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If Gabe comes in then someone is leaving - Samuel or Moore. And it makes me think that if they are serious about Gabe that they may be looking to trade Samuel as I think Moore and Shavers are battling right now for one of the spots and Shavers plays special teams too on top of having some speed. And none of Gabe, Samuel, or Moore have any special team value, so really feels like Shavers is ahead on the battle at this stage. So kind of feels like if Gabe joins the team officially, there is a good chance it could end up being him and Shavers in and Samuel and Moore out.

No worries, I get it, I know what the OP was asking. My response is that IMHO the game tape on Diggs says and shows how talented he was. Talent and fit are very different things, and while Diggs had immense talent (still some of the best feet and routes I have ever seen), his personality clashed with the vibe of this locker room and wore down the relationship. And it was magnified by Brady's offense going away "featuring" a target which also allowed Josh to play less reckless and minimize mistakes by getting rid of those forced error turnovers. As far as the MVP goes, not having Diggs (or Davis) helped his case for the MVP because Burrow and Lamar had better stats, but Allen had a better record while working with less weapons around him.

Good write up, nothing really to add, pretty much agree with everything you said. I said before preseason began that Shavers probably ends up on the PS. But then after the rest of camp and the first preseason game, I posted that I think Shavers may already be ahead of Moore, and a big reason was not only was he playing better at WR thus far, but he was playing more and playing well on ST. Moore and Samuel at the end of the WR bench bring very little value there. For the Bills to keep no WR's that can help on ST much means those 5 guys better be balling, and they just arent. Now after the 2nd preseason game, I think Shavers is ahead in the competition with Moore. On a side note, Samuel hasn't done anything either to keep his job security up either. BUT - his advantage is worse contract to cut and he has experience with Josh, Brady, and the offense. So I think its Shavers or Moore and right now, if I had to bet on one, I would bet on Shavers. Would it surprise me to see them send Shavers to PS and keep Moore - No - but I still think Shavers is the betting favorite now over Moore.

This. I would say top 5, but he had a case for top 3 for his first 2 1/2 seasons here.

Palmer was a WR2 before here. Shakir is one of the most respected slot WRs in the league and starts anywhere he wanted to go right now. Keon is a starting WR entering his sophomore season who was on pace for 1000 yards as a rookie before he got hurt against the Dolphins. But you don’t see any WRs who would be more than a 4 on any other team? Sounds like you don’t know what you are looking at.

Hamlin is a backup Safety and totally replaceable - no doubt. But his replacement is not on this roster, and if they are, they certainly haven't stepped up to show it yet. Hamlin is going no where this year because Safety is currently our weakest position group and its not close. Rapp and Bishop will start, Hamlin will back up Bishop and the hope is that Bishop takes a step forward this year to be at the very min an improvement on what our Safeties did last year. The only hope in terms of someone replacing Hamlin is Forrest steps up - but I don't think I have heard his name mentioned even once the entire offseason by anyone and he is still at the back of the depth chart. So odds of that happening before the season begins seems pretty unlikely and he is teetering on being a roster bubble guy right now.

So you have decided Coleman and Palmer, before seeing them in a game this year, suck too. Got it.

lol - Never change Jimmy

I said it after the first preseason game that I think, and the race and battle isn’t over, but I think Shavers has edged his way ahead in this battle. And I was pretty confident Moore was going to make this roster prior to that, but I think Shavers is doing everything he can to change that.

Thats what the Bengals have been trying to do and can’t make the playoffs. That’s the Dolphins keep trying to do and haven’t done better than the 6th seed, missed playoffs last year, and never won a playoff game. That’s what the Pats tried and did better than any team in history until they lost to Eli Manning and the meh Giants. That’s what the Manning led Broncos tried and set the new record as best to do it ever until they got blown out by a run first offense with a game manager 2nd year QB. It’s the not the solution people think it is. Someone already said the correct answer - IMHO Miles Garrett.

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IMHO There is no chance Knox is getting cut, they love Knox and he is a key member of the offense

And the Lions last year scored the 4th most points in NFL history - so a lot of teams struggled covering their offense and wasn’t just a Bills. St Brown is an elite player too

And yet the Lions lost

I heard we are not well run, terrible at drafting, offense stinks, defense stinks, we are too boring, and our first preseason game predicts our doom. So are you sure we are not still in the "dark ages"? 😂

You want a real hoot - go read the insane reactions and the ridiculous stuff in the original Hard Knocks thread when it was announced. Some hilarious takes in there Those hot takes are not aging well especially for a select few lmao

One of the best posts of the offseason. Nice job sir

I feel your pain! I am part of a big mens group with a lot of big hitters in it from media, tech, music, leadership, business, etc. that meets every Saturday and has all these guest speakers come in. I remember sitting in the theatre on Saturdays (now we meet via zoom on Saturdays) listening to some of biggest crypto people in the game tell us all the time to just put $10k in Ethereum and let it sit. Same people who told them to buy bitcoin when it was worth nothing too (I wasn't in the group back then). Ethereum was at $6 then and that $10k would be worth based on todays price $7,888,033! I think it about all the time as I had the $10k to do it, but buying crypto was complicated back then, nothing like now to buy or use it, so I just didn't have the time or bandwidth to really dive into it as I had so much already going on with two businesses I was building and running at the time. There are guys in the group who literally made hundreds of millions getting in early on Ethereum in that group who now live in sick places in like Bali, Dubai, Costa Rica, Malaysia, etc. Oh what could have been lol.

So you expect Beane to see the future? If people knew the future do you think Jefferson would have been the 4th WR taken in that draft or would he gone first instead of Henry Ruggs? Maybe we should slam every GM who passed on Jefferson before the Vikings took him too because they all should have known a guy who played a lot of slot in college was going to be the best 1 or 2 WR's in football. Sorry, the hindsight stuff is a waste of time and not based in reality.

Ok so how did a thread on signing Cook turn into a turd session about pissing and moaning over WR's? I don't know whats worse - this being discussed in a thread about Cook or your rant that it seems WR's can only be drafted despite the fact we traded for Diggs who was a top 5 WR for most of Allens first 4 years of his prime.

Anytime someone says they can find a RB as good as Cook "easily and cheaply" tells me they play too much Madden

Dont get me wrong, I am with you on BTJ, was all over BTJ in that draft was hoping for a trade up as well as I knew the big 3 were not realistic. But as much as I liked him, he did still have some question marks. I had him as WR4 and Ladd as WR5 going into that draft, I was high on both, but I also liked Keon who I had just behind them. But there is a lot more that goes into those decisions to trade up/down or not at all. And in that draft, we were without a 3rd, just moved off some long term starters, vets and leaders on the team do to age and cap. The Bills were in a mini-retool year, and the FO even said as much. So entering that draft they were looking to maximize their picks and try and get back some as well. So its not so cut and dry to come back later and say "they should have traded up for this guy", not to mention, you need a willing trade partner to agree on a trade, and one you are good with too. And when we got Kincaid the Bills tried to trade up with the Charges who started the WR run, but they were set on Q and were not interested in moving back. And the belief was they were after Addison, so for all we know they did try and get a WR but settled for Kincaid when their guy was gone and moved up to assured themselves they got him. So its not so easy or always so cut and dry to say they should have done this or that either

One - Keon wasn't a first round pick because of a technicality we moved back 1 spot when Beane already said he was going to take Keon if no, even so it was still our first pick in the draft that we used on a pass catching weapon. Second - I love BTJ, wanted him in the draft too as I thought he was more realistic than Odunze wasn't - BUT...BTJ was not on the board when we picked so doesn't matter. Third - Kincaid was drafted be a receiving threat, his designation on paper is irrelevant, we used that first round pick on a pass catching weapon. Fourth - 3 of the last 6 drafts we used our first pick on a receiving weapon for Allen (Diggs, Kincaid, Keon). Fifth - 4 of our 6 picks in the first 2 rounds for 3 consecutive drafts prior to this year were offensive picks, including Cook who has become a major weapon for us we just extended. All of which are key starters for this offense heading into this season.

This was what I expected IF we got a deal done, and this was pretty much where my max comfort spot was as well after we saw the RB market contracts rise. This feels like a pretty fair deal on both sides, and I am stoked he will remain in Buffalo! LFG - Cant wait for the season opener!

All fair points, and I am not sold Shavers beats out Moore either. And while I think we only keep 5 WR's, keeping 6 is still a possibility. The problem is I cant see them keeping 6 WRs unless one is an important ST player like a returner which would make more sense to be Shenault, who did show well first preseason game as both a receiver and on ST. But who knows, definitely won't rule out keeping 6 where both Moore and Shavers make it, I just personally think its going to be 5 still. As far as when our 2 suspended guys come back, the issue is who would be out at DL? They are high on Solomon who seems to have taken some nice steps forward so far in camp this offseason according to reports. And they really like Carter and his versatility. All of our rookies are safe from being cut, and so is Bosa, Groot, AJE, Oliver, etc. There is no one there that is just "cuttable" IMHO - so they would have to find a trade dance partner which is certainly possible. We also have some guys on 1 year deals or last year of their deals, so they may not want to move any with next year in mind.