Fitzpatrick officially named starter in Miami

[rayray808]

if Rosen really said that I hope he is out of the league soon

[Hapless Bills Fan]

11 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

I don't think you understand what I'm saying at all so I'm just going to move on

 

NP, but do realize that if people are reading and trying and don't get it, how you phrase and word what you're saying may have an impact.

 

11 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

I'll be shocked if Fitzpatrick plays all 16 games. I just don't understand what Miami has to gain by starting him in the first place.

 

I think Flores genuinely believes Rosen is not quite ready - if nothing else, there are some things he wants Rosen to fix, and Rosen is going to "sit in the corner" (on the bench) until he (Flores) sees progress (or Fitz craps the bed)

 

What Miami has to gain is getting a fair evaluation of a young, potentially good QB who got 'thrown to the wolves' last year and picked up some very bad habits.  Flores wants Rosen to "watch and learn" and see that he can compensate for a poor OL by knowing where to go with the ball and getting rid of it quickly.

 

I don't understand what Miami would gain by "throwing Rosen to the wolves" 2 years in a row if he's not quite ready, just so they can say "well, we played him in 16 games"

 

 

[Boca BIlls]

1 hour ago, HappyDays said:

 

51 minutes ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said:

Fitz ends up winning the job for every team that he goes to. And all people do is act like he sucks. He doesn’t. He has zero physical ability and like a superhero level of heart and intangibles. 

Who has he competed with for those starting jobs? Just stop....

[Kelly the Dog]

3 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

NP, but do realize that if people are reading and trying and don't get it, how you phrase and word what you're saying may have an impact.

 

 

I think Flores genuinely believes Rosen is not quite ready - if nothing else, there are some things he wants Rosen to fix, and Rosen is going to "sit in the corner" (on the bench) until he (Flores) sees progress (or Fitz craps the bed)

 

What Miami has to gain is getting a fair evaluation of a young, potentially good QB who got 'thrown to the wolves' last year and picked up some very bad habits.  Flores wants Rosen to "watch and learn" and see that he can compensate for a poor OL by knowing where to go with the ball and getting rid of it quickly.

 

I don't understand what Miami would gain by "throwing Rosen to the wolves" 2 years in a row if he's not quite ready, just so they can say "well, we played him in 16 games"

 

 

There is no equivalent to experience in games. You can only learn so much on the sidelines. I wanted Josh to start from day one in OTAs, and I think he would be further along in his development if he did. 

[MJS]

Makes sense. I bet all the players love him and would not be happy to see Rosen start.

[HappyDays]

 

[Freddie's Dead]

Always rooting for Fitz to succeed, except when he plays us.  Fear the beard.

[Buffalo716]

1 hour ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said:

Fitz ends up winning the job for every team that he goes to. And all people do is act like he sucks. He doesn’t. He has zero physical ability and like a superhero level of heart and intangibles. 

His physical attributes aren't even horrible.. he wouldn't have lasted that long and started that many games with a sub par arm

 

He has a stronger arm than Barkley 

Edited August 30, 2019 by Buffalo716

[billsbackto81]

Love Fitz!  He's one funny mofo!

Fitz doesn't necessarily make a team better or carry them on his back but given sufficient talent around him like in Tampa he is quite capable of impressive play.

[Rock-A-Bye Beasley]

1 hour ago, HappyDays said:

 

I don't think you understand what I'm saying at all so I'm just going to move on  

 No I know what youre saying. If you don’t have a rebuttal it’s ok. But don’t try to pretend I’m not comprehending you. 

 

I gave you a very valid reason why they may want to sit Rosen instead of “seeing what they have”  

 

it happens to be the same reason the Bills intended to sit Allen last season, except swap out Fitz for Peterman. 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

3 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Fitz would beat out a lot of starting qbs.  As of right now, he’s the second best qb in the division.  

 

Of all the utterly stupifying things you've posted here, THIS may be the mother of them all.

[Buffalo Barbarian]

And sooo many wanted Rosen.

 

way to go Fitzy hope you make it this time, while your team loses.

 

 

[freddyjj]

Rosen should go back to tennis.  Can see him with sweater draped over shoulders on an NFL sideline. 

[Seven-N-Nine]

It won't take long before Rosen is named starter.

[billsfan_34]

Cool, he can throw 4 picks to us times 2 this season.

3 hours ago, Joe in Winslow said:

 

Of all the utterly stupifying things you've posted here, THIS may be the mother of them all.

I would say “a lot of starting qb’s” would equate to at least 1/3 of them- and I can’t come up with that many Fitz would beat out. For every 2 good games he will have 3 terrible games. Thats pretty much been his trend through his journeyman career. Fitz is a number 2, and a high risk high reward one at that. 

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

7 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

Rosen must honestly look that bad in practice.  I’m surprised.

 

....just tipped over his hi-chair with the announcement..................

[Doc Brown]

Once Miami is out of competition Rosen will start the remainder of the season so the Fins can evaluate him.  The one thing you can't do as a head coach is lose the locker room by starting a QB that may be more important long term but doesn't give you the best chance to win now.

[sodbuster]

3 hours ago, Joe in Winslow said:

 

Of all the utterly stupifying things you've posted here, THIS may be the mother of them all.

I agree. He's way better than Brady.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

36 minutes ago, Seven-N-Nine said:

It won't take long before Rosen is named starter.

 

That's Rosen's POV for sure.

[billsfan1959]

6 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

What Miami has to gain is getting a fair evaluation of a young, potentially good QB who got 'thrown to the wolves' last year and picked up some very bad habits.  Flores wants Rosen to "watch and learn" and see that he can compensate for a poor OL by knowing where to go with the ball and getting rid of it quickly.

If you go back and watch Rosen's college games, those bad habits were always there. He was fortunate to have good talent around him most of his college career. However, in those games where he received any kind of consistent defensive pressure, or when his offensive line didn't play very well, those bad habits were very evident - bad decisions, bad throws, etc.

 

I still think Rosen has the physical ability to be a good NFL QB. I just don't know if he has what it takes, mentally. I am not talking about intelligence. I'm talking about the ability to honestly self-evaluate, accept constructive criticism, and truly understand the importance of his demeanor and attitude at this stage of his career and in a position on the team that inherently comes with leadership responsibilities.

[YoloinOhio]

I highly doubt, by the time the Billy play then, Fitz will still be starting. Don’t know if it will be Bad Moon Rosen either. 

[eball]

6 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

I know. Fitz isn’t some scrub.  He was a better qb than Winston last year who was the number 1 overall pick.  Didn’t he just set records for 400 yard passing games in a row?  Obviously bad Fitz will show up but there are way worse qbs to a lose a job to, especially when you are learning your 2nd nfl offense in 2 years. 

 

So here's the point: if you "win" a job but then weeks later can't hang on to it, you're not a good QB.  Who does Fitz typically beat out in these QB competitions, anyway?

 

He's a smart guy (did you know he went to Harvard?) and can learn a playbook, but he can't consistently make the sort of quality NFL throws he needs to make to be a regular starting QB.  He is the perfect 2-3 game fill-in starter if your main guy goes down.  Anything more than that and you're doomed to failure.  And for a guy as smart as he is Fitz falls victim to "hero ball" more than he should.

 

The real problem, though, is that Fitz is clearly a witch.  If he arrives on the roster and you're the current 1st string QB, your head better be on a swivel.

[Chandler#81]

Rasputin. The Legend of Fitz continues!

Congrats, Ryan!

[FiftyPercent]

I'd hate to be a Dolphin fan this season, but maybe they'd be saying the same about being a Bills fan.

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

7 hours ago, Nextmanup said:

Hard Knocks: Miami Edition is starting to make a lot of sense for 2020.

 

 

They might be wise to get a crew down there now to film some ‘Last Season’ footage.  ?

7 hours ago, Kelly the Dog said:

The solution to that dilemma is obvious though. Trade for Jadaveon Clowney. 

No, the solution to that dilemma is to buy him a copy of ‘The Elements of Style’ by William Strunk, Jr.

[ALF]

I would have started Rosen , find out if he is a long term solution.  Fitz is a good backup and mentor.

[Rico]

Poor Josh Rosen.  

 

Congrats Fitzy! 

[Royale with Cheese]

8 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Fitz would beat out a lot of starting qbs.  As of right now, he’s the second best qb in the division.  

 

If that was the case, why hasn’t he been an outright starter?  He’s bouncing around the league because he keeps losing his job.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

It took them long enough to state the obvious.  

 

Now, come week 6 or so...  that's another story.  

[HOUSE]

THE BEARD IS FEARED.. ain't it weird?

[Magox]

I was blasted by the Rosen fan boys of this board (and there were many) when I said that one of the reasons Rosen's stock continued to fall after the draft was because of how much of an insufferable douche he can be.

 

He still continues to be that same guy.

[Golden*Wheels]

GODDAMIT the one year I'd have been happy to open the season in the humid funk down in Miami....

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

16 minutes ago, HOUSE said:

THE BEARD IS FEARED.. ain't it weird?

If Rosen grows a beard, maybe he and Fitz can be the new Smith Bros. on the cough drop box.

[Don Otreply]

8 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Flores was pretty up-front and laid it out there:

https://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/miami-dolphins/fl-sp-dolphins-saints-notes-20190829-ned7kq567bg57nabpjjurwcgna-story.html

 

"When Rosen worked with the first-team offense,...... Flores was rightfully critical of his young player’s performance. Flores challenged Rosen to improve his body language and on-field demeanor, while adding Rosen needs to get rid of the football faster, and have better decision making regarding throwing risky passes while trying to avoid sacks.

 

Flores also shared a hypothetical quarterback philosophy in recent weeks, where he said a young quarterback like Rosen should spend some time on the bench to absorb the offense, while developing a hunger and gratitude to have such an opportunity to be a starting NFL quarterback."

 

Sounds as though Flores feels Rosen needs to be humbled a bit, as well as to do a better job of applying what he's been told. So he's applying a "tincture of Time (on the bench)"

 

 

Na, na, don't be hasty.  Fitz named as starter for Game 1 does not mean Fitz will remain the starter for game 5, or game 6, much less game 16.

This right here ^^^^

 

And frankly it’s the obvious decision for the fish to make, it’s a bit baffling that some don’t grasp this.  Oh, and F the Phins

 

Go Bills!!!

[Trogdor]

7 hours ago, Kelly the Dog said:

There is no equivalent to experience in games. You can only learn so much on the sidelines. I wanted Josh to start from day one in OTAs, and I think he would be further along in his development if he did. 

At the same time, not much can be gained when your team gives up 17 sacks in under 2.5 seconds. That Arizona line is historically bad and I'm not sure anything but bad habits could be developed. I expect much of the same for them this year. 

26 minutes ago, Magox said:

I was blasted by the Rosen fan boys of this board (and there were many) when I said that one of the reasons Rosen's stock continued to fall after the draft was because of how much of an insufferable douche he can be.

 

He still continues to be that same guy.

See the Rodgers post for bias. Basically the same type of guy that teammates generally like and fans hate. A lot of people on here are still hurt that he doesn't like Trump. I'm not trying to make this a political post, but there was a lot of hate when the picture came out and it's remained. There is no other reason to hate an opposing QB so much and we haven't even played him yet.

Edited August 30, 2019 by Trogdor

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

Everyone knows this isn’t how it works. You name the other guy, he gets hurt and then Fitz steals his job intermittently 

Edited August 30, 2019 by Over 29 years of fanhood

[frostbitmic]

This is revolting

[atlbillsfan1975]

This makes me believe the rumors about an unhappy locker room. Fitz looks better right now today. Fitz has reached the pinnacle of what he can be. A below average starting QB in the league but a great backup that can win some games filling in for an injured starting QB. In a perfect scenario I am sure the Dolphins would like to play Rosen and see what he is. So either the Dolphins are afraid of the team or afraid of scarring Rosen even more, or both. 

[Magox]

1 hour ago, Trogdor said:

 

See the Rodgers post for bias. Basically the same type of guy that teammates generally like and fans hate. A lot of people on here are still hurt that he doesn't like Trump. I'm not trying to make this a political post, but there was a lot of hate when the picture came out and it's remained. There is no other reason to hate an opposing QB so much and we haven't even played him yet.

 

It's not a matter of hate but a matter of how much of a douchebag he has shown to be.

[C.Biscuit97]

7 hours ago, Joe in Winslow said:

 

Of all the utterly stupifying things you've posted here, THIS may be the mother of them all.

What’s wrong with it?  I did change it to a lot but he is definitely the second best qb, right now, in the division.  

 

And you post the same boring crap I stopped McDermott (“I love McBeane and if you don’t, I hate you”)

5 hours ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:

And sooo many wanted Rosen.

 

way to go Fitzy hope you make it this time, while your team loses.

 

 

How many terrible qbs have you wanted over the year?  And doing a victory lap, when our own qb has a ton of work to do himself, at the start of their second season seems dumb.