msw2112 Posted August 22, 2022 Share Posted August 22, 2022 Crowder and Duke Johnson seem to be good trade candidates. Both are proven veteran players who have had some success in the league. I'm pretty sure the Bills signed both before the draft - before acquiring Shakir and Cook. By drafting those two guys and them both playing well in camp and preseason, Crowder and Johnson, along with their higher salaries, become expendible. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLFan Posted August 22, 2022 Share Posted August 22, 2022 1 hour ago, FilthyBeast said: Moss would be my choice by default because I hate the idea of doing this RB by committee crap yet again when Singletary has proven himself and Cook will be pushing him for snaps as it is. This is still going to be a pass first team with Allen also eating on the ground and you can't split carries between 3 guys anymore. And considering how Ford has been showcased in hindsight, get the sense that's what they are trying to do with guys like Moss and Epenesa as well. You can beat the horse all you want, but neither Moss or Epenesa are getting traded. Both are slated for significant rotational roles. Moss is Singletary’s replacement next year and their insurance if he gets hurt or underperforms this year. Epenesa looks to be the their top rotational DE, clearly number 3 on the depth chart right now. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nosejob Posted August 22, 2022 Share Posted August 22, 2022 2 minutes ago, msw2112 said: They play different positions. Gilliam is a fullback who also plays tight end. Moss is a running back. Gilliam is 3 inches taller and 40 pounds heavier than Moss. So?....Moss can be FB and is good in pass pro. How many plays will Reggie see? Waste of a roster spot IMO...unless he's great on ST, IDK about that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eee1776 Posted August 22, 2022 Share Posted August 22, 2022 2 hours ago, mushypeaches said: Tremaine Edmunds... I'll see my way out now Trade HIm to Chicago or swap him for there Middle linebacker. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted August 22, 2022 Share Posted August 22, 2022 2 hours ago, VaMilBill said: Moss. They seem to be giving him the Sammy Watkins treatment I don’t see it in this window we are in. Don’t trade away a guy who might be critical one high ankle sprain from now. It’s not worth a late round pick for next year when we could win it all this year. I’m wrong a lot, so…….🤷♂️ 9 minutes ago, msw2112 said: Crowder and Duke Johnson seem to be good trade candidates. Both are proven veteran players who have had some success in the league. I'm pretty sure the Bills signed both before the draft - before acquiring Shakir and Cook. By drafting those two guys and them both playing well in camp and preseason, Crowder and Johnson, along with their higher salaries, become expendible. What Shakir has shown makes Crowder a possibility, IMO. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDubya76 Posted August 22, 2022 Share Posted August 22, 2022 1 hour ago, Solomon Grundy said: Is Tommy Sweeney this year's Duke Williams? I don't understand the obsession? He’s a try-hard. Unfortunately for the team, he’s a JAG try-hard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted August 22, 2022 Share Posted August 22, 2022 7 minutes ago, msw2112 said: Crowder and Duke Johnson seem to be good trade candidates. Both are proven veteran players who have had some success in the league. I'm pretty sure the Bills signed both before the draft - before acquiring Shakir and Cook. By drafting those two guys and them both playing well in camp and preseason, Crowder and Johnson, along with their higher salaries, become expendible. I think Crowder stays, now that Austin is out…we need that back up slot behind McKenzie… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted August 22, 2022 Share Posted August 22, 2022 2 hours ago, Gene Frenkle said: It's an interesting thought experiment - what could the Bills get for Josh Allen? 😂 EVERYTHING 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mabden Posted August 22, 2022 Share Posted August 22, 2022 2 hours ago, VaMilBill said: Moss. They seem to be giving him the Sammy Watkins treatment Regardless of how good Singletary and Cook have looked, Moss has also looked good. Reason dictates you keep him. It's a long season and expected deep playoff run, so why trade away a solid contributor for a future pick. Ford was given the opportunity to stick, but I imagine the new OL coach told Beane to cut/trade him. Bottom line keep productive players, get rid of non. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted August 22, 2022 Share Posted August 22, 2022 1 hour ago, WotAGuy said: If he’s “nothing special” and can be replaced by an UDFA, why the hell would someone give up a 4th or 5th for him? 🙄 LOL the Eternal Fan Fallacy. "This guy sucks, he's a bust and hasn't lived up to his 3rd round draft status with 3 years of NFL wear on him! Let's trade him for a 4th!" 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Tim Posted August 22, 2022 Share Posted August 22, 2022 My opinion would be just these two who have more value to others than us Crowder- he is a proven commodity and we have Lil dirty and Shakir along with Cook if need be. Lawson- good backup but we have several guys who are better at same thing. I do not think our backup LB or DBs are special and we might need them anyways. And RBs are a dime a dozen in the NFL except for a few special ones. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted August 23, 2022 Share Posted August 23, 2022 2 minutes ago, mabden said: Regardless of how good Singletary and Cook have looked, Moss has also looked good. Reason dictates you keep him. It's a long season and expected deep playoff run, so why trade away a solid contributor for a future pick. So the only reason to trade Moss would be if they like what they're seeing from Duke Johnson or Blackshear better as RB and feel that Reggie Gilliam can fill the short-yardage FB role. 2 minutes ago, mabden said: Ford was given the opportunity to stick, but I imagine the new OL coach told Beane to cut/trade him. I doubt the OL coach told Beane to cut/trade him. I think at this point, they have staff meetings where the position coaches grade and rank their players. It must be a pretty complex business, because they would have to consider "does he offer a unique skillset?" "does he offer versatility?" and "does he have potential we can develop him to fill?" On IOL, we have Dawkins, Quessenberry, and Brown at OT. Interior OL, Morse, Bates, and Saffold are locks. Mancz is a lock as the backup center. You're gonna keep 9, maybe 10 at the most. Perhaps they like Hart > Ford or give him the edge because he can theoretically, in a pinch, play tackle (I threw up a bit in my mouth typing that). Dunno how serious Tommy Doyle's injury is, but he can play tackle and they've been trying him inside as well I believe. On his weekly segment with Tasker and Brown, Greg Cosell mentioned OL and rookie Alec Anderson was called out as playing really well at Guard. If so, they may feel he has a ceiling and can be developed more than Ford. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted August 23, 2022 Share Posted August 23, 2022 3 hours ago, Logic said: Josh Allen. Keenum looked really good on Saturday. Now's the time to sell high on #17. Just ask that guy that called into WGR after the game. I read right here that Keenum could equal Josh's 2021 11 wins and 30+ TDs with this team. Might as well test the market..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msw2112 Posted August 23, 2022 Share Posted August 23, 2022 58 minutes ago, nosejob said: So?....Moss can be FB and is good in pass pro. How many plays will Reggie see? Waste of a roster spot IMO...unless he's great on ST, IDK about that. I'm not saying it's the best use of a roster spot, but the original question asked whether it was a special teams thing. The response was, that no, it isn't. They have different positions/roles on the team. I think they value Gilliam's versatility, particularly at TE. Keeping Gilliam on the roster may allow them to carry 1 fewer TE, while also having a blocking FB with a little more blocking juice than Moss has. It's arguable that Moss could do some of the things in the backfield that Gilliam can do, but it's not arguable that Moss can't play TE. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nosejob Posted August 23, 2022 Share Posted August 23, 2022 (edited) 26 minutes ago, msw2112 said: I'm not saying it's the best use of a roster spot, but the original question asked whether it was a special teams thing. The response was, that no, it isn't. They have different positions/roles on the team. I think they value Gilliam's versatility, particularly at TE. Keeping Gilliam on the roster may allow them to carry 1 fewer TE, while also having a blocking FB with a little more blocking juice than Moss has. It's arguable that Moss could do some of the things in the backfield that Gilliam can do, but it's not arguable that Moss can't play TE. I can't remember seeing Gilliam lined up at TE last year and now with O.J. I'm not expecting it any time soon. As far as a lead blocker on short and goal, well we have Moss and we all know Josh won't skip an opportunity to punch it in. I just don't see the need for that spot on the roster. Not to mention an extra lineman like Doyle. Edited August 23, 2022 by nosejob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boater Posted August 23, 2022 Share Posted August 23, 2022 3 hours ago, Gene Frenkle said: It's an interesting thought experiment - what could the Bills get for Josh Allen? 😂 4 years of your #1 picks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paup 1995MVP Posted August 23, 2022 Share Posted August 23, 2022 6 hours ago, StHustle said: Only way I could be on board is if we got a 3rd rounder for him and I doubt a team would do that. Maybe a 4th at best. If Devin goes down are you really good with a rookie in Blackshear or you would keep Duke Johnson over Moss? Do you think Singletary is better then Blackshear or Duke? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted August 23, 2022 Share Posted August 23, 2022 13 minutes ago, Paup 1995MVP said: Do you think Singletary is better then Blackshear or Duke? absolutely Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hondo in seattle Posted August 23, 2022 Share Posted August 23, 2022 (edited) 4 hours ago, Augie said: I don’t see it in this window we are in. Don’t trade away a guy who might be critical one high ankle sprain from now. It’s not worth a late round pick for next year when we could win it all this year. I’m wrong a lot, so…….🤷♂️ What Shakir has shown makes Crowder a possibility, IMO. I'm with you. I know Beane's likes collecting draft picks. But I hope he doesn't trade anyone away that would've made the final 53. We want to win the SB and that requires depth. If we can find trade partners for guys we were going to cut anyway: great. I think Crowder is a Final 53 guy. Edited August 23, 2022 by hondo in seattle 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StHustle Posted August 23, 2022 Share Posted August 23, 2022 21 minutes ago, Paup 1995MVP said: Do you think Singletary is better then Blackshear or Duke? Absolutely. Singletary in his rookie season averaged more ypc than Duke ever did in his career. Singletary also has like 75% more starts in his career than Duke and has been in the league less than half as long. Duke is the better receiver but not better overall back. Couple all that with the 4 year age difference and it’s a no brained who you keep. Blackshear has great potential but we haven’t seen him against starters yet and in no way can set he’s better than Devin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChronicAndKnuckles Posted August 23, 2022 Share Posted August 23, 2022 10 hours ago, Gene Frenkle said: It's an interesting thought experiment - what could the Bills get for Josh Allen? 😂 Honestly? I would say 4 first rounders and a handful of mid-round picks along w/ a solid bridge QB. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted August 23, 2022 Share Posted August 23, 2022 (edited) I don't see any more trades, really. Maybe if someone calls us for a guy not likely to make the roster. I think Ford would have made the final 53 with how he's played in camp this year. I don't see anyone else like that that I think they'll trade. If a great enough offer comes, who knows, but my guess is we're done. If forced to guess I'd say maybe OJ Howard but I don't really think it happens. 10 hours ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said: Read article the other day, stated how game started off with Digg,s Davis and McKenzie. As soon as Diggs left he game Crowder took his spot and McKenzie moved outside and Crowder in slot. Sounds like Crowder is their total #4 WR, so doubtful they'd let him go. Oh, yeah, I think Crowder is in their plans, both inside and outside. Edited August 23, 2022 by Thurman#1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted August 23, 2022 Share Posted August 23, 2022 Get the Giants on the phone. Low depth at TE? Give us a 4th or 5th for Howard, Morris, or Sweeney. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cage Posted August 23, 2022 Share Posted August 23, 2022 13 hours ago, Gene Frenkle said: It's an interesting thought experiment - what could the Bills get for Josh Allen? 😂 That's an April consideration... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Says Posted August 23, 2022 Share Posted August 23, 2022 13 hours ago, MasterStrategist said: Secondary is loaded. It's either Tre starting the yr on PUP/IR, or we likely are moving someone. With Tre on PUP,Bills would be LESS likely to move someone,assuming there is any interest.What's the logic here? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted August 23, 2022 Share Posted August 23, 2022 13 hours ago, VaMilBill said: Moss. They seem to be giving him the Sammy Watkins treatment I seriously doubt it. He’s the 3rd and 1 option so Josh doesn’t have to keep doing it. He won’t have tons of carries, but may get lots of TD opportunities. If anything, we might trade a Defensive End as we’re going to need to cut some and a team End starving might bite on 5th or 6th. Beane knows the cap will explode, but we have some expensive contracts coming due as well. We need some cheap talent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwater10 Posted August 23, 2022 Share Posted August 23, 2022 13 hours ago, Logic said: I dunno, man. I've done exactly that and, sure, I had to be ejected from the Home Depot pants-less and and shrieking, but I STILL wouldn't have traded Josh Allen. Should've just gone to Walmart. You'd have blended right in. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SectionC3 Posted August 23, 2022 Share Posted August 23, 2022 Hopefully it's OJ Howard. I wonder if Beane packages the found money from the Ford trade to dispose of Howard's contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hemma Posted August 23, 2022 Share Posted August 23, 2022 Maybe Matakevitch. Wouldn’t get a lot though. It’s his last contract year, would clear a fair amount of room and Spector may be able to replace him on coverage units. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freddyjj Posted August 23, 2022 Share Posted August 23, 2022 Tyler Matakevich ? The two rookies LB stay then and Bills can save some cap $$$ Just now, hemma said: Maybe Matakevitch. Wouldn’t get a lot though. It’s his last contract year, would clear a fair amount of room and Spector may be able to replace him on coverage units. lol just posted same 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Estro Posted August 23, 2022 Share Posted August 23, 2022 I think Matakevich is a cut candidate. Bills media talks about him like he's a roster lock, and maybe he is, but I think the $2.5M in cap savings is being overlooked. Bills could think to themselves they have Spector for one third the price. They also have the insurance policy of Andre Smith after his 6 week suspension, who's also a lot cheaper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted August 23, 2022 Share Posted August 23, 2022 2 minutes ago, Estro said: I think Matakevich is a cut candidate. Bills media talks about him like he's a roster lock, and maybe he is, but I think the $2.5M in cap savings is being overlooked. Bills could think to themselves they have Spector for one third the price. They also have the insurance policy of Andre Smith after his 6 week suspension, who's also a lot cheaper The fact that he, Jones and Neal were all sat down last week and the coverage units have struggled a tad in pre-season makes it extremely unlikely that any of those 3 are not on the roster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProcessTruster Posted August 23, 2022 Share Posted August 23, 2022 Hodgins. He'll never be a # 1 or #2, IMO. They've been showing him off all pre-season. Could get a 4th or maybe a 3rd? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RunTheBall Posted August 23, 2022 Share Posted August 23, 2022 This place is hilarious. No one is trading for a RB we picked up off the scrap heap or an UDFA RB who is destined for the practice squad. Crowder is not getting traded Moss is not getting traded Lawson is not getting traded No one is trading for pre season hero Mike Love No one is trading for OJ Howard and his guaranteed salary Other GMs know we have some tough decisions coming up. We are going to lose guys to other teams because we are stacked. Lewis, McCloud, Hodgins, Bryant all come to mind. It's a good problem to have. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddaryl Posted August 23, 2022 Share Posted August 23, 2022 8 minutes ago, ProcessTruster said: Hodgins. He'll never be a # 1 or #2, IMO. They've been showing him off all pre-season. Could get a 4th or maybe a 3rd? Maybe a 6th or 7th... He's often injured and a bit slow.. I don't see anyone giving up much if anything to acquire him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheyCallMeAndy Posted August 23, 2022 Share Posted August 23, 2022 11 minutes ago, ProcessTruster said: Hodgins. He'll never be a # 1 or #2, IMO. They've been showing him off all pre-season. Could get a 4th or maybe a 3rd? That’s what I was going to say. 8-9 yard YPR against backups isn’t great… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted August 23, 2022 Share Posted August 23, 2022 15 minutes ago, ProcessTruster said: Hodgins. He'll never be a # 1 or #2, IMO. They've been showing him off all pre-season. Could get a 4th or maybe a 3rd? We might get a 6th or a 7th if we’re lucky 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T master Posted August 23, 2022 Share Posted August 23, 2022 I'd say Crowder, Johnson, & Moss could be players they could get something for & clear a bit of cap space while doing it Beane gets players in the draft & FA that are really good players and the likes of these guys can be replaced by a lower contract amount & could get the same or better performance for that money for a longer period of time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganesh Posted August 23, 2022 Share Posted August 23, 2022 16 hours ago, FilthyBeast said: Moss would be my choice by default because I hate the idea of doing this RB by committee crap yet again when Singletary has proven himself and Cook will be pushing him for snaps as it is. This is still going to be a pass first team with Allen also eating on the ground and you can't split carries between 3 guys anymore. And considering how Ford has been showcased in hindsight, get the sense that's what they are trying to do with guys like Moss and Epenesa as well. Only issue is that Singletary will be gone next year in FA. Moss has 2 years left on his rookie contract and will be cheap for 2 more seasons and then we get Cook for 4 seasons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted August 23, 2022 Share Posted August 23, 2022 5 hours ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said: Honestly? I would say 4 first rounders and a handful of mid-round picks along w/ a solid bridge QB. Good trade. Imagine the defense that could be assembled using those picks. * 🙄 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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