Lil' Dummy McKenzie.........offical team character builder

[SBbeliever]

56 minutes ago, Doc said:

Shakir has 2 weeks to practice as the starting slot WR. 

I really hope this happens.

[BananaB]

We lost Beas and McKenzie ain’t his replacement. I thought he could do it and was  big supporter of the change but somethings missing there. Negative plays kind of haunt him. He cost us some points today in the biggest game of the year.

[GreggTX]

I lose a little respect for people that give a guy like McKenzie an insulting label like "Lil' Dummy". Does he not work hard? Is he not talented enough to make an NFL roster in multiple seasons? Is he a disruptive presence in the locker room? Yes he's been playing poorly and his future is uncertain, but why the disrespect? I could see it if he wasn't making the effort, but that's not the case. He's not making a fool of himself online like so many others have done. He's not trying to blame someone else so he's being a man about it.

 

By the way, the pass from Allen was well behind him. Maybe he should anticipated that and 'sat down'? The responsibility for the fumble is questionable, but it looked like #6 should have turned sooner. Maybe that's the way they practiced it and the lateral was an instant too soon. In any case, Isiah played poorly, yet deserves both criticism and respect. Those 2 things are not mutually exclusive.

Edited October 17, 2022 by GreggTX

[Joe Ferguson forever]

Look, I was disappointed.  Bu😀t that video...c'mon man!  Shakir should be starter.  McKenzie had an excusable bad day.  Shakir is better

[RyanC883]

1 hour ago, appoo said:

He had a bad game but this is just plain mean. He’s still human, not like he intentionally played poorly. He’s playing hard, and that’s all you can really ask for. 
 

He needs to play better if he wants to keep his job but I have zero doubts about him culturally or effort

 

Agreed. If he is playing poorly it’s really on MCD or Dorsey to put someone else in (Shakir?).  It’s not like McKenzie is a slacker. 

[Rc2catch]

It’s pretty over the top disrespectful,  I don’t see any reason to shade a player so badly on a team you are a fan of. He’s been a great kid who has busted his butt and stepped up in the past when called upon. 

That said he was very effective as a change of pace gadget player and the team would probably be better suited if he returned to a reduced role. Shakir has earned more snaps 

[Malazan]

This thread is the epitome of 'Tell us you need attention without saying "I need some attention"'

 

Clearly designed to elicit responses by saying something outlandish. 

[Joe Ferguson forever]

1 minute ago, Malazan said:

This thread is the epitome of 'Tell us you need attention without saying "I need some attention"'

 

Clearly designed to elicit responses by saying something outlandish. 

how bought "go jump in the lake" or something I'd otherwise be punished fro...

[BADOLBILZ]

7 minutes ago, GreggTX said:

I lose a little respect for people that give a guy like McKenzie an insulting label like "Lil' Dummy". Does he not work hard? Is he not talented enough to make an NFL roster in multiple seasons? Is he a disruptive presence in the locker room? Yes he's been playing poorly and his future is uncertain, but why the disrespect? I could see it if he wasn't making the effort, but that's not the case. He's not making a fool of himself online like so many others have done. He's not trying to blame someone else so he's being a man about it.

 

By the way, the pass from Allen was well behind him. Maybe he should anticipated that and 'sat down'? The responsibility for the fumble is questionable, but it looked like #6 should have turned sooner. Maybe that's the way they practiced it and the lateral was an instant too soon. In any case, Isiah played poorly, yet deserves both criticism and respect. Those 2 things are not mutually exclusive.

 

 

He's a dumb football player and it regularly shows up on gameday.   Nickname = accurate.

 

If you think losing the respect of some sad-sack mother hen fan because I call the guy out for his mounting, costly errors matters to me.........think again ol' timer. 

 

McDermott wisely benched him last year and Lil' Dummy took shots on his TV show at McDermott for that........and later took shots at the coaching staff after the season with regard to the controversial end of the AFC divisional game........he's fortunate that he even got invited back.   Hopefully some "inactives" are in his near future.   

 

 

 

 

[Joe Ferguson forever]

2 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

He's a dumb football player and it regularly shows up on gameday.   Nickname = accurate.

 

If you think losing the respect of some sad-sack mother hen fan because I call the guy out for his mounting, costly errors matters to me.........think again ol' timer. 

 

McDermott wisely benched him last year and Lil' Dummy took shots on his TV show at McDermott for that........and later took shots at the coaching staff after the season with regard to the controversial end of the AFC divisional game........he's fortunate that he even got invited back.   Hopefully some "inactives" are in his near future.   

 

 

 

 

So what say u on Cook?  All the dumbs, none of the ethic.  I'll take ethic over smarts, every time.

Edited October 17, 2022 by redtail hawk

[folz]

I agree that Shakir should get more playing time (he's going to turn into a stud at some point in his career). And I don't know what McKenzie was doing on the missed TD pass (some weird stutter-step hop/mistiming it)? (To be fair, I have to go back and look again at the pass itself to see if he was trying to adjust to it---if the pass wasn't great...but still feels like it should have been an easy TD.)

 

But, I think I put the fumble on Allen. To me it looks like the decision on that play was at the mesh point. Either Josh hands it off to Isiah or he keeps it. Josh kept it, so at that point I believe Isiah is either going out to block and/or appear as if he is going into a receiving pattern. But when Josh turned upfield, there were three KC linemen waiting for him. He realizes he made the wrong choice and tries to flip it to McKenzie, who clearly is not expecting it. I don't think it was meant to be a sweeping option play, where Josh is the main runner and Isiah trails, waiting for the ball if Josh gets in trouble. You can see Josh cut upfield immediately, he is not sweeping outside. I could be wrong, but I think in the heat of the moment, Josh just tried to make a play...it wasn't McKenzie screwing up a called play. Tough to tell though when we don't know their full assignments on the play.

 

And the play that McKenzie got blown up on...well, how can anyone blame him for not hanging onto that ball. Again, Josh kind of hung him out to dry on that play.

 

So, no doubt, a game that McKenzie will want to forget...but I only really ding him for not reeling in the TD pass. And that happens even to the really good receivers sometimes (Diggs just missed one recently). All this talk of cutting him, etc. is just overreaction. I guarantee you that Isiah will still make some important plays for this team this year.

[BADOLBILZ]

12 minutes ago, redtail hawk said:

So what say u on Cook?  All the dumbs, none of the ethic.  I'll take ethic over smarts, every time.

 

 

Cook is as yet unproven either way.    McKenzie is a proven turnover machine/drive killer.    That's why the Broncos released him in the first place.........he had double digit special teams fumbles in one regular and two preseasons combined.    If he's anything more than your 6th or 7th receiver option then you have a need for an upgrade to your receiving corps.    

[Punching Bag]

2 hours ago, Since1981 said:

He did just have a concussion—But, yeah, he should have sat after that cluster backward pass thingy

 

by the way people with concussions can be goofy and not even know it

 

 

Certainly.  A lot of them post.

[BigAl2526]

McKenzie had a very, very, bad, bad day.  I don't know that McDermott is ready to take the starting slot receiver position away from him yet, but he's got to start focusing a lot more and needs to elevate his play, or Shakir will get his opportunity to start.  I actually hope McKenzie comes around because I want to see Shakir develop both as an outside receiver and a slot guy.  I think if he has to focus too much on the slot, his development on the outside will be hampered.  

[Nextmanup]

Let's forget about the game and just post stuff showing women exercising.

 

 

[Buffalo Barbarian]

Time to sign OBJ

 

 

[GreggTX]

1 hour ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

He's a dumb football player and it regularly shows up on gameday.   Nickname = accurate.

 

If you think losing the respect of some sad-sack mother hen fan because I call the guy out for his mounting, costly errors matters to me.........think again ol' timer. 

 

McDermott wisely benched him last year and Lil' Dummy took shots on his TV show at McDermott for that........and later took shots at the coaching staff after the season with regard to the controversial end of the AFC divisional game........he's fortunate that he even got invited back.   Hopefully some "inactives" are in his near future.   

 

 

 

 

Here's a little advice from an "ol' timer". Don't try to match wits with people that are smarter than you. 

Edited October 17, 2022 by GreggTX

[Scott7975]

2 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said:

The jet sweeps have vanished. He's great on those but apparently Dorsey isn't a fan.

 

They took them out last season.  I dont know why.  It got stopped a couple times but big deal.  They ran a lot of different stuff off that motion and they worked great overall.  Never understood why they took them out.

[Scott7975]

Just now, ScottLaw said:

The pass was “well behind him” because the dude tripped on his own feet and fell.😅

 

Hes a clumsy spaz…..Really hard to trust him as an NFL WR. 

 

He should have caught it but the pass was behind.  

[Scott7975]

Just now, ScottLaw said:

The guy tripped on his own. That’s an easy catch by NFL standards if your not a clumsy *****. 

 

He tripped trying to stop his route to catch the ball because it was behind.  I said he should have still caught it but that doesnt change the fact the ball being behind is why.

[Billever76]

With a more aware player Bills would have a good chance to be undefeated..had Mckenzie ran straight obo in miami we get the chance for the game winning kick

[LABILLBACKER]

2 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

The guy tripped on his own. That’s an easy catch by NFL standards if your not a clumsy *****. 

I saw the endzone replay of that pass. It was absolutely perfect and on target until McK stumbled through his route. To say it was behind him is just lazy.

[LABILLBACKER]

9 minutes ago, Billever76 said:

With a more aware player Bills would have a good chance to be undefeated..had Mckenzie ran straight obo in miami we get the chance for the game winning kick

He's just not a very smart or athletic wr/slot guy. He has great straight line speed as a return guy but his wr skills have always been historically mediocre.  He will lose snaps because of his performance today and it's the right call. It's not about character or how hard he works.  It's about putting the best possible player out there. Shakir is that replacement. And if not him then a CMC/OBJ type player.  McKenzie's days are numbered. 

Edited October 17, 2022 by LABILLBACKER

[BuffBillsForLife]

Shakir hasn't really shown anything to justify giving him the slot job, but he also doesn't try to singlehandedly lose games for us either. If you look at all of the shoot-yourself-in-the-foot plays the Bills have had so far this season, lil' dirty has been responsible for way too many of them.  Start Shakir in the slot going forward.

[Billever76]

2 minutes ago, BuffBillsForLife said:

Shakir hasn't really shown anything to justify giving him the slot job, but he also doesn't try to singlehandedly lose games for us either. If you look at all of the shoot-yourself-in-the-foot plays the Bills have had so far this season, lil' dirty has been responsible for way too many of them.  Start Shakir in the slot going forward.

Shakir has shown the most of his very limited touches...he has come up with some big grabs...esp against Baltimore

[DallasMac]

27 minutes ago, Billever76 said:

With a more aware player Bills would have a good chance to be undefeated..had Mckenzie ran straight obo in miami we get the chance for the game winning kick

There was no way he could get out of bounds.  Watch it again.  The McKenzie hate is ridiculous.   The guy has 3 tds in 5 games played and shouldve had the game winner against Miami if Josh didn't bounce it off the turf.  He didn't have the greatest game.  It happens.  Neither did Shakir for those that want to prop him up.  

[Kenosha2Buffalo]

Mackenzie isn't going to have another performance like that , speed is an important distraction. even on off days he still helps guys get open. one bad game down, a lot more better outcomes to go.

 

[Scott7975]

49 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

I saw the endzone replay of that pass. It was absolutely perfect and on target until McK stumbled through his route. To say it was behind him is just lazy.

 

Its only perfect if he stops his route which is what he tried to do and why he tripped.

[Bermuda Triangle]

Unnecessarily douchey post, but on brand for OP.

[JoPoy88]

4 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

Lil' Dummy is doing a bang up job of keeping would-be blowouts close with drops and turnovers......general physical awkwardness......and dumb decisions that cause Ken Dorsey to smash his hardware.

 

Sure.........they could be 6-0,  scoring 35 points per game with a better slot receiver and McKenzie on the sideline(like last week against Pittsburgh)..........but his bumbling has helped them learn how to win unnecessarily close games.

 

Here's to Lil' Dummy...........making easy wins difficult.   Dude is a character builder. 

 

lol this is harsh in the most hilarious way possible, but not wrong 6 was bad today.

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

4 hours ago, mrags said:

This is 100% correct.
 

And this is exactly the reason why we should make a play for OBJ. As much as I like McKenzie, and as no I as he is a great team guy, he is no ODB. This offense would be incredibly better with someone like OBJ. Shakir is very good and will be the future of this team a slot. But not yet. After we win the Lombardi this year should be fine. 

The OBJ worship on this board is nuts. We have plenty of capable guys. Why not Shakir? Why not yet? Guy has produced plain & simple. OBJ is the massively overrated and not the missing piece. 

[Doc Brown]

2 hours ago, Scott7975 said:

 

He should have caught it but the pass was behind.  

Yup.  He caught a similar pass that was behind him on 4th and goal against the Pats last year.  I'm not ready to throw the towel in yet on him but it would behoove the Bills to give Shakir more playing time in that slot role to see if he can handle it.  Even Shakir had an awful drop against the Steelers that we would've lost our minds over if the game was close.

[Scott7975]

10 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

Yup.  He caught a similar pass that was behind him on 4th and goal against the Pats last year.  I'm not ready to throw the towel in yet on him but it would behoove the Bills to give Shakir more playing time in that slot role to see if he can handle it.  Even Shakir had an awful drop against the Steelers that we would've lost our minds over if the game was close.

 

Absolutely Shakir should get more snaps.  I think he has earned them.  Im not letting McK off the hook here.  He was crap today.  The pass was still behind though.  Thats all I was saying.

[GunnerBill]

3 hours ago, Scott7975 said:

 

He tripped trying to stop his route to catch the ball because it was behind.  I said he should have still caught it but that doesnt change the fact the ball being behind is why.

 

Yea it was not a perfect pass because as you say he had to stop his feet to wait for it. It is designed to be on time out in front. 

 

But Josh made a pretty good play falling back under pressure and McKenzie has to make that a touchdown. 

 

He had a bad game Lil' Dirty with that and whatever happened on the pitch option play on the first drive. Not heard any of the pressers did anyone say what happened there? I don't put any of what happened in Miami on him though.

 

I said in the week.... to me I'd transition towards Shakir in the slot. I'd still have it as a job share and there would be some man beaters in my playbook for McKenzie out of the slot but I think that should be his role. A guy who plays 35-40% on offense with a very specific package of plays. I think Shakir has a higher ceiling and is more well rounded.

Edited October 17, 2022 by GunnerBill

[Scott7975]

3 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Yea it was not a perfect pass because as you say he had to stop his feet to wait for it. It is designed to be on time out in front. 

 

But Josh made a pretty good play falling back under pressure and McKenzie has to make that a touchdown. 

 

He had a bad game Lil' Dirty with that and whatever happened on the pitch option play on the first drive. Not heard any of the pressers did anyone say what happened there? I don't out any of what happened in Miami on him though.

 

I said in the week.... to me I'd transition towards Shakir in the slot. I'd still have it as a job share and there would be some man beaters in my playbook for McKenzie out of the slot but I think that should be his role. A guy who plays 35-40% on offense with a very specific package of plays. I think Shakir has a higher ceiling and is more well rounded.

 

I agree.  McK should have still made that catch.  He played like crap today.  Shakir definitely needs more snaps.  Guy earned them after that clutch game last week.

[Heitz]

Rough game by McK, but at least our resident naysayers have something to gripe about in a win - if anything you guys owe Lil Dirty some gratitude for being an easy target this week…  🤣🤣🤣

 

That said, let’s see way more Shakir after the bye.  On another day, Dirty could have cost us the game!

 

 

[bmur66]

I hope he got some kind of award. Never should have seen the field in the 2nd half. Lil Dummy is his name from now on.

Edited October 17, 2022 by bmur66

[Freddie's Dead]

Just....wow.  The McKittrick hate is off the charts for a guy that just makes plays, game in, game out.  First down catches, tough TD's, solid runs, he's made dozens of good plays for the Bills in his time here.  He had a bad game today, but the haterz were out immediately after the lateral, they didn't wait for the dropped TD and the dropped pass.  How many good plays does a guy have to make before he gets a little slack?  The Miami game with 3TD's and an 84-yard PR TD didn't convince you?  His 11-catch, 125YD game against the Cheats week 16 last year didn't convince you?  Apparently not, because you're holding a few bad plays against him:

 

The KR fumble against the Colts last year - I was told in the GDT that this was the "turning point" in the game, and McKittrick is why we lost.  We were down 17-7 and went down 24-7, then were outscored 21-8 the rest of the way, but it was all McKittrick's fault, got it.

The INT against the Rams that bounced off him.

Not getting OB in the Miami game.

The lateral and the other bad plays today (no argument, he had a very bad game today).

 

He also has 3 TD's and 10 first downs this year.  In contrast, Siran Neal got abused all day long, missing the tackle on the spin-o-rama TD by JuJu, and getting two defensive holding calls to keep KC drives alive.  But I didn't see a single post in the GDT about running him outta town.  Why does Wrap get the slack and McKittrick get the hate?  I just don't get it.

[DJB]

Mckenzie is a character but he needs to stay off the field

[colin]

He's had some really bad plays this season.  He's made a couple, but overall he's not playing like someone who is gonna keep the position.

 

Palmer once said no one does more with more than Brady, and no one does more with less than Allen.  Sadly, that still seems true because outside of Davis and diggs (and for a couple games motor, yay!) Our O for being numero uno struggles for stretches.

 

We need knox or our slot guy or someone to step up and be that 3rd weapon.