Hapless Bills Fan Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 4 hours ago, from_dunkirk said: Nope. Stop it. Calling him racist is political. That's the point you don't get. General comment to all: Just for clarity, the rule isn't exactly "no political discussion". If it's directly relevant to football (eg the politics of building a new stadium, politics of taking a knee during game) it's OK in that limited context. Whether or not "calling him racist is political", expressing a viewpoint about the football player AB and his behavior/language is topical here. But broadening it to general political discussion - please, take it to PPP or somewhere else. Not OK. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 5 minutes ago, Chandler#81 said: Calm the * down! Your attempt to hijack this potent thread speaks volumes to your AB ADHD. Newsflash: You’re not the only one with a view to express. Double your meds. I'll have you know that SeeBiscuit played college football!!!! He is "in the know," ya know. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
x-BillzeBubba Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Darragh Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 (edited) 84 on the Patriots? I think they cut a guy with that number mid-season once Edited September 8, 2019 by Dan Darragh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 5 hours ago, Mark Vader said: Second time that the Raiders have done it. The first was Randy Moss. There's got to be at least 10 players over the years. Some didn't work out like Ochocinco. But I'm tired of every team acting like they're too good for these players while NE swoops in and gets them for basically no compensation. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 41 minutes ago, /dev/null said: how long til AB tweets out some criticism of Brady or Belichek, or complains that he's not getting the ball enough hopefully as soon as Gordon has a good game or before.. Hopefully another JuJu type issue. But even then, AB still performed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 So they could have put him on the "Reserved Left Squad" list and he doesn't play all year? Omg. The Raiders are the worst run franchise in North American sports. I'd have put him on that and told him to pound sand. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 11 minutes ago, Big Blitz said: So they could have put him on the "Reserved Left Squad" list and he doesn't play all year? Omg. The Raiders are the worst run franchise in North American sports. I'd have put him on that and told him to pound sand. Didn't want to upset the Players union...................... . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HalftimeAdjustment Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 So, what is the over/under on actual regular season games played by AB this year? Including the risk of injury (real or fake, football or NFI)? When I heard the news, I must admit I hoped he went out with a "nut injury". My wife tells me that is wrong... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoHuddleKelly12 Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 This whole charade shows everything wrong with today's NFL, imho. In other news, congratulations to Vontae!! You're no longer on the list for worst quitter timing ever! At least you gave your team a half's worth of effort before bailing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 1 hour ago, SlimShady'sGhost said: Obligatory TB12 Obligatory AB Stay in yo lane homie 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nelius Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 This is some WWF nonsense. This is infuriating. You know this has been in the works and I can practically guarantee AB shuts his mouth and goes off for 1500 this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 Live from the New England Patriots front office Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 (edited) 10 hours ago, Thurman#1 said: Can't see NE signing him. They sign guys who've been humbled for a year or two, guys who are cheap (maybe Brown will be this time) and guys willing to subvert themselves to the system, often because they've been out in the cold for long enough to make them desperate for a way back in. Brown shows no signs whatsoever of being willing to subvert himself to Belichick's system. 1000 to 1 shot right now, IMO. I can see him getting a contract, but can't see any team giving him significant guarantees, and he asked out of Oakland when his guarantees disappeared. I wonder if he's going to take the year off. Purely a guess, but I think that's what will happen. Saw the news about the Pats on the screen at Tony Roma's tonight eating with the wife. Immediately thought about getting back here and pointing out how thunderously, magnificently wrong I was. I mean, there's wrong, and then there's stunningly dumb, and that's what I was here. "1000 to 1 shot," jeez what an absolute eejit. This'll be a good thing for me to learn from. It's hard to be wronger than I was here. I can't imagine him lasting on that team, but if I've proved anything today, it's that you shouldn't listen to me on this issue. Edited September 8, 2019 by Thurman#1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prickly Pete Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 (edited) 39 minutes ago, Thurman#1 said: Saw the news about the Pats on the screen at Tony Roma's tonight eating with the wife. Immediately thought about getting back here and pointing out how thunderously, magnificently wrong I was. I mean, there's wrong, and then there's stunningly dumb, and that's what I was here. "1000 to 1 shot," jeez what an absolute eejit. This'll be a good thing for me to learn from. It's hard to be wronger than I was here. I can't imagine him lasting on that team, but if I've proved anything today, it's that you shouldn't listen to me on this issue. Actually, you made some good points. Brown's ego trip is still in the ascending. And the Pats willingness to sign him may be an indication that they are a bit concerned about the inevitable decline of Brady's skills, and more willing to take on a risky player. Edited September 8, 2019 by 32ABBA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 (edited) One year deal up to $15M , $9M signing bonus https://247sports.com/Article/Antonio-Brown-New-England-Patriots-Bill-Belchick-signed-Oakland-Raiders-Drew-Rosenhaus-Jon-Gruden-135345144/ https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-england-patriots/antonio-brown-6702/ Edited September 8, 2019 by ALF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandhill Mike Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 8 hours ago, CSBill said: He's not smart enough to orchestrate any of this. Don't give him that much credit. My guess is it was suggested to him and he liked the idea... could have been his agent, his posse, or even Satan... All I know is that he sure looked pleased to be let go by his second team in less than a year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LB3 Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 8 hours ago, BringBackFergy said: Fear?? Dude...you must chill. I don't know if you meant this as a reference but still. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 1 hour ago, Sandhill Mike said: My guess is it was suggested to him and he liked the idea... could have been his agent, his posse, or even Satan... All I know is that he sure looked pleased to be let go by his second team in less than a year. Why would he be pleased to lose @ $39 million? I still like Ryan Leaf's analysis, claiming that he simply doesn't want to play football anymore. That would explain the pleased look on his face, and also suggest NE will have trouble with him too. The saga isn't over yet. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nervous Guy Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 11 hours ago, Big Blitz said: Now would be a great time for Gruden to decide to press charges over that recorded phone call California Under California law, it is a crime punishable by fine and/or imprisonment to record a confidential conversation without the consent of all parties, or without a notification of the recording to the parties via an audible beep at specific intervals. The California Supreme Court has defined a confidential conversation as one in which the parties have a reasonable expectation that no one is listening in or eavesdropping. In addition to criminal penalties, illegal recording can also give rise to civil damages. CA Penal Code § 632 (definition & penalty), § 637.2 (civil damages), Flanagan v. Flanagan, 41 P.3d 575 (Cal. 2002), Cal. Pub. Util. Code Gen. Order 107-B(II)(A) 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 4 hours ago, Thurman#1 said: Saw the news about the Pats on the screen at Tony Roma's tonight eating with the wife. Immediately thought about getting back here and pointing out how thunderously, magnificently wrong I was. I mean, there's wrong, and then there's stunningly dumb, and that's what I was here. "1000 to 1 shot," jeez what an absolute eejit. This'll be a good thing for me to learn from. It's hard to be wronger than I was here. I can't imagine him lasting on that team, but if I've proved anything today, it's that you shouldn't listen to me on this issue. i am going to assume you were wrong about eating at Tony Romas...we were all wrong about AB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prickly Pete Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 (edited) 59 minutes ago, Nextmanup said: I still like Ryan Leaf's analysis, claiming that he simply doesn't want to play football anymore. That would explain the pleased look on his face, and also suggest NE will have trouble with him too. The saga isn't over yet. That is what I was thinking when he started refusing to play with a new helmet. Edited September 8, 2019 by 32ABBA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 8 hours ago, thebug said: Unless he has a major injury. Which is the excuse they use for holding out to get a new long term contract, when they are still under contract. Which I pretty explicitly acknowledged. To say he lost the money is probably not ideal as for all we know he might make more under his new circumstances. He definitely shifted risk towards himself in exchange for more control though. 1 hour ago, Nextmanup said: Why would he be pleased to lose @ $39 million? I still like Ryan Leaf's analysis, claiming that he simply doesn't want to play football anymore. That would explain the pleased look on his face, and also suggest NE will have trouble with him too. The saga isn't over yet. The flip side is, he’s got tens of millions of dollars- if he for whatever reason hated Oakland and wanted to be in New England... there’s little in his life stopping him from saying “f it, let’s make it happen” its hard to relate to as a a bunch of guys that likely mostly need their jobs but I’m sure most of us have had the day dream before when walking out after a bad day at work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackFergy Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 2 hours ago, LBSeeBallLBGetBall said: I don't know if you meant this as a reference but still. Absolutely. I should have said it twice. Great flick. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 3 hours ago, ALF said: One year deal up to $15M , $9M signing bonus https://247sports.com/Article/Antonio-Brown-New-England-Patriots-Bill-Belchick-signed-Oakland-Raiders-Drew-Rosenhaus-Jon-Gruden-135345144/ https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-england-patriots/antonio-brown-6702/ Yep. Went from 3 years and $54M with $29.125M in guarantees to a 1-year deal with $9M guaranteed and up to $15M with incentives and no assurances after this season. Furthermore, with Brady's worsening arm and greater need to rely on Edelman, AB's numbers will invariably decline, meaning his already soft market for 2020 will get even softer. And if he doesn't win a SB with them... This obviously was not the plan all along. I'm glad Beane only inquired and didn't want to pay him because he likely would have pulled the same ***** with the Bills (although I don't think Beane would have cut him, which was a stupid move by Gruden), and was the reason I never wanted him in the first place. And with that, on to the season! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 8 hours ago, /dev/null said: how long til AB tweets out some criticism of Brady or Belichek, or complains that he's not getting the ball enough When is his first game? Sept 17th is my guess Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevewin Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 Well - after sleeping on it, at least I woke up this AM assured in one thing: Yes, it is possible to hate the freaking Cheaters even more. I will be doing a lot of TV muting over the coming days (weeks) as talking heads breathlessly talk of Bellicheat somehow being a genius in this and Patriot** Way transforming men. F me. 1 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starrymessenger Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 It's (unfortunately) obvious that if AB can stay sane and work in the Pats O they are much better than they were day before yesterday. He's crazy but he's a very smart receiver. Knows how to read a defence. Then there is his over the top physical skill. The key however is Brady. He's the engine than drives that offence. He's old. The way to beat him has always been pressure on passing downs, especially up the middle. The Pats interior offensive line is mediocre at best right now. We will see if Dante can work his magic again. My take: Brady isn't what he was, not nearly, but he's probably still good enough to make it work. If he misses time all bets are off however. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rochesterfan Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 12 hours ago, Wayne Arnold said: It could've been Brown's plan all along. Steelers refused to trade him to the Patriots so he wasn't getting there from Pittsburgh. Maybe Brown knew the Raiders were the only team dumb enough to send the Steelers a 3rd and a 5th in order to ultimately send Brown to the Pats. If this was his plan and he truly hated the Bills - wouldn’t he want to screw them worse? Wouldn’t he want to go there and twist a knife to force his way out. If this was his plan - why worry about getting a huge contract extension with guaranteed money - the reason he wanted to go to the Raiders. It was almost the reason they couldn’t cut him or move on. If this was his plan - it would of made more sense to keep his original contract and act crazy because then he gets cut quicker. They have less tied to him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Success Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 1 hour ago, stevewin said: Well - after sleeping on it, at least I woke up this AM assured in one thing: Yes, it is possible to hate the freaking Cheaters even more. I will be doing a lot of TV muting over the coming days (weeks) as talking heads breathlessly talk of Bellicheat somehow being a genius in this and Patriot** Way transforming men. F me. Yeah - I thought my hate had reached its apex. Turns out there is no ceiling. Not healthy. If I had known, I never would have signed up for being a sports fan in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBillsFanSince1973 Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 the obsession with this moron is amazing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Success Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 Just now, DaBillsFanSince1973 said: the obsession with this moron is amazing. He’s a generational talent. I hope it turns into a circus, but a more likely scenario is that he keeps his head down and tears it up this year. And with Gordon, Edelman and a great running game, that offense is unstoppable This is looking like 2007 to me. I hope I’m wrong. I thought this year might offer a small light at the end of the tunnel, but our long national nightmare continues. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4BillsintheBurgh Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 I really can't see how a player who lacks respect for authority will do well on a team that lives by it. This could be one of the worst mistakes the pats* have ever made. I would bet ab will not be part of the team for the whole season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Arnold Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 27 minutes ago, Rochesterfan said: If this was his plan and he truly hated the Bills - wouldn’t he want to screw them worse? Wouldn’t he want to go there and twist a knife to force his way out. If this was his plan - why worry about getting a huge contract extension with guaranteed money - the reason he wanted to go to the Raiders. It was almost the reason they couldn’t cut him or move on. If this was his plan - it would of made more sense to keep his original contract and act crazy because then he gets cut quicker. They have less tied to him. Who says he hates the Bills? Why would he care about the Bills at all? Maybe it wasn't his plan from the very beginning but it sure as hell was his plan over the last six weeks. That much is blatantly obvious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. K Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 In the end it doesn't matter that Brown ended up with the Pats. It's not like the Patriots are a team of Marvel superheroes. The thing is what it always was--the Bills are just going to have to beat them regardless of who's on their roster. Just the way they began beating Marino and the Dolphins regularly in the late 80s even though Marino was considered the best QB in the league. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 15 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said: We are all in agreement that this was CLEARLY in the works for a while right? I haven’t read through the thread but we aren’t all naive enough to think that this Pats deal came together in 30 minutes right? FWIW, I have a good friend that works in the Falcons front office and they want it investigated. The Steelers are in the same boat. ,,,huh?..collusion?......pre-dawn planning?.....don't you think Agent Rosenhaus is a straight up, honest, forthright guy who ALWAYS plays by the rules...why I ALWAYS thought he was the "Mother Theresa of NFL Agents"....... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boca BIlls Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 (edited) So crazy how planned this whole thing was. Drew R. Told AB to get kicked off the team so he could sign him to the Pats the one team the Steelers would not do business with. Drew has this thing all planned out and crazy AB went and did his part. Such a disgusting act, but i expect no less from the Patriots. You aren't supposed to root for injuries against players... so I wont. Edited September 8, 2019 by Boca BIlls Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warren Zevon Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 Mort & Schefter on ESPN just now basically said there was collusion here without actually saying that. According to them.. Pats offered a 1st round pick. Steelers denied and made the trade to the Raiders. Foot issues, letter happens, and then Mort says AB hired social media consultants to advise him what to post to get cut by the team as soon as possible. 5 hours after cut Pats sign 'em - Schefter "unprecedented situation" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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dave mcbride Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 (edited) 17 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said: I mean, did you think they weren’t going to beat us twice? I just pray he’s really crazy and destroys that lockerroom from the inside. I thought the Bills could be competitive at least; they held the Pats offense in relative check last season. Btw, this piece says it all about how the Pats deal with this stuff. Brown is the latest in a long line: https://www.si.com/nfl/2019/09/07/antonio-brown-patriots-bill-belichick Edited September 8, 2019 by dave mcbride Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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