Scott7975 Posted November 2, 2022 Share Posted November 2, 2022 14 minutes ago, 947 said: The biggest issue the Giants have been having with WRs is understanding the playbook, with the option routes & nuances. They had reduced Kadarius Toney to WR6 coming into the season because he just couldn't get it. Hodgins already knows Daboll's playbook, don't be surprised to see him get an immediate opportunity to play. If its true that he didnt get Dabolls playbook then I doubt he is going to get Reids playbook either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted November 2, 2022 Share Posted November 2, 2022 1 hour ago, Roundybout said: When did we waive him? When T White was activated? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted November 2, 2022 Share Posted November 2, 2022 So they have taken Antonio Williams and now Isaiah Hodgins from us?! Who is next— Christian Wade?! 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted November 2, 2022 Share Posted November 2, 2022 What a bummer. I really like the kid. What an unlucky string of injuries his first two years. Glad he’s getting his shot on a 53. Hope he makes the best of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted November 2, 2022 Share Posted November 2, 2022 Big slot who struggles to separate but is a good locker room guy. We had a few of those types in 2017 too. 7 minutes ago, mannc said: When did we waive him? When T White was activated? Kind of. Yesterday we made multiple moves... waived Bryant and Hodgins, traded Moss and replaced them with White, Hines and Marlow. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted November 2, 2022 Share Posted November 2, 2022 8 minutes ago, Scott7975 said: If its true that he didnt get Dabolls playbook then I doubt he is going to get Reids playbook either. Daboll's playbook is more complex for sure. The E-P requires more reading of defenses than the Reid spread style WCO.... it isn't learning the plays that is harder it is route adjustment based on reading the play. It is why New England struggles to draft receivers and why Diggs and Josh worked instantly. You need receivers who read the defense the same way your QB does. Much more mentally taxing on a WR. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Success Posted November 2, 2022 Share Posted November 2, 2022 Great team for Hodgins right now. Happy for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longtimebillsfan Posted November 2, 2022 Share Posted November 2, 2022 I hope he gets a chance to show what he can do. I always felt he had a great deal of potential and a very good work ethic. All the best Isaiah. Sorry to see you go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted November 2, 2022 Share Posted November 2, 2022 58 minutes ago, Beck Water said: I think there was an unspoken caveat there "if he clears waivers" Just having a friendly dig at someone having a "bet each way"'... Saying he is "likely to be back on PS" and then "saw the writing on the wall " that the Giants would pick him up are a little contradictory... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLFan Posted November 2, 2022 Share Posted November 2, 2022 1 hour ago, Warcodered said: Daboll Fair is fair he never really got much of a shot here, hell we keep talking about bringing in OBJ. How do you figure he never got much of a shot here? The Bills kept him around through multiple injuries and kept giving him opportunities to make the roster as a contributing player. He never rose to the occasion. They very likely would have signed him back to the practice squad if he was not claimed, Giving him yet another opportunity. I wish him well with the Giants. He has a better chance there as they have an inferior roster. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brand J Posted November 2, 2022 Share Posted November 2, 2022 I liked his potential more than David Sills who we had here years ago. Sills has been a regular in that NYG WR rotation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted November 2, 2022 Share Posted November 2, 2022 Best of luck to Hodgins I have been a firm supporter of his and believe he could’ve helped this team but if they’re not going to play him and just keep bouncing him to the practice squad let him go somewhere where he can actually play 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted November 2, 2022 Share Posted November 2, 2022 (edited) 10 minutes ago, FLFan said: How do you figure he never got much of a shot here? The Bills kept him around through multiple injuries and kept giving him opportunities to make the roster as a contributing player. He never rose to the occasion. They very likely would have signed him back to the practice squad if he was not claimed, Giving him yet another opportunity. I wish him well with the Giants. He has a better chance there as they have an inferior roster. You literally said why, it was a crowded room. Edited November 2, 2022 by Warcodered Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
947 Posted November 2, 2022 Share Posted November 2, 2022 9 minutes ago, JayBaller10 said: I liked his potential more than David Sills who we had here years ago. Sills has been a regular in that NYG WR rotation. Sills has been terrible, but does have a catch in every Giants game this season. He's been playing largely out of necessity, he's the most likely one for Hodgins to get a shot over. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seannc Posted November 2, 2022 Share Posted November 2, 2022 I hope he gets a shot with the Giants and I'm happy for him. Between him, Moss, and Stevenson, surely the Bills could've drafted an OL who would've been more valuable to them right now. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted November 2, 2022 Share Posted November 2, 2022 Hodgins is the poster child for this message board. All the way from totally worthless to diamond in the rough. The reality is he is somewhere between a priority PS call up and a potential WR5 who can take snaps outside or in the slot. The Bills are a bit weaker not having him on the PS and the Giants are better having him on their 53. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBear Posted November 2, 2022 Share Posted November 2, 2022 Good for Isaiah. There just wasn't room here for a guy with his skillset. Hope he sticks for awhile with the Giants. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted November 2, 2022 Share Posted November 2, 2022 (edited) 58 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Daboll's playbook is more complex for sure. The E-P requires more reading of defenses than the Reid spread style WCO.... it isn't learning the plays that is harder it is route adjustment based on reading the play. It is why New England struggles to draft receivers and why Diggs and Josh worked instantly. You need receivers who read the defense the same way your QB does. Much more mentally taxing on a WR. I could be wrong, but I think the WCO as Reid and Bieniemy are currently running it also requires reading defenses and running route options based upon what the WR sees (and giving the QB "good body language" to help them understand what the WR is going to do). Now, the bit about the complexity of the playbook could be true - Daboll was rumored to have a ridiculously thick playbook - but I'd bet Andy Reid's playbook is just as thick. I think there was a time when what you say is true of WCO - a more rigid timing-based passing offense with precise routes timed to precise dropbacks - and for some teams perhaps it's true - but certainly Kelce is running option routes and Hill seemed to be. My understanding is these days the top teams pretty much all run the same plays and route concepts, what's different is the terminology. It's like, one playbook describes plays in Portuguese, and the other describes essentially the same plays in Flemish. So the Flemish speakers need to learn Portuguese and vice versa. Under Shurmur, DeFilippo, and Stefanski I'm pretty sure the offense Minnesota ran was nominally a WCO, so I don't think coming from an E-P style offense was the reason Josh and Stef worked well, if that was your meaning. I think they put in a lot of grind together. Edited November 2, 2022 by Beck Water Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted November 2, 2022 Share Posted November 2, 2022 I wonder if they called Giants first to see if they could get a 7th. Giants have to be in top 6 or 7 on the waiver wire order so at least 3/4th of the league didn't think enough of him to claim on waivers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akcash Posted November 2, 2022 Share Posted November 2, 2022 I honestly could see him being a WR2 in fantasy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ya Digg? Posted November 2, 2022 Share Posted November 2, 2022 Oh no what are the Bills going to do without his one catch?!?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted November 2, 2022 Share Posted November 2, 2022 1 minute ago, Ya Digg? said: Oh no what are the Bills going to do without his one catch?!?! Maybe let's hope that now that he is gone that Tanner Gentry isn't forced to be his replacement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted November 3, 2022 Share Posted November 3, 2022 (edited) 3 hours ago, GunnerBill said: Daboll's playbook is more complex for sure. The E-P requires more reading of defenses than the Reid spread style WCO.... it isn't learning the plays that is harder it is route adjustment based on reading the play. It is why New England struggles to draft receivers and why Diggs and Josh worked instantly. You need receivers who read the defense the same way your QB does. Much more mentally taxing on a WR. In 2022 these are more Verbiage than anything… obviously in the 70s there was a bigger difference between the EP and WCO and Coryell systems now most plays and formations are recycled … football has been around a long time … it’s primarily the way to get the playcall in … there are still west coast philosophies but you can run them in any verbiage system you can have run n shoot option routes in EP offense or WCO … the difference will be the verbiage and complexity A typical WCO playcall could look like … Green Right X Shift Viper Right 382 X Stick Lookie… it’s calling protections , formation and route concept tremendously more intricate than a simple EP verbiage… and when effective simple is always better an EP call F right 72 Ghost /Tosser Gets out the same formation protections and routes… much simpler And easier to add to the playbook Edited November 3, 2022 by Buffalo716 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted November 3, 2022 Share Posted November 3, 2022 the legend grows... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msw2112 Posted November 3, 2022 Share Posted November 3, 2022 I'm sure the Bills were hoping he would clear waivers and be re-signed to the Practice Squad, but they had to take the chance to make the roster moves they needed/wanted to make. In the end, it isn't a huge loss. He played sparingly anyway and, barring another barrage of injuries, he was not going to break into the rotation. And maybe an OBJ signing is on the horizon....So we wish Hodgins well with the Giants and hope he gets a chance to play, contribute, and have a nice NFL career. I think he'll do OK there as a WR 4-7, but I don't think he'll come back to haunt the Bills. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted November 3, 2022 Share Posted November 3, 2022 I'd put the over/under on how many times Hodgins will be riding waivers again in the next two seasons at 6. Surfs up.........headed to NJ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted November 3, 2022 Share Posted November 3, 2022 Hey good for him. I’ll cheer for him over there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted November 3, 2022 Share Posted November 3, 2022 5 minutes ago, Rc2catch said: Hey good for him. I’ll cheer for him over there Yeah I am rooting for dabol already to do well there’s no reason not to root for Hodgens as well we’re not playing them 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted November 3, 2022 Share Posted November 3, 2022 1 minute ago, John from Riverside said: Yeah I am rooting for dabol already to do well there’s no reason not to root for Hodgens as well we’re not playing them What Daboll has done is amazing. There is not much talent on that team but they are playing their hearts out for him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cash Posted November 3, 2022 Share Posted November 3, 2022 I was pretty high on IH when we drafted him and again last preseason. After seeing him a bit more this year (mostly in preseason), my take is that he belongs in the NFL but doesn’t really move the needle. Good contested catch guy, but he has to be because he doesn’t get much separation. With the right opportunity, he could put together a pretty decent career, but I’ll be surprised if he’s ever a star. I definitely wish him well, and if he gets cut again I’d be happy to get him back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterStrategist Posted November 3, 2022 Share Posted November 3, 2022 1 minute ago, Cash said: I was pretty high on IH when we drafted him and again last preseason. After seeing him a bit more this year (mostly in preseason), my take is that he belongs in the NFL but doesn’t really move the needle. Good contested catch guy, but he has to be because he doesn’t get much separation. With the right opportunity, he could put together a pretty decent career, but I’ll be surprised if he’s ever a star. I definitely wish him well, and if he gets cut again I’d be happy to get him back. Agree. Something about IHs style of play reminds me of Jordan Mathews. He will definitely get some looks with Gmen down the stretch, hope it works out for him 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoHuddleKelly12 Posted November 3, 2022 Share Posted November 3, 2022 3 hours ago, HOUSE said: GB is sleeping at the switch A-Aron says get Kumerow back or bust! 😜 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malazan Posted November 3, 2022 Share Posted November 3, 2022 I'm worried we let another Robert Foster get away 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Posted November 3, 2022 Share Posted November 3, 2022 I’ve been secretly hoping we had a hidden gem after the glowing press on him and Davis in their rookie camps. But due to injury, and certainly other reasons, he’s not been able to crack the roster. I wish him well with the Giants. He deserves a shot to prove he can play in the league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted November 3, 2022 Share Posted November 3, 2022 8 hours ago, Beck Water said: I could be wrong, but I think the WCO as Reid and Bieniemy are currently running it also requires reading defenses and running route options based upon what the WR sees (and giving the QB "good body language" to help them understand what the WR is going to do). Now, the bit about the complexity of the playbook could be true - Daboll was rumored to have a ridiculously thick playbook - but I'd bet Andy Reid's playbook is just as thick. I think there was a time when what you say is true of WCO - a more rigid timing-based passing offense with precise routes timed to precise dropbacks - and for some teams perhaps it's true - but certainly Kelce is running option routes and Hill seemed to be. My understanding is these days the top teams pretty much all run the same plays and route concepts, what's different is the terminology. It's like, one playbook describes plays in Portuguese, and the other describes essentially the same plays in Flemish. So the Flemish speakers need to learn Portuguese and vice versa. Under Shurmur, DeFilippo, and Stefanski I'm pretty sure the offense Minnesota ran was nominally a WCO, so I don't think coming from an E-P style offense was the reason Josh and Stef worked well, if that was your meaning. I think they put in a lot of grind together. No I didn't mean that re Minnesota. I meant that Josh and Stef built a chemistry so Josh is pretty certain Stef is seeing things the same way. As for KC having option routes in their playbook, yea, they do. But there is still a lot of basic Mike Holmgren / Bill Walsh standard WCO in what KC run. It's dressed up with a lot of window dressing but it is timing concept WCO at its core where the receiver is just getting to a landmark. Of course Mike Kafka is the OC with the Giants so I am sure they are incorperating some of that there too. But core E-P offenses are still more complex to lean than core WCO ones. There is some complexity in both but there is also more simple in the WCO... more gimme plays where a WR has one thing to think about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyC81 Posted November 3, 2022 Share Posted November 3, 2022 11 hours ago, Freddie's Dead said: All the best to Isaiah Hodgins. Played well in limited action, just not well enough to crack the top 5-6. Wikipedia still lists him as a FA. You can make Wikipedia say that Mickey Mouse is president. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted November 3, 2022 Share Posted November 3, 2022 Finally Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted November 3, 2022 Share Posted November 3, 2022 13 hours ago, 947 said: I predicted this in another thread. NYG is a great spot for him to get on the field. Wish him the best. I was thinking the same. Hodgins will now get a shot to be a starter you would think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted November 3, 2022 Share Posted November 3, 2022 Good for him, he’s had plenty of opportunity here. Giants roster is going to give a much better chance to succeed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanSD Posted November 3, 2022 Share Posted November 3, 2022 Good for him. I hope he goes on to have a strong career for the Giants. The Bills are stacked. We have too many guys at the bottom of our roster to carry all of them, and we're going to have to let some really good players walk in FA. This is what life is like for good teams. We never had to worry about these trade-offs during the drought years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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