preferably Mayfield, Darnold, or Allen. But Josh Allen and Buffalo was Kismet. First of all, he actually wanted to get drafted by the Bills, but also because of his small town, blue collar mentality. Then there's his leadership (he already has the entire locker room fully behind him, including the older vets). He's humble but also has a bit of cocky confidence and I love his competitive drive to win and be great. The resiliency he showed in both getting to Wyoming (sending out letters to D-1 schools when he wasn't recruited) and then playing at Wyoming is so Buffalo. Plus he played in a lot of bad weather in Wyoming. The football gods finally smiled down on Buffalo. We maybe didn't get the QB we wanted (depending on who you were pulling for), but we got the QB that we needed. My name is Folz and I have Josh Allen Obsessive Disorder.
  14. It's a good signing for the Pats, but still a big step down from Gronk in receiving and blocking. So nothing to worry about. He'll get his share of balls, but will never be someone you have to specifically gameplan for.
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