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    John Brennan's Security Clearance

    I'll respond to you because it seems you'd actually be interested in discussion. I have said perhaps the best thing to do is simply take clearance away when new administrations come in. Others pointed out some things that made me think about it. i also pointed out the president has the right to do so, but if he does so to potentially obstruct investigation into his administration it could constitute an abuse of that power and if so Congress and the courts should step in. My point was theoretical (again I pointed it out) but driven by the president's own words in the WSJ interview. But when I point that out I'm told we shouldn't actually take those words as having meaning, or somehow twist them into them agreeing with the official statement that had no referral to his WSJ comment. Brennan in his role as a private citizen is very critical of the president. Perhaps overly critical when he talked about treason. How exactly do the comments of a now private citizen lead to revoking clearance? I don't see that. Nor honestly do I think it ultimately is a big deal, because I am quite sure if the current CIA director needed input from Brennan she'd get it despite all this stuff.
  2. Just have to see the severity of the injury.
  3. Hairline. Can heal fairly quickly. Wonder what young guy they bring in now to mop up the fourth preseason game?
  4. oldmanfan

    Bills @ Browns Gameday thread

    He's just solid, but some can't handle the truth!!
  5. oldmanfan

    Bills @ Browns Gameday thread

    O'Leary just makes plays
  6. oldmanfan

    Edmunds is bad

    He's learning.
  7. oldmanfan

    John Brennan's Security Clearance

    I do think for myself. I have read some of the articles and theories of the coup etc. and from what I can see it is ultra right wing individuals opining on things with no actual fact, or trying to weave disparate occurrences into a grand scheme. Have I not said several times here that my main concern is that we as a country get to the bottom of the Russians involvement in our election? Have I not said I was fine with firing Comey because of how he handled the events before the election. Have I not said we need to find whomever was responsible for this Russian thing and charge them with treason regardless of political party? Have I said those things? Yes. But do people sctually read? No. Sp to say I have preconceived notions is the height of hypocrisy. To say I am the one who doesn't think for myself is likewise. What you guys have here is a little group of like minded individuals who have your preconceived notion of this grand conspiracy, refuse to acknowledge at reasonable discussion about it and resort to insult when challenged, and have the audacity to say it's the rest of the world that isn't open to ideas. It would be funny if it weren't so sad. I will let you all have your jollies but leave you with this statement: you show me actual evidence, real evidence that Brenner, Comey, etc actually have conspired against our country, evidence that would bring them before a court and convict them, and I'll be the first one calling for the needle for any and all of them.
  8. oldmanfan

    John Brennan's Security Clearance

    And I have said the Mueller investigation should go after anyone and let the chips fall where they may. Of course, you and your friend think a guy in Mueller that has an impeccable reputation and was lauded by both sides of the aisle all of a sudden has turned into some part of conspiracy because his investigation to date has indicted guys like Flynn and such. But it's the rest of the world that's delusional. You and your friends stay on here and continue to conspire amongst yourselves and listen to the voices inside your heads. As for the rational, we will watch the process unfold and see what comes of it. Regardless of whom it might affect. Because thankfully the majority of folks in this country actually care about things like the sanctity of our democracy and have not sworn allegiance to a man who would be king.
  9. oldmanfan

    John Brennan's Security Clearance

    Your entire series of comments in this thread are tied to your belief in this coup conspiracy.
  10. oldmanfan

    John Brennan's Security Clearance

    Explain why not only Brennan but other are in the crosshairs because as the president stated they were supposedly involved in starting the Russian thing? We live in a bizarre world now where we are just supposed to assume what our president says is untrue and'/or ignore his actual words?
  11. oldmanfan

    John Brennan's Security Clearance

    So you're saying you don't believe the president when he talks? Does this not concern you?
  12. oldmanfan

    John Brennan's Security Clearance

    I don't necessarily think it is UNLESS the removal of that clearance would in some way block investigation of the president in the Russia thing. Would it? Don't know. But why did the president say he did so because of the Russia investigation? Nowhere did I say the CIA conducted any specific investigation.
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    John Brennan's Security Clearance

    There is no problem unless he does so to obstruct the investigation into his administration. Theoretically. And that is why the president saying he did so because of him supposedly starting the investigation is troubling. Again compare to Watergate and the Saturday Night Massacre. Did Nixon have the right to fire those guys? Constitutionally yes since they worked under the Executive branch. But the Congress and courts rightfully saw it as an abuse of power and used their constitutional authority. Here you go. I tried to copy the White House statement but I ciuldn't in my phone, but it's readily available "I call it the rigged witch hunt, (it) is a sham," Mr. Mr. Trump told the Journal, which posted its story on its website Wednesday night. "And these people led it!" He added: "So I think it's something that had to be done." So there you go.
  14. oldmanfan

    John Brennan's Security Clearance

    Because the official statement gives reasons for pulling the clearance. And none of those are the same as what the president said in his WSJ article. Yeah he attempted a coup. Right. I have already said in this thread the President has that authority, and I have said Brennan is no Boy Scout and that I would have asked for his resignation if I had been Obama when he lied about CIA secretly tagging members of Congress. The president by his own words said he removed him primarily because he felt he was involved in the start of the Russia investigation. That suggests abuse of his power
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    John Brennan's Security Clearance

    President's statement: “I call it the rigged witch hunt, [it] is a sham,” Mr. Trump said in an interview. “And these people led it!” And that is why he pulled the clearance and may on others. This was not stated in the official White House release.
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