Lil' Dummy McKenzie.........offical team character builder

[Niagara Dude]

8 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

Lil' Dummy is doing a bang up job of keeping would-be blowouts close with drops and turnovers......general physical awkwardness......and dumb decisions that cause Ken Dorsey to smash his hardware.

 

Sure.........they could be 6-0,  scoring 35 points per game with a better slot receiver and McKenzie on the sideline(like last week against Pittsburgh)..........but his bumbling has helped them learn how to win unnecessarily close games.

 

Here's to Lil' Dummy...........making easy wins difficult.   Dude is a character builder. 

 

He really shows more and more that he cannot are trusted to be a regular on the field,  You could go back to the Rams game when he cost us an interception early in that game.  I hope the Bills sign OBJ, don't get me wrong I like the rookie Shakir but I don't believe in rookies come playoff time,  you want experience. Von Miller played with OBJ and I trust he would not be repeating over and over how signing him would help our chances if he thought he could not play or be trouble in the locker room.

 

Either way McKenzie is not the guy,  even after his mistakes you see him laughing on the sidelines.  Those are the types of players we accepted in years past

[HOUSE]

I would think he is on the bubble 

To many bobbled or dropped passes 

[CapeBreton]

It feels like the Bills are trying to make McKenzie into something that he is not. He is just not that good and never has been, shouldn't be a starting slot receiver. He is a gadget guy, let's be honest. I'm not looking forward to him making mistakes in the playoffs when it's time to be clutch.

[TFBillsfan]

Win or lose, one thing is GUARANTEED on this board, someone will start a thread moaning and groaning about a particular player! Did McKenzie have a good name….no. 
 

Its particularly headscratching….the Bills are 5-1, playing some of the best football in the NFL, have played a tough schedule, managed thru injuries, getting contributions from everyone but sure let’s find something to complain about. That’s why it’s called a team sport.

 

Heaven forbid that some of you really struggle to just enjoy the win! 
 

LETS GO BUFFALO! 🦬 

[Teddy KGB]

1 minute ago, TFBillsfan said:

Win or lose, one thing is GUARANTEED on this board, someone will start a thread moaning and groaning about a particular player! Did McKenzie have a good name….no. 
 

Its particularly headscratching….the Bills are 5-1, playing some of the best football in the NFL, have played a tough schedule, managed thru injuries, getting contributions from everyone but sure let’s find something to complain about. That’s why it’s called a team sport.

 

Heaven forbid that some of you really struggle to just enjoy the win! 
 

LETS GO BUFFALO! 🦬 

a tough win overcoming McKenzie’s mistakes 

[ddaryl]

Time for McKenzie to be regulated back to gadget plays. He is just not a full time starter

[BillsFanSD]

I'm always willing to look past one botched play.  Allen did dirt the game-winning TD pass against Miami after all -- stuff like this happens over the course of a season and you have to live with occasional bad play.  

 

But McKenzie was just a flat-out liability on the field yesterday.  If he had made up for the fumble with an actual good play somewhere, that would be one thing.  But he had the fumble, the dropped TD on 4th down, and another big drop, and absolutely nothing in the plus column to balance any of those out.  If we had lost this game, everybody would be blaming the loss on him, and they'd be more or less right.  

 

I get that McKenzie is a great guy in the locker room, and he definitely has a role on this team as a gadget player.  It's just that this season is too important to carry him as our starting slot WR.  I'm ready to see what Shakir can do.  And if another WR happens to be available, I would not mind adding somebody for the stretch run and playoffs. 

[Don Otreply]

10 hours ago, DollaBills said:

what even is this image and this post LMAO

Day drinking…, just sayin, 😁

[Dablitzkrieg]

9 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

You didn't have to tell me. 

 

I know he's a dumb player in the heat of moment of NFL games...........and that ultimately mental mistakes like he is prone to get you beat.

 

He is the teams biggest turnover risk.........whether it be falling on his face on a kickoff......... fumbling a perfectly thrown pass into the arms of a defender in the Rams game.......running out the clock in Miami and causing Dorsey to lose his mind........or killing two should-have-been TD drives and failing to catch other passes today in KC.   

 

I'm sure he'll make an entertaining member of the media when teams stop getting tempted by his willingness to play for near the league minimum.    If Dopey Dan Orlovsky can be a QB analyst then McKenzie should have no problem making a living talking about football if he chooses.

.........settle down........

[mjt328]

2 hours ago, Freddie's Dead said:

Just....wow.  The McKittrick hate is off the charts for a guy that just makes plays, game in, game out.  First down catches, tough TD's, solid runs, he's made dozens of good plays for the Bills in his time here.  He had a bad game today, but the haterz were out immediately after the lateral, they didn't wait for the dropped TD and the dropped pass.  How many good plays does a guy have to make before he gets a little slack?  The Miami game with 3TD's and an 84-yard PR TD didn't convince you?  His 11-catch, 125YD game against the Cheats week 16 last year didn't convince you?  Apparently not, because you're holding a few bad plays against him:

 

The KR fumble against the Colts last year - I was told in the GDT that this was the "turning point" in the game, and McKittrick is why we lost.  We were down 17-7 and went down 24-7, then were outscored 21-8 the rest of the way, but it was all McKittrick's fault, got it.

The INT against the Rams that bounced off him.

Not getting OB in the Miami game.

The lateral and the other bad plays today (no argument, he had a very bad game today).

 

He also has 3 TD's and 10 first downs this year.  In contrast, Siran Neal got abused all day long, missing the tackle on the spin-o-rama TD by JuJu, and getting two defensive holding calls to keep KC drives alive.  But I didn't see a single post in the GDT about running him outta town.  Why does Wrap get the slack and McKittrick get the hate?  I just don't get it.

 

I'm a fan of Isaiah McKenzie.  But after yesterday, I'm done with him in the starting lineup.  

 

For every big play he provides, he also gives us some kind of mental mistake.  In the first six games of 2022, he's already given us multiple dropped passes (including one that led to an interception, and one that cost us a touchdown), a fumble where he wasn't paying attention... and his failure to go down in the Miami game cost us a chance to kick the winning field goal.

 

As Tony Romo said yesterday.  There isn't a defense in the NFL capable of stopping us on a consistent basis.  Almost every time we fail to score, it's because of a self-inflicted wound.  Not because the opposition FORCED us into a mistake.  If we fail to score 30 points in any game, it will be due to dropped passes, fumbles, penalties and other dumb errors.  Not because the other team outplayed us.

 

The Bills already have multiple explosive players.  Josh Allen.  Stefon Diggs.  Gabriel Davis.  Dawson Knox.  What we need from our slot receiver is consistency.  A guy we can count-on to make the tough 4-5 yard catches on 3rd/4th down and keep a drive moving.  McKenzie is the type of player who could make a big 15-20 yard play in those situations.  Or he might drop a catchable ball.

 

[The Firebaugh Kid]

I'm a huge fan of his, but Shakir should be getting more snaps than him at this point. Dude lacks focus. 

[RobbRiddicksTDLeap]

10 hours ago, FireChans said:

He was playing like he had money on KC and the points. 
 

His job is in danger.

I said the same thing! That trip in the end zone was like a bookie was whispering in his ear “go down”. 

[HOUSE]

10 hours ago, mrags said:

This is 100% correct.
 

And this is exactly the reason why we should make a play for OBJ. As much as I like McKenzie, and as no I as he is a great team guy, he is no ODB. This offense would be incredibly better with someone like OBJ. Shakir is very good and will be the future of this team a slot. But not yet. After we win the Lombardi this year should be fine. 

It doesn't need to be OBJ, he is not even an option till probably week 15. There are other guys out there. 

[Just Jack]

I'll go buy his jersey, that way they'll cut him before next season starts. 

[Coach Tuesday]

I reiterate my proposal: McKenzie and a 4th or 5th for CMC.  It’s a huge win just to get McKenzie off of the roster.  Use CMC as your slot/motion/gimmick variable on offense.

[Bangarang]

6 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said:

I reiterate my proposal: McKenzie and a 4th or 5th for CMC.  It’s a huge win just to get McKenzie off of the roster.  Use CMC as your slot/motion/gimmick variable on offense.

Obviously Carolina will think we are giving up too much and insist we don’t include any draft picks. 

[y2zipper]

He was really bad yesterday, but it was his first game coming back from a concussion and his athletic ability right now is worth giving him more chances.

 

The team knows that he isnt a full-time, assistant slide receiver finding ways to use him on sweeps and out of the backfield is a good idea and worth pursuing early in the year.

 

 

 

 

[Gisele]

McDermott took him off punt duty last year because he couldn't be trusted (McDermott's exact words).  That speaks volumes when your coach says he doesn't trust you.  Everyone has drops or fumbles but his are so frequent now that it's scary to have him involved in the offense.

[Billsatlastin2018]

11 hours ago, SageAgainstTheMachine said:

He's a weak link on the offense and I think you'll see Shakir getting more of those snaps as trust grows.  That said, there's no need for mockery.  He's had some really cool moments for the Bills.  Who knows if he'll make a critical play in a big spot in the playoffs?  

 

I think this.^^^^
 

ANY player can FUBAR it and there’s a get in line list from yesterday’s schedule. But, there have been several with McKenzie!

 

There can be NO weak sisters on a Championship team.

Look for the far more reliable Shakir to move up!

[Chuck Schick]

3 hours ago, Freddie's Dead said:

Just....wow.  The McKittrick hate is off the charts for a guy that just makes plays, game in, game out.  First down catches, tough TD's, solid runs, he's made dozens of good plays for the Bills in his time here.  He had a bad game today, but the haterz were out immediately after the lateral, they didn't wait for the dropped TD and the dropped pass.  How many good plays does a guy have to make before he gets a little slack?  The Miami game with 3TD's and an 84-yard PR TD didn't convince you?  His 11-catch, 125YD game against the Cheats week 16 last year didn't convince you?  Apparently not, because you're holding a few bad plays against him:

 

The KR fumble against the Colts last year - I was told in the GDT that this was the "turning point" in the game, and McKittrick is why we lost.  We were down 17-7 and went down 24-7, then were outscored 21-8 the rest of the way, but it was all McKittrick's fault, got it.

The INT against the Rams that bounced off him.

Not getting OB in the Miami game.

The lateral and the other bad plays today (no argument, he had a very bad game today).

 

He also has 3 TD's and 10 first downs this year.  In contrast, Siran Neal got abused all day long, missing the tackle on the spin-o-rama TD by JuJu, and getting two defensive holding calls to keep KC drives alive.  But I didn't see a single post in the GDT about running him outta town.  Why does Wrap get the slack and McKittrick get the hate?  I just don't get it.

His past play as a gadget guy/ punt returner/ Beasley replacement led to an increased role this year.  It just ain’t working.  The drops, stumbles, and no YAC ( which was supposed to be his thing) are obvious.  Especially compared to legit NFL receivers on this team and across the league. 

[Straight Hucklebuck]

The Bills need to learn from their past personnel mistakes and elevate Shakir. 

 

In the past they made Singletary play behind Gore, Gabe playing behind John Brown and Emmanuel Sanders, and not phasing Cole Beasley out when he was clearly running on fumes late last season. 

 

I've been in support of McKenzie getting more time his entire tenure with the Bills, but I do think that Shakir is just bigger, and has the instincts. He needs more snap count. 

[Bruffalo]

I can understand being frustrated with a player having a poor game but man this post is just in bad taste.  With that much vitriol you'd think he stole your wife. 

[thenorthremembers]

11 hours ago, FireChans said:

He was playing like he had money on KC and the points. 
 

His job is in danger.

I thought the same thing.   Maybe its crazy, but his mistakes looked odd to me, like he was trying to screw up. 

[Beck Water]

9 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

The Bills need to learn from their past personnel mistakes and elevate Shakir.

 

Shakir is on the 53 man roster and need not be elevated.

I think you mean "have him active", which he was last week and this week and likely will be going forward.

 

Shakir played 15 snaps yesterday, on which he had 2 targets and 1 reception.  The other, he got his hands on the ball and couldn't bring it in.

[What a Tuel]

2 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said:

I thought the same thing.   Maybe its crazy, but his mistakes looked odd to me, like he was trying to screw up. 

 

No, its crazy.

 

He had a rough game. This is an overreaction.

[Solomon Grundy]

7 minutes ago, Bruffalo said:

I can understand being frustrated with a player having a poor game but man this post is just in bad taste.  With that much vitriol you'd think he stole your wife. 

This is spot on, but I still rather see Shakir more. Let McKenzie reprise his gadget role

[Bob in STL]

McKenzie had a terrible first half.  The missed pitch out and fumble got into his head.   It’s over, move on. 
 

I think Shakir moves ahead of him due to him earning it with better play.  McKenzie goes back to gadget guy. 

[Bruffalo]

1 minute ago, Solomon Grundy said:

This is spot on, but I still rather see Shakir more. Let McKenzie reprise his gadget role

Oh totally.  I'm all for seeing somebody else start to eat at McKenzie's snap share, but we don't have to be mean about it. 

[TH3]

When does Crowder come back?

[BADOLBILZ]

9 hours ago, Billever76 said:

With a more aware player Bills would have a good chance to be undefeated..had Mckenzie ran straight obo in miami we get the chance for the game winning kick

 

 

Or if he just gets the yards and dives down they can have plenty of time to spike it.   It is easy to forget it wasn't 3rd down.  If he had run out of bounds they just end the game on the next play anyway.   He literally did the dumbest thing possible. 

 

To quote Bill Parcells......."Dumb players do dumb things. Smart players very seldom do dumb things."

Edited October 17, 2022 by BADOLBILZ

[NORWOODS FOOT]

I'm being repetitive, and I mean McKenzie no disrespect, but get that liability off the field. 

 

Our goals are more important than one player. Khalil Shakir's talent profile is FAR better than McKenzie's and Shakir has yet to make even one of the stupid mistakes we've seen outta Lil Dirty.

 

Make the FN change already!

[eball]

Li'l Dirty cost the Bills at least 10 points in the first half.  Not looking at Josh when he's a lateral option was mental error #1.  Tripping over his own feet on the 4th down pass was mental error #2.  The third first half error didn't wind up costing them (the wide open drop on a play that might have gone 50+ yards), but it showed a lack of focus.

 

I don't know what they'll do going forward, but that film review isn't going to be pretty.

 

In fairness to McKenzie, he has a very recent history of turning an embarrassing gaffe and subsequent benching into a refocused effort.  We'll see what happens.

 

[hemma]

I think the ‘performance scales’ are starting to tilt towards reduced/intermittent use of McKenzie.

Too many mistakes, both mental and physical. 

[Livinginthepast]

I hope he watches that game and it burns him up inside. I think he is way better than that and he needs to use it as motivation. His head wasnt in the game at all. 

[BillsVet]

Did anyone else see McKenzie laughing on the sideline after one of his patented gaffes?  A friend of mine commented that he did, but I missed it.  

 

 

[mrags]

1 hour ago, HOUSE said:

It doesn't need to be OBJ, he is not even an option till probably week 15. There are other guys out there. 

My point still stands. McKenzie is not the answer 

7 hours ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said:

The OBJ worship on this board is nuts. We have plenty of capable guys. Why not Shakir? Why not yet? Guy has produced plain & simple. OBJ is the massively overrated and not the missing piece. 

Von wasn’t either right? 
 

im the last one in this board that has been crazy about the OBJ love. I think it’s overrated. But the fact is, McKenzie has not stepped up in the role of replacing Beasley. He would absolutely 100% be benched in favor of Crowder by now if he was healthy too. I love McKenzie. One of the best personalities on this team and is absolutely needed in the locker room imo. But I’d rather keep him to a gadget guy with limited touches. He’s had 2 good games in his career. Maybe 3. Other than that he’s shown he’s not a starter in this league. He’s a #4-6 at best. 

[Dopey]

All I could say out loud was “ he’s really having a bad day”. I was hoping he would catch a late td. Feel bad for him. Having said that, shape up or ship out. 

[BillsShredder83]

10 hours ago, folz said:

I agree that Shakir should get more playing time (he's going to turn into a stud at some point in his career). And I don't know what McKenzie was doing on the missed TD pass (some weird stutter-step hop/mistiming it)? (To be fair, I have to go back and look again at the pass itself to see if he was trying to adjust to it---if the pass wasn't great...but still feels like it should have been an easy TD.)

 

But, I think I put the fumble on Allen. To me it looks like the decision on that play was at the mesh point. Either Josh hands it off to Isiah or he keeps it. Josh kept it, so at that point I believe Isiah is either going out to block and/or appear as if he is going into a receiving pattern. But when Josh turned upfield, there were three KC linemen waiting for him. He realizes he made the wrong choice and tries to flip it to McKenzie, who clearly is not expecting it. I don't think it was meant to be a sweeping option play, where Josh is the main runner and Isiah trails, waiting for the ball if Josh gets in trouble. You can see Josh cut upfield immediately, he is not sweeping outside. I could be wrong, but I think in the heat of the moment, Josh just tried to make a play...it wasn't McKenzie screwing up a called play. Tough to tell though when we don't know their full assignments on the play.

 

And the play that McKenzie got blown up on...well, how can anyone blame him for not hanging onto that ball. Again, Josh kind of hung him out to dry on that play.

 

So, no doubt, a game that McKenzie will want to forget...but I only really ding him for not reeling in the TD pass. And that happens even to the really good receivers sometimes (Diggs just missed one recently). All this talk of cutting him, etc. is just overreaction. I guarantee you that Isiah will still make some important plays for this team this year.

All respect I think you're wrong. Josh cut up field because the play is intended to make a def player commit, once a commitment is made is when josh either keeps or flips.

 

There's really no excuse for not being ready when you are the option. Especially nit with an aggressive player like josh.. he acted like this was a random uncalled lateral 

[BADOLBILZ]

47 minutes ago, BillsVet said:

Did anyone else see McKenzie laughing on the sideline after one of his patented gaffes?  A friend of mine commented that he did, but I missed it.  

 

 

 

 

Yeah it was after the botched lateral.   Later in the drive they showed him again and he had a concerned look.   He's a screwball.  Part of his charm with teammates is his inappropriateness.   I believe he made a joke about Micah Hyde's neck last week that Micah didn't care for.   Young men like to have a clown like that around but the problem is that his lack of situational awareness carries over to the field. 

[DrDawkinstein]

13 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

Lil' Dummy is doing a bang up job of keeping would-be blowouts close with drops and turnovers......general physical awkwardness......and dumb decisions that cause Ken Dorsey to smash his hardware.

 

Sure.........they could be 6-0,  scoring 35 points per game with a better slot receiver and McKenzie on the sideline(like last week against Pittsburgh)..........but his bumbling has helped them learn how to win unnecessarily close games.

 

Here's to Lil' Dummy...........making easy wins difficult.   Dude is a character builder. 

 

 

Thank you.

 

Been saying it all along. He isnt mentally sharp or focused enough to be part of this team.

 

It always something with this dude.

 

Josh, Diggs, Davis, Knox are all dialed-in at all times, ready for anything, and hyper focused on doing their jobs. McK is obviously not.

 

He is a liability, and I do not trust him one bit out on the field with the Super Bowl in the balance. It is 100% Shakir time, and only go to McKenzie if we have no other choice.