Will/Should Von be active vs. the Fish?

[GunnerBill]

5 minutes ago, MiracleAtRich1393 said:

And a post June 1 *trade* saves $17mil on 2024 cap... hmmm... any cap rich team dumb enough to take that on for a late round pick swap (we send the better pick)? Carolina?

 

I don't see that he has any trade value whatsoever. Maybe a total rebuild team would take him if we give them some picks too ha. Like the famous Brock Osweiller trade to Cleveland. But they were in full tank. I don't see a team out there in that space.

[BuffaloBill]

Have to trust the coaches on this one.  Von has looked to be a mere fraction of his former self so far.  

[NewEra]

10 minutes ago, mrags said:

I don’t recall Miller doing anything of worth in any game this season. Think I’ve heard his name twice all year. Pretty terrible if you ask me. 

Just because you don’t recall it, doesn’t mean it didn’t happen. Rewatch the KC game. He had 2 pressures on 3rd down that led to incompletions mid game and then he took Mahomes down the play after Toney’s Offside.  Mahomes got rid of the ball just as he was about to hit the ground.  Josh Allen probably would’ve been called for grounding in the play.  
 

other than those plays, he hasn’t done much of anything- I agree.  He’s been bad. It’s most likely my lack of belief in Jonathan coupled with my belief that Von Miller will be a capable player at some point.  I don’t know when that will be, but the playoffs would be ideal.  
 

again, I get why everyone would rather have him on the bench.  When he’s bad, he’s bad.

[CSBill]

Was he missed last week? I don't think so.

 

Let him heal; hopefully, he can come back and contribute next season.

[Pirate Angel]

He isn’t recovered, trying to get something out of that contract is hurting the team. 

[billybob71]

i don't think he plays this week. we will see alot of AJ tho as he has a knack for disrupting those quick wr screens and Miami runs alot of them

[WhitewalkerInPhilly]

I say yes. I have seen him pop in plays even if not in the stat sheet. Last week the worry was that he'd be a liability in the run game. This week, we need pressure on Tua and we need it fast. Give me all of the pass rushing specialists.

 

The only way I see him not active is if he just completely dogs it in practice, in which case we just have to cut him at the start of the new year. 

[atlbillsfan1975]

I still think he is going to make a game winning play this year. 

[MiracleAtRich1393]

1 minute ago, atlbillsfan1975 said:

I still think he is going to make a game winning play this year. 

[Kmart128]

Im gonna say Yes and yes... i think we rested him a week to make sure he will be 100% for this game. And I think Von coming off his injury could really benefit from a week off. We said preseasom we just need him for the stretch run and playoffs. I feel we are treating Sunday like a playoff game. However if Bills climch before SNF i can see another healthy scratch to get him some more rest for the playoffs

[Orlando Tim]

I am hoping the sit this week was just rest so he can be ready for the Dolphins, but this might be it for him because with a few exceptions this year he has been our worse DE in most games. 

[mrags]

22 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Just because you don’t recall it, doesn’t mean it didn’t happen. Rewatch the KC game. He had 2 pressures on 3rd down that led to incompletions mid game and then he took Mahomes down the play after Toney’s Offside.  Mahomes got rid of the ball just as he was about to hit the ground.  Josh Allen probably would’ve been called for grounding in the play.  
 

other than those plays, he hasn’t done much of anything- I agree.  He’s been bad. It’s most likely my lack of belief in Jonathan coupled with my belief that Von Miller will be a capable player at some point.  I don’t know when that will be, but the playoffs would be ideal.  
 

again, I get why everyone would rather have him on the bench.  When he’s bad, he’s bad.

Yeah I mean the mention of Jonathan is in a joking manner. Realistically. There should just be a 3 man rotation between AJ, Floyd, Groot. Maybe sprinkle a little Lawson in there on obvious run downs. I generally don’t have a need for Jonathan at all. But I’d rather a guy with some fire try and get in there bs a guy that looks like he’s completely packed it in. It’s not just his lack of effectiveness on plays that bothers me about Von. It’s his complete lack of effort that he gives. Just watching him go all out for 2 steps then standing upright when he knows he’s out of the play bothers me more than anything. Looks like he has zero care out there. 

[bmur66]

I only noticed Kingsley doing his Von impression taking the scenic route around the QB. Didn't notice much other than that so it's a toss-up I guess. Maybe getting deactivated will light a fire under his arse.

 

Edited January 3 by bmur66

[stlbills13]

Are there any contract implications if he gets hurt?

[Beast]

When the goal is to make Tua hold the ball just a tad longer than he is used to you don’t dress a player that has to double back to possibly get to the QB. You need ends to rush directly and get their hands up. That’s not Miller, especially right now.
 

This game, more than any game, Miller should not be dressed.

Edited January 3 by Beast

[T master]

As we have all seen in younger players cases when they come back from a ACL well other than AP that it takes time after they come back to get back to their old selves on the field just as it did with Tre he played last year but didn't get back to himself until this season .

 

So at Von's age i'm thinking it might take him this year just to get back close to the player he was before the injury . I wish there was a out in his contract for a bit of cap relief next season but he or most likely any other player wouldn't restructure for less over all money so were stuck for at least another year with him .

 

We can only hope he comes back next season and plays like he was prior to the injury  🙏 .

[longtimebillsfan]

11 hours ago, EmotionallyUnstable said:

Thoughts?

If the Bills follow the montra "you have to earn your playing time" than a huge, resounding NO!

11 hours ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

I do not think he should. Others are playing better. 

 

I do not think he will be. I think we've seen him in a Bills uniform for the final time this year. And perhaps ever.

Too expensive to cut.  Von will be back in 2024 season.

 

Hopefully he will find his mojo again.

[RunTheBall]

I’d have no problem activating Von for this game over Jonathan. If we are relying on the 5th DE to win a game for us then we are done anyway. Let’s see if an extra week of rest makes any difference, but the key is to limit his snaps and not to have him out there in high leverage situations. If he shows a spark and makes a play or two, then keep him active for the playoffs assuming we win. If he’s his typical Non Miller self, then deactivate him for the rest of the season.

 

I don’t think we cut him quick. They will give him next off season to get back into form and use training camp / pre season to evaluate. The money is just too much not to give him every chance to round back into form.

 

 

 

[buffaloboyinATL]

I said no on #2, but probably not is my true answer. It all depends on how he looks in practice, and if they believe he can start contributing. To me, he has started showing signs of improvement, but he is still nowhere near his old form.  He may get there next season, but it is still way to early to tell.

[SectionC3]

I’ll put on my conspiracy theory hat.  His performance has basically been bad all year.  Yet they didn’t sit him down until after the press conference in which he minimized the nature of the DV charges pending against him.  Part of me wonders whether that was the straw that broke the camel’s back and they just decided to sit the guy until they can get rid of him in the offseason.  

[boater]

Poor Von. He's a proud player with a highly distinguished football history. This situation must absolutely be eating away at him.

 

His likely Hall of Fame career is ending on a whimper, not a bang.

[dpberr]

If Von Miller is active at the consequence of Linval Joseph not being active, no.

 

I'd prefer having all of the DTs active for this game.  

[HOUSE]

Only if he guarantees it 

[Nephilim17]

I wonder if the Bills brass knows something about the accusations and that — in addition to Von's nearly invisible play since his return — is making them wary.

 

No proof just a question...

[Blackbeard]

As much as you all seem to despise our HC, McD has this D playing fantastically.   I trust his decisions here.  And honesty, it takes major backbone to sit him given the amount of loot the Bills invested.

[RyanC883]

of course, he will be.  McD will say he had a good week of practice, and that he has "experience in big games."  All true, perhaps.  But, this is a guy who is not fully recovered.  He should not play.  He's being outplayed on gameday by everyone else.  

[Freddie's Dead]

UNLEASH KINGSLEY JONATHAN!!!!!

[msw2112]

From what I have seen this season, no, he should not be active.  But I trust the coaches to evaluate how he looks in practice and then make the decision.  Between his age and his injury, he may be done.  Now that the Bills made the bold move to sit him last week, it would not be as big of a deal to sit him again.

[dollars 2 donuts]

13 hours ago, NoHuddleKelly12 said:

Life be lifein, as they say 🤷🏼‍♂️?

 

 

Am I the only one that notices that HUDS has been bringing the funny everyday, all day for the last while?

 

You're such a freaking beauty, HUDS, honest to goodness.  The Bills are in playoff mode and NHK has been right there with'em every step of the way with his jocular chirpin'.

 

Full steam ahead.

 

 

[KDIGGZ]

I hope even if he's not playing that he's engaged in meetings and teaching the younger guys what to do in certain situations. His experience is his best asset at this point

[Niagara Dude]

15 hours ago, EmotionallyUnstable said:

Thoughts?

He plays and I got money that he makes a big play,  book it!

[LABILLBACKER]

2 hours ago, boater said:

Poor Von. He's a proud player with a highly distinguished football history. This situation must absolutely be eating away at him.

 

His likely Hall of Fame career is ending on a whimper, not a bang.

There's 120 million reasons why I won't be shedding a tear.  I expected at least the same production he gave the Rams.  So far a collasoll disappointment. Burn it all down Von.

36 minutes ago, KDIGGZ said:

I hope even if he's not playing that he's engaged in meetings and teaching the younger guys what to do in certain situations. His experience is his best asset at this point

I guess that's better than nothing. Let's shut him down for the season and see what's left of him next September?

Edited January 3 by LABILLBACKER

[brianthomas]

Von was back to streaming video games on Twitch last night. I'd take this as a sign he's not going to be playing, but its anyones guess.

[Nextmanup]

15 hours ago, nedboy7 said:

Absolutely not. 

Yep, I voted "NO" and "NO".

 

Not worth a roster spot.  As mentioned a thousand times here over the last few weeks, I have moved on to hoping legal problems in Texas allow us to back out of his K and see ya later.

 

 

[nedboy7]

Poona has outplayed Linval as well.  

[NoHuddleKelly12]

2 hours ago, dollars 2 donuts said:

 

 

Am I the only one that notices that HUDS has been bringing the funny everyday, all day for the last while?

 

You're such a freaking beauty, HUDS, honest to goodness.  The Bills are in playoff mode and NHK has been right there with'em every step of the way with his jocular chirpin'.

 

Full steam ahead.

 

 

I can only ever hope to emulate, never duplicate what Donuts brings to the table—think of it as Bill Walsh to Sam Wyche, for example. 🤔

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

12 hours ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

The reality is every DE not named Floyd is unreliable.  I would role the dice the Miller can have an impact play or two.  Sometimes these veteran stars just seem to make something happen when it is needed most. 

Epenesa had zero impact plays last week. Neither did Rousseau.  Miller's presence alone may make McDaniel or Tua think twice when assigning blocking schemes.  Maybe that is enough to free someone else up.

 

Reality is, if we need our 4th DE to be a difference in this game then they have already lost. 

 

As always this game is solely determined on Josh being smart and accurate.  Bills should be able to put up 35+ on this defense.  Then you can put any body you want at DE to rush the passer the entire second half.  Hell you can even rush Dorian Williams from that spot if you want.  

 

Agreed. Situational only. He has the experience to make a big play. 

[Alphadawg7]

16 hours ago, FireChans said:

No x 2.

 

von is done. He has played his last down as a bill.

 

Nah, he has one more year here before they can get out of his contract.  Can't see any scenario where he isn't here next year just because of the contract.  The only thing would be if his off field issue progresses to where they can void his contract.  

 

I don't disagree that he, at least so far, looks done or close to done as a player.  I just don't think the Bills have any recourse until after this next season if memory serves me correctly regarding his contract. 

3 hours ago, Blackbeard said:

As much as you all seem to despise our HC, McD has this D playing fantastically.   I trust his decisions here.  And honesty, it takes major backbone to sit him given the amount of loot the Bills invested.

 

Its really surprising to me that more people don't see this or acknowledge this. 

[frostbitmic]

Von obviously isn't back to where he needs to be, and he'll be back next year unless he retires or goes to jail. Why take the risk that he'll get hurt again and miss all of next season too.

 

Floyd and Epenesa have been playing well and Lawson I'd have more faith in, that puts him at DE #5 or #6, Shut him down this week.

[26TrapDraw]

Gimme Epenesa on his jump swat interception of a Tua Screen and run it back for 6 all day instead of Non Miller.