Are the Bills classless for scoring a TD against the fins with 1:14 to go? Try too take your homer hat off and explain.

[BuffaloBill]

I know this is being discussed in the thread about the Miami board. I’ve given you a poll here with the opportunity to explain your election. The Bills in my opinion absolutely played this correctly including the two point conversion. If they convert the 2 then the game is a three score ordeal.

 

While the probability of the fins scoring twice in 1:14 with 0 timeouts is low it is possible. The Miami argument is the Bills could have run time off the clock and left the Fins deep on the field with no time outs. All well and good, but then the fins are only two crazy and lucky plays away from winning. They break one for a long TD and kick the EP. the score is then 20 -18. If they get an insides kick - they probably only need one play to get into FG range. Kick the FG and the Bills lose.

 

 

[JohnBonhamRocks]

You play. To win. The game.

[nucci]

Good that they scored but they risked a TO. I may have run the clock down and kick FG. 23-11 with only seconds left or give ball back at that point. Up 9 with seconds left and having to score twice

[Your Brown Eye]

TD yes, didn't think the 2 point was necessary

[Golden*Wheels]

I kinda side eyed my wife and was like...hmm. The 2 pointer really made me double hmm. Than again, pour some salt on that wound. It's the fins. *****'em.

[eee1776]

1.  cover the spread

2.. There was a lot of nastyness that went on during the game.

3.It is Miami  Screw em.

[Buffalo03]

How stupid is this argument? Classless for scoring a put away TD? I'm sure McDermott said the same thing after the game. "Hey, guys, great win but that TD at the very end was mean. Let's not do that again. Nice TDs only". How dumb

[Royale with Cheese]

I definitely think McDermott doesn't respect or like Flores.  I don't think it was classless but I don't think McDermott does that against a Ron Rivera, Jim Harbaugh, Andy Reid, Mike Tomlin etc...

[LDD]

It is the NFL.  You play to win and win as safely and securely as one can.  We ran the ball and they couldn't stop us.  

[Roundybout]

No problem with the TD or the two pointer really. I think with all our red zone woes so far, any practice at that end is fine by me. 

[CircleTheWagons99]

Love it. Allen got me 30 points in fantasy!

[Marv's Neighbor]

Consider TIE BREAKERS at the end of the season.  It could come into play then.  If that's not good enough, REMEMBER our 0 for the 70's record against them.  Those are the only two hats I think about!

[Niagara Bill]

Screw Miami every time you can!!

[Livinginthepast]

For a team coming off a tough loss on a flukey slip in the previous game and a team also being the victims of a horrendous flukey play against the Cards last year, I say absolutely the Bills played it the right way. This isnt Pop Warner league. Im so sorry the Dolphins feelings were hurt.

[RoyBatty is alive]

6 minutes ago, Golden*Wheels said:

I kinda side eyed my wife and was like...hmm. The 2 pointer really made me double hmm. Than again, pour some salt on that wound. It's the fins. *****'em.

The two pointer was ridiculous.  I thought boy the media is going to roast McD on that and they should.

 

The only rationale for it was the Bills have been so lame in the red zone that it was used a "practice".

[Greg S]

No problem with any of it. It was 20-11 at the time. The game was realistically over with a minute left and no timeouts for the Fins. Getting the TD just confirmed it. Besides stranger things have happened. Remember the Bills - Cowboys game on MNF years ago. It looked like the Bills were going to win and the Cowboys scored a couple of times in the final minutes to pull out the win. Painful memory on that one.

[Behindenemylines]

This is big boy sports.  Play to win at every opportunity.  Since we couldn’t just run off the clock a play was needed and you play to score.  
 

not scoring when given the opportunity is more insulting.   
 

I have no problem with the two point attempt other than we are not good at them so we need the practice. 

[Rico]

Remember the 70’s!

 

Remember Shula and his Competition Committee!

 

Remember the fans waving their little white hankies after every Dolphins score!

 

***** them all then and ***** them all now!

 

Edited November 1, 2021 by Rico

[4_kidd_4]

If you don’t want to get scored on then stop us from scoring. First quarter through the fourth quarter. Period.

[LeviF]

***** the Dolphins.  Classless city, classless franchise, they neither deserve nor receive any consideration.

[Bob Chandler's Hands]

Good teams put a team down. There are no "class" points in the NFL, it's about W's and L's. 1% chance you can come back and win? OK then I am putting my boot on your throat until it's 0%. 

[Golden*Wheels]

6 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said:

The two pointer was ridiculous.  I thought boy the media is going to roast McD on that and they should.

 

The only rationale for it was the Bills have been so lame in the red zone that it was used a "practice".

Yeah my worry was too...you saw Josh get mad at the guy who was kind of twisting up on him at the end of that play. Well, he can't get potentially hurt if we kick the XP. And 15 vs 14 at that point...come on.

[Rockpile233]

I don’t really buy that the Bills were still in danger of not winning the game, it was over. 

 

With that being said…RUN IT UP! Demoralize them.

[First Round Bust]

no, if the Fins had the ball they would play for the score and not take a knee...maybe going for two was more controversial  ? but we needed the practice as we give those up easily and struggle as it red zone.

[gordong]

if you don't like it stop them from scoring Miami...   TD was fine, as was the 2 point try. 

[Rocky Landing]

From a team standpoint, the two point conversion was practice. Real game-time experience is invaluable. The TD was slamming the door in the Phin's face. There is no use in giving them the ball back at any point, and even if it was a two score game, don't give them the impetus to go all hail mary and then the onside kick, and all that nonsense. Just slam the door.

 

It's the offense's job to score points. It's the defenses job to stop them. Period. The Bills are a high-character team. We all know that-- that is the way McD/Beane have built the culture. If the Dolphins' feelings are hurt, then they are not of high character.

[Yobogoya!]

Meh, we were on the receiving end of similar or worse plenty of times during the drought years. The Seahawks game where they ran a fake punt up by like three or four scores comes to mind.

 

As a fan you’re angry at the time, but really the team you’re angry at is your own for being too pathetic to stop it. 

[golfball323]

I think it was more of a message to our team. "You guys aren't playing well enough and we're going to *make you earn it* until the clock hits zeroes. 

 

Right message for a team that came out flat.

[LeviF]

7 minutes ago, Bob Chandler's Hands said:

Good teams put a team down. There are no "class" points in the NFL, it's about W's and L's. 1% chance you can come back and win? OK then I am putting my boot on your throat until it's 0%. 

 

Yep.  It's a man's sport.  Anybody here who played competitive sports at any level beyond youth soccer knows this.  

 

And in any case, it's not like they were out there taking shots at the EZ.  The Phins turned the ball over at the 11, clock wasn't going to hit 0:00 on that drive unless the Bills got a 1st down inside of the 1...what do you expect the Bills to do on 4th down with time left on the clock?  Just knee it and politely give the Phins the ball back? No, you're OK with a field goal there but not a little QB rollout on 3rd down? ***** that.

Edited November 1, 2021 by LeviF

[TheBrownBear]

How is this even a question?  We ran the ball on 3rd down, only up 9, with more than a minute left on the clock.  It was a pretty conservative call.  It wasn't as if we pulled some BS trick play or something.  And I've witnessed enough nightmare endings to know that a 9 point lead isn't 100% safe in that situation.

 

Also, Dolphins fans should be glad we lengthened the score.  Might help them get Flores canned a little quicker.  

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

Where’s the option for 

No

[Roundybout]

Honestly, I would have been disgusted if we ran the clock out after Poyer put us on their friggin' 10 yard line. Glad we punished them for it. 

[ProcessTruster]

15 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said:

The two pointer was ridiculous.  I thought boy the media is going to roast McD on that and they should.

 

The only rationale for it was the Bills have been so lame in the red zone that it was used a "practice".

yeah they need reps in the red zone and 2 pointers... I am good with it.  The day will come when the reps will come in handy

[jethro_tull]

It was a feel good gift to the fans at the game.    no harm.  they loved it

[GunnerBill]

Didn't need the 2 point conversion IMO. Otherwise they made the right call on 3rd down to try and either get the 1st down or score. 

[Rochesterfan]

It is easy to me - the drive before at 20-11 were the Dolphins just downing the ball or were they trying to score.  They were trying to score - leading to the pick.  
 

If the Bills don’t score and kick a FG to go up 20-11 - do the Dolphins kneel or do they go out and try to score?  As long as they are still trying to score to get back into the game - you have to try and score to put it away.

 

Once they got the TD to go up 26-11 - the logical play is go for 2 - there is no real difference between 15 and 16 points - both are 2 scores.  The only difference is a 2 pt play moves it to 17 points and makes it 3 scores.  It is logical to go for 2 there once you score.

 

If the Dolphins didn’t want that potentially to happen - they could of just kneeled the series before and let the game play out.

 

Now if it had played out like the NE/NYJ game the week before - that was running up the score - the Bills were still in football range.

 

 

[BillsShredder83]

I'm shocked anyone's saying classless. I don't care how much times left, if you're within 2 scores, you do what you can to make it atleast 3. Nobody wants to be the answer to that trivia question, plus tie breakers. 

Even without that we had a rough loss last week, and a rough start to this game... you gotta chance to get the offenses juices flowing you gotta let them eat

[Beast]

If Miami couldn't stop a QB sweep that's on them. They didn't complain when the Bills did it in 3rd and 9 in the 1st quarter.

[Freddie's Dead]

There was too much clock to take a knee.  We would have given the ball back to the Fish with time to score the two TD's they would have needed.  To paraphrase Roger Dorn, "Lets cut through the crap, Josh.  I only got one thing to say to you.  CHOKE THESE MOTHER ***** OUT!"  And about the 2 pt. conversion, we wouldn't have needed it if that B word Flores hadn't gone for the 2 points himself.

Edited November 1, 2021 by Freddie's Dead

[oldmanfan]

Getting the TD was the right call.  That put us up 26-11 so 15 points.  Then going for 2 was smart because if by some miracle the Fish had scored two TDs (let's say a kickoff runback, then recover an onside with a Hail Mary) , the 2 point conversion would not have allowed them to tie.