If DK Metcalf is available for a first and a forth round pick would you do it?

[SectionC3]

Why spend that draft capital for a backup to Gabe Davis? 

[KOKBILLS]

Please...Don't get me started on Metcalf...I'm still pissed we did not take him...I'll start pulling posts from that Draft again...And that's a rabbit hole I'd rather leave behind because I still get angry...

 

But yes...In the world of fantasy I'd do that trade...

[JohnBonhamRocks]

Tough to say w/o knowing his contract here.

 

Purely value-wise, I think 25th overall and a 4th is fair, especially when compared what we gave up for Diggs (1st, 5th, 6th, & 4th the next year), but it’s close.
 

I’d feel better w/ just 25th overall. 
 

Wonder if any of our players could sent to SEA in such a trade…

[BuffaloRebound]

I’m sure Metcalf will want a huge contract in a year.  And it seems like a lot of rookie WR’s are ready to contribute Day 1.  I’d rather draft a WR in 1st round and sign a premier edge rusher in free agency like Chandler Jones than trade for Metcalf.  

[Gugny]

Yep.

[ProcessTruster]

No. 

 

Offensive production is not an issue for this roster, other than maybe drafting an big RB2 who can pass pro

 

Keep your draft picks and go sign Chandler Jones, releasing Hughes and Addison.   Use your # 1  on a fast fast corner .  There are quite a few in this draft.  Do not miss the opportunity.  

[Freddie's Dead]

No.

[buffaloboyinATL]

Jameson Williams at pick #25 will give us the speed we need, once he is fully healed.  Guys are coming back from ACL injuries much quicker than they used to.  

[Solomon Grundy]

NO!!

[ganesh]

1 hour ago, JerseyBills said:

Idk. I'd like to spend those assets elsewhere. 

Our QB just threw 9 TD in 2 playoff gms. I'm not worried about our WRs with Diggs Davis Bease and Knox already on the roster. 

I'd rather add an explosive RB to compliment Motor. 

or a stud LG and Center

[appoo]

1 hour ago, BuffaloBill said:

Would the Hawks trade Metcalf?

 

This is a highly unlikely scenario for many reasons - salary cap, impact to Diggs and likelihood that the Hawks just don’t let him go are at the top of the list. However, there are some uncertainties regarding Metcalf future in Seattle.

 

As for me, If the Bills could get him for a 1st and a 4th I would say do it all day long every day.  Could you imagine the nightmare matchups created with Diggs, Metcalf and Knox in the game as your base set?  You have all combinations of size, speed, route running, ability to play at every level and Josh heaving the rock.  

 

 

 

No I'd turn around and give that offer to the Falcons for AJ Terrell, but I'd also offer both picks we get for losing Lezlie Frazier

Edited January 28, 2022 by appoo

[No_Matter_What]

55 minutes ago, TH3 said:

Can he play OL?

FYP

[HappyDays]

If I'm giving up major assets for a WR, I want someone that can catch a 5 yard slant and run 50 yards. Metcalf is a one trick pony (and yes he does that one trick very well). I'd rather have Davis run his routes. Not saying Davis is anywhere near the same talent level as Metcalf, but from a cost perspective the upgrade isn't worth it.

[Alphadawg7]

1 hour ago, BuffaloBill said:

Would the Hawks trade Metcalf?

 

This is a highly unlikely scenario for many reasons - salary cap, impact to Diggs and likelihood that the Hawks just don’t let him go are at the top of the list. However, there are some uncertainties regarding Metcalf future in Seattle.

 

As for me, If the Bills could get him for a 1st and a 4th I would say do it all day long every day.  Could you imagine the nightmare matchups created with Diggs, Metcalf and Knox in the game as your base set?  You have all combinations of size, speed, route running, ability to play at every level and Josh heaving the rock.  

 

 

 

All offseason leading up to that draft I argued for DK Metcalf.  On draft night I pleaded to take him.  When we traded up in the 2nd I prayed it was for DK even though I was certain it was Ford.  When he kept sliding to the end of the 2nd, I pleaded to trade up and get him.  Loved him then, and would love him now.  

 

That being said...my answer is no.  I would not invest that much into the WR position, we don't need it.  He would be a monster here no doubt, but WR is not our weakness and Allen makes everyone better around him.  

 

I would much rather use the draft assets and cap space to address CB (Tre had as serious injury, and Levi is a FA), DT (Star needs a successor, and Philips is a FA), and Interior OL.  

 

Then make a trade to go get someone like Barkley who can be had on the cheap most likely given the Giants Cap issues and his injury history. Schoen is going to clear out the cap issues first, so send them Moss and a pick for Barkley.  

[Sweats]

I'd pull the trigger on that in a heartbeat

[BuffaloBills1998]

I’d rather take Adam’s. 

[eSJayDee]

1 hour ago, Jim Bob said:

 

He has one year left on his rookie deal. So, his cap number for 2022 is amazing. But, he will want to get paid after that.

Thanks.  So IMO this gives us 1 yr of service at a bargain rate (not worth sacrificing a 1st rounder for) & gives us an advantage at signing him long term at market rates, which we probably can't afford (we've got Allen & presumably retain Diggs).  So for me, it's no thanks.  I'd rather have Diggs, a great receiver whose production is known in this system, as opposed to a much more unknown in what Metcalf would do if here.

[billsfan89]

I see the appeal of a trade, a dynamic talent like that opposite Diggs (who could be moved to the slot) and Davis would be the best WR corps in the NFL. With Knox, Mac (if he is resigned) and Singletary great pieces in the passing game to boot.

 

But I don’t think that would be McBeane’s style. I think as they head into Josh’s extension they want to avoid trading for a player on a big contract or up for a big extension. A 1st round pick is a possible ticket to high end production for multiple season below the players market value.

 

Trading a 1st and handing out big cap space is a heavy investment into one single player. You are giving up significant draft and cap capital for a single non-QB player. Given the volatility of football injury wise it is perhaps better to try to build through the draft and retain talent you develop.

 

Long story short I think these types of trades are super risky. DK is a great talent but that’s a lot to give up when you already have very good WR’s and possibly other pressing needs.

[Billzgobowlin]

43 minutes ago, buffaloboyinATL said:

Jameson Williams at pick #25 will give us the speed we need, once he is fully healed.  Guys are coming back from ACL injuries much quicker than they used to.  

I'm starting to get on that train but I think defense needs to be upgraded too.  Maybe trade up for the DT from Georgia?

[billsfan89]

1 hour ago, SectionC3 said:

Why spend that draft capital for a backup to Gabe Davis? 

I think if the Bills did make this trade (which I do not see them doing) they would move Diggs to the slot where he would be super lethal (they likely cut Beasley to save on the cap) and have Davis and DK outside.

 

I think the differences between the Bills in 2020 that traded a 1st and 4th for Diggs vs the 2022 Bills is two fold. For one the Bills have Diggs a true WR1 on the roster in 2022, the Bills in 2020 were in desperate need of a WR1. Secondly Josh is on the final year of his rookie deal as opposed to just two years in.

 

Sustaining a good team around Josh is best done by retaining talent and drafting well not splashy trades giving up both draft and cap capital.

4 minutes ago, Billzgobowlin said:

I'm starting to get on that train but I think defense needs to be upgraded too.  Maybe trade up for the DT from Georgia?

I am hoping for Kenyon Green the guard falls. I think Green short term add tremendous depth and can push Bates and D Williams at both guard spots. Then he can take over for either player in 2023 and help sustain good Oline play around Josh for years to come. 

[Niagara Dude]

2 hours ago, BuffaloBill said:

Would the Hawks trade Metcalf?

 

This is a highly unlikely scenario for many reasons - salary cap, impact to Diggs and likelihood that the Hawks just don’t let him go are at the top of the list. However, there are some uncertainties regarding Metcalf future in Seattle.

 

As for me, If the Bills could get him for a 1st and a 4th I would say do it all day long every day.  Could you imagine the nightmare matchups created with Diggs, Metcalf and Knox in the game as your base set?  You have all combinations of size, speed, route running, ability to play at every level and Josh heaving the rock.  

 

 

Maybe we can trade them Cody Ford ,  lol! 

[Norcalbillsfan]

A deep big bodied threat would be nice but if we are trading big I think it should be a defensive game changer. Elite LB or edge rusher. Kinda seemed like defenses figured out dk this year too.

[TheBrownBear]

Speaking of receivers I covet, how the hell did A.J. Brown slide to the bottom of the 2nd round?  I'd give anything for that guy to be a Bill.

[starrymessenger]

1 hour ago, TheFunPolice said:

YES! What we're missing is a big target at WR, plus this guy is an athletic freak

To me Mike Williams also fills the bill. Word is that Bolts are looking to draft his replacement. This years WR draft is deep though and depending on whose available when we are on the board that’s where I would look in the first or second rounds. We went D at the top of last years draft. Maybe we should be giving Josh a better supporting class, RB, WR. O-line (center).

[Mr. WEO]

1 hour ago, Nextmanup said:

I would LOVE to see us upgrade the position.

Aside from the OL or finding a TE better than Knox, it's the most important thing we can do.

 

And folks want to talk about LBs for God's sake! 

 

Don't forget--Josh had the DEAD LAST WORST YAC in the NFL this year!

 

Get another stud so that when KC takes Diggs out of the game, we have the other stud wide open to kill them with.

 

If they take that guy out of the game, we kill them with Diggs.

 

KC has Kelce and Hill!

 

 

The studs name is Gabe Davis.  
 

you missed a great game

[starrymessenger]

7 minutes ago, TheBrownBear said:

Speaking of receivers I covet, how the hell did A.J. Brown slide to the bottom of the 2nd round?  I'd give anything for that guy to be a Bill.

Agree. He is a bad man. Cooper Kupp went in the third.

[BullBuchanan]

Is he willing to play Defense full-time too?

[Albany,n.y.]

No way!

WR isn't the problem on this team.  We have much more pressing needs & to trade our #1 (and a 4th that is just piling on) for another WR is foolish. Plus Metcalf is going to want a pretty big extension or you lose him in 1 year. Horrible draft capital value.  

[YoloinOhio]

I’ll pass

 

 

[Brandon]

He's an excellent player, but with Diggs and Davis on the outside already and with both as upcoming 2024 FAs,  I think I'd have to pass.  Go find a mid tier bargain to stretch the field like they did with John Brown a few years back and add a quality slot receiver prospect in the 1st or 2nd. 

[DCofNC]

9 minutes ago, Brandon said:

He's an excellent player, but with Diggs and Davis on the outside already and with both as upcoming 2024 FAs,  I think I'd have to pass.  Go find a mid tier bargain to stretch the field like they did with John Brown a few years back and add a quality slot receiver prospect in the 1st or 2nd. 

Valid, based on current trajectory, I would be setting aside some good money for Davis.  Diggs is going to be hard to let go of, but it comes down to dollars and sense for that one, if it makes sense ok.

[FarrellsFinest]

Yes.

[BuffaloBill]

2 hours ago, Motorin' said:

Meet Treylon Burks. 6'3", 225lbs, reported to run in the 4.3's. Better route runner and hands than DK. Currently ranked as a late 1st round pick.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Supposed to have bad hands - though sounds coachable. Would he be BPA at the top of round #1?  Also WR’s generally take 2-3 years to develop.

[Canadian Bills Fan]

3 hours ago, Nextmanup said:

How about Diontae Johnson from Pittsburgh?  

 

They may be in a re-tool mode and maybe they'd be looking to wheel and deal?

 

Until they find the next QB they ain't goin' anywhere...

 

 

I'd rather James Washington who is a free agent and has crazy talent but was burried on the depth chart.

 

Not to mention he will be extremely cheap

[stinky finger]

3 hours ago, BuffaloBill said:

Would the Hawks trade Metcalf?

 

This is a highly unlikely scenario for many reasons - salary cap, impact to Diggs and likelihood that the Hawks just don’t let him go are at the top of the list. However, there are some uncertainties regarding Metcalf future in Seattle.

 

As for me, If the Bills could get him for a 1st and a 4th I would say do it all day long every day.  Could you imagine the nightmare matchups created with Diggs, Metcalf and Knox in the game as your base set?  You have all combinations of size, speed, route running, ability to play at every level and Josh heaving the rock.  

 

 

 

No brainer.

 

My only issue with your post? Why not mention Gabriel into the equation. He is, as we all witnessed Sunday, a manchild ready for stardom. DIggs, DK and Gabe?!?!?!

 

Dare I say BEST assembly ever?!?

 

 

[stinky finger]

3 hours ago, Nextmanup said:

How about Diontae Johnson from Pittsburgh?  

 

They may be in a re-tool mode and maybe they'd be looking to wheel and deal?

 

Until they find the next QB they ain't goin' anywhere...

 

 

 

He's a ball dropping machine

[bigK14094]

3 hours ago, Billl said:

Why not just draft your own guy?  Beane already gave up the pick that was used for Justin Jefferson to get Diggs.  You want to give away another first rounder for the right to pay Metcalf $20,000,000 a year?  At some point you’ve got to draft your own talent rather than overpay for the talent someone else found.

Pay Diggs, he is a pro!

[bigK14094]

2 hours ago, Nextmanup said:

I would LOVE to see us upgrade the position.

Aside from the OL or finding a TE better than Knox, it's the most important thing we can do.

 

And folks want to talk about LBs for God's sake! 

 

Don't forget--Josh had the DEAD LAST WORST YAC in the NFL this year!

 

Get another stud so that when KC takes Diggs out of the game, we have the other stud wide open to kill them with.

 

If they take that guy out of the game, we kill them with Diggs.

 

KC has Kelce and Hill!

 

 

Hmmmm how many TD's did Davis have?   Seems like the Bills have that stud already.

[Bob Chandler's Hands]

3 hours ago, Nextmanup said:

How about Diontae Johnson from Pittsburgh?  

 

They may be in a re-tool mode and maybe they'd be looking to wheel and deal?

 

Until they find the next QB they ain't goin' anywhere...

 

 

I like receivers who can catch the ball. 

[BADOLBILZ]

 

Yes.

 

He's an elite talent that is dirt cheap next season........just over $1M due, so cheaper than a first rounder.........which is really important and allows them to make other moves in the short term.

 

To me.......Josh Allen with DK Metcalf has always been the ulimate potential combo of physical freaks at their positions............should have happened on draft day 2019.

 

There are downsides..........he will be a free agent in 2023........putting him at Z means Gabe Davis or even Diggs might have to play some slot to get all 3 on the field.

 

But Metcalf is a potential full season TD record breaker out wide when combined with Josh Allen........a perfect match for Allen's powerful arm(and seemingly improving deep ball)...........a giant target when the weather gets bad in Buffalo.........a player who will physically exhaust the opposition as well.

 

I'm also a little leery about extending Diggs contract.........he's still really good but I don't want to see them give him some 5 year extension for $100M on top of what's left based on what I saw this season.........he's got enough mileage on him that I'd like the option of seeing both Metcalf and Diggs together and decide after next season which way to go long term.

 

If you lose Metcalf in UFA........that's a fifth year option you don't have to worry about and you likely get a late 3rd round comp pick for him in 2024.    Doesn't sound like much but there is no guarantee that 25th overall pick is going to be better than Shaq Lawson.

 

Also,  Gabriel Davis has not proven to me that he can be relied on all season..........he has had big games both seasons........but I still don't trust him to be the uncontested WR2.    The inconsistencies and days when he just hasn't been able to make a play(like the likely game losing drop in Jax for example),  the games missed and hindering nagging injuries both years,  his decision making that cost him the chance to play in the second NE game,  and just the lack of actually having a 800-1000 yard season yet tells me he doesn't yet warrant that nod for a team who is shooting for a #1 seed or bust against teams like KC and Cinci who are loaded with more proven weapons.