SoCal Deek Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 All kidding aside, once a team has their franchise QB, they need to spend money on an offensive line to protect him, and let everyone else be younger and cheaper. The mistake the Bills made was going ‘all in’ after 13 seconds thinking they were right there, and maybe they were, but it didn’t work out. So guys like Von, Diggs and Knox have to go, and probably should never been signed or extended in the first place. Starting today, this is NOW Josh Allen’s team. Period! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 3 minutes ago, Beast said: No, actually it is looking very goood. Diggs and his sulking, non-productive ways are out of the locker room. The Bills went on a 5 game winning streak to win the division title in spite of Diggs lack of production. Diggs had 37 catches for 349 yards and 1 TD in the last 8 games of the regular season, while being on the field for 80 plus percent of the offensive snaps. Bye, Stefon. Those stats and better can be replaced quite easily, minus the attitude. It's really not. It'll likely look better as we move towards the season. But this was a huge hit, particularly for this year's team and future cap status. And to remind you, Diggs was 6th in the league in receptions, 13th in yards, 10th in first downs and tied for 7th in TDs last year. It's not fair to only look at his worst section of the season and pretend they sum up his year. Not even close. That production absolutely can NOT "be replaced quite easily." 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 5 minutes ago, ngbills said: How is it not an F? Because this is a Bills forum and the Bills are an amazing franchise (cricket sound as we cut to an empty trophy case) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 18 minutes ago, Logic said: Not sure if this has been posted yet, as I have no desire to wade through 56 pages of hand wringing, but... Known Bills supporter and Allen defender Dave Portnoy (I say with tongue firmly in cheek) has this to say: Imagine your boss going out of his way to tell the world that you are a moron. haha. 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoTier Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 6 minutes ago, Buffalo Boy said: Da Fug?!?! Which skill? Breaking through the LOS on a carry and averaging over a yard less than Cooke while looking patheticly slow in comparison? How about blocking? How about running pass routes? NFL RBs are expected to do both well if they want to be starters. My guess is that Cook took awhile to master those skills well enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billybob71 Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 ok the Bills have pulled me back in and now I am more interested in the coming season 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmart128 Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 Man it sucks not being able to get a thing for 2024. Wont notice the extra cap space until 2025 and wont get any picks until 2025. I hope we trade for Tee Higgins. Offer him a contract that goes into effect 2025. And still just a WR 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob in STL Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 2 hours ago, Ethan in Cleveland said: A 2025 2nd round pick! Beane got had. This is all to placate McD's fragile ego. This is really stupid move for this year. Only way Beane recovers from this is to mortgage multiple picks to move up and get one of the top 3 WR. Sad sad day when you chose the loser HC over the guy that was the heart and soul of the team for years. You keep repeating this terrible take. Diggs is not, and never was ,the heart and soul of anything. He wanted out. He is a selfish problem child. McDermott is worth far more to the Bills and has done more to establish the Bills as a legitimate powerhouse than Diggs has. I wish we got more in return. It says a lot about how Diggs is perceived in the NFL. He is not a deep threat and he disappeared last season. 3 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zevo Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 Just now, billybob71 said: ok the Bills have pulled me back in and now I am more interested in the coming season count me as intrigued as well 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 12 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said: Anyone that grades a pick an 'A' where one team gives up a top 7 player at their position, $30M in cap space and two day 3 picks to receive a future 2nd round pick in compensation is delusional. For that to be an A, you'd have to be talking a first round pick or multiple early day 2 picks and a prospect with no other compensation going back the other way. 😂😂 Delusional is thinking Diggs is worth anything close to what you're taking about 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddaryl Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 until I see how he uses the trade I can't grade anything Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 Texans got a stacked O. Wow. not sure how their ol is but they got ton of weapins and looks like elite QB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
babulator Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 1 minute ago, PastaJoe said: But many of those TDs to others were possible in part because Diggs drew the top cover guys to him. We'll be drafting a top WR for sure 100%. Just a matter of who and where. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLFan Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 58 minutes ago, SirAndrew said: I don’t hate the trade, and I think Beane did a brilliant job turning us into contenders. However, I’m starting to see Beane and McD display some of the traits that ended Beane’s tenure in Carolina. Beane is team building the same way he did in Carolina, and it didn’t end great. I worry he’s repeating the same mistakes. Beane was not the GM in Carolina so I am not sure what the comparison is. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 Anybody else remember how Diggs dropped a perfect bomb from Allen in the 4th quarter against KC, and then on the most crucial play of the game Allen ignored his #1 receiver who was open underneath to try and get the ball to Shakir? Yeah...all was not peaches and cream between Josh and Diggs... Onward and upward! 4 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 1 minute ago, Mango said: Imagine your boss going out of his way to tell the world that you are a moron. haha. I loved that. Turns out the writer was known moron Nicky Smokes (Dolphins fan, agitator, immature goofball). Portnoy proceeded to double down on the "moron" comment once he realized it, too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 For those saying the compensation for Diggs was terrible: 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NORWOODS FOOT Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 Ya Digg it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
appoo Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 5 minutes ago, Mango said: I think people get confused with the dead cap number. It isn't in addition to, it is instead of. Sure the dead cap number is important, but the more important number is the delta. Generally when you hear that "teams have an out" it is that the delta moves from a cap negative to a cap positive. Because Diggs was restructured it lowered his base salary and increased his bonus money. His bonus money stays with the Bills (dead cap) and the receiving team is only on the hook for his salary. BUT!!!! His salary only counts towards the cap if he is on the roster. So if Houston doesn't want Diggs they can move on and clear his cap number fully at any time. The numbers work out as: - 2024 Diggs on the Bills: ~$28M - 2024 Diggs off the Bills: ~$31M - 2024 delta Bills Salary Cap: -$3M - 2025 delta Bills Salary Cap: +$25-30M-ish - 2024 Diggs on Houston Texans: ~$19M - 2025 Houston cuts Diggs : +$18.5M (no dead money) Diggs Spotrac Breakdown https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/houston-texans/stefon-diggs-16872/ Bills Spotrac Breakdown 2024 https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/cap/ Bills Spotrac Breakdown 2025 https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/cap/2025/ Financially this worked out great for Buffalo. They can trade for Higgins and extend them if they chose to 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoonerBillsFan Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 2 minutes ago, Mango said: Imagine your boss going out of his way to tell the world that you are a moron. haha. OMG thats great! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoTier Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 5 minutes ago, zevo said: What’s going to happen when the bill select an edge at 28? 🤣 They take a WR in the 2nd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan in Chicago Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 7 minutes ago, SoonerBillsFan said: Spot freaking on! Excellent take by Brandt. Much as I feel sad in seeing Diggs go, I agree with all of what he said 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hondo in seattle Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 I'm surprised by how binary this conversation is. Most folks are either applauding the move or criticizing it. Pro or Con. I'm ambivalent. I don't like the cap ramifications. And I want Josh to have better weapons this year than last, not worse. With both Gabe and Diggs departing - whatever their shortcomings - we've lost a lot of receptions & yards. I'm sure Beane has a plan to replace the lost production with Samuels being part of that plan but we can't see the whole plan yet which makes me wonder how solid it is. On the other hand, Diggs had attitude problems, wasn't much of a deep threat anymore, didn't thrive under Brady, and, given his age, the clock was ticking on his Buffalo career anyway. Neither happy nor sad, I'm just curious. What's Beane going to do with limited resources to get Josh the targets he deserves? 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBill Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 3 minutes ago, babulator said: I saw another discussion where they said who tf cares about dead cap this year, because there's no one left to sign. Better to clear the books now and have an extra 25m next year to play with, after we draft one of the stud WR's this year. Interesting thought. I’m not thinking this is 100% true on its face. The idea can be extended to the idea that Beane is done shopping for FA’s. He likely does not see any more crumbs in the cookie jar that he wants to pursue this year. He will hopefully have a good young receiver next year on the roster and money to move in FA with this move. I really think Diggs best days are behind him. This was a good move to save a train wreck. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
appoo Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 5 minutes ago, UKBillFan said: I don't mind Diggs going - it struck me he had rapidly become a problem in the locker room rather than someone who could be relied upon. But only a 2nd round pick in 2025 for him. A very poor return which does suggest a level of desperation. you honestly thought someone was gonna toss a 1st round pick for a 31 year old WR who was showing legit signs of decline? 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 2 minutes ago, Kmart128 said: Man it sucks not being able to get a thing for 2024. Wont notice the extra cap space until 2025 and wont get any picks until 2025. I hope we trade for Tee Higgins. Offer him a contract that goes into effect 2025. And still just a WR What we are getting in 2024 is probably a top 5 pick after we trade this and next year's firsts plus one of next year's seconds. The trade provided that additional capital needed to move up now. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
par73 Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 So the next step is to move up for one of the top WR prospects? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 4 minutes ago, Thurman#1 said: It's really not. It'll likely look better as we move towards the season. But this was a huge hit, particularly for this year's team and future cap status. And to remind you, Diggs was 6th in the league in receptions, 13th in yards, 10th in first downs and tied for 7th in TDs last year. It's not fair to only look at his worst section of the season and pretend they sum up his year. Not even close. That production absolutely can NOT "be replaced quite easily." It was the majority of his season. totally fair. he was in free fall---time to cut him loose Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJB Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 1 hour ago, KDIGGZ said: A lot of homers on this board. Any other board this trade is an F Wait can Dolphins fans read all the way to the letter F? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PastaJoe Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 1 minute ago, babulator said: We'll be drafting a top WR for sure 100%. Just a matter of who and where. That’s a stretch to think a rookie they can realistically pick will come in and immediately be impactful enough to garner similar coverage. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruffalo Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 Just now, SoTier said: They take a WR in the 2nd. In that (awful, in my opinion) scenario, I'd hope they'd trade up to 29-31 to leapfrog the Chiefs, who are going to be the beginning of the 2nd run on WRs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 1 hour ago, appoo said: All great NFL WRs are completely bonkers and head cases. Love Diggs he was tremendous for this franchise I don’t like grouping and judging people like that. SOME of the WR’s are head cases, and it’s probably a good bit higher percentage than other positions. BUT, I’m sure there some Larry Fitzgerald types in the league who should not be lumped in with the head cases. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 1 minute ago, hondo in seattle said: I'm surprised by how binary this conversation is. Most folks are either applauding the move or criticizing it. Pro or Con. I'm ambivalent. I don't like the cap ramifications. And I want Josh to have better weapons this year than last, not worse. With both Gabe and Diggs departing - whatever their shortcomings - we've lost a lot of receptions & yards. I'm sure Beane has a plan to replace the lost production with Samuels being part of that plan but we can't see the whole plan yet which makes me wonder how solid it is. On the other hand, Diggs had attitude problems, wasn't much of a deep threat anymore, didn't thrive under Brady, and, given his age, the clock was ticking on his Buffalo career anyway. Neither happy nor sad, I'm just curious. What's Beane going to do with limited resources to get Josh the targets he deserves? we lose $3M is cap space this season, plus Diggs...gain a lot next season 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkyMannn Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 52 minutes ago, CaliBills said: Wonder if he will like being a #2 receiver? Or 3 behind Collins AND Dell 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biggerdaddynj Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 16 minutes ago, Sweats said: I'm just saying relax, brother. I see great things coming from this franchise this year. I am really frustrated, as most here are, I’m sick of seeing our luck and then we hit the lottery finally getting a generational talent at QB (sorry Jeff Tuel) and we seem not to be able to give him what he could have won with the last few years. Drink a Guinness for you with a shot of Jameson and let’s be back to Bills Brothers! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKBillFan Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 Just now, appoo said: you honestly thought someone was gonna toss a 1st round pick for a 31 year old WR who was showing legit signs of decline? Not a first, but maybe two picks rather than one. However, I'll freely admit I have no idea how the calculations work for picks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
78thealltimegreat Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 1 hour ago, Ethan in Cleveland said: The media loves to praise teams on the way up and bash those on the way up. Texans are ascending Bills look at best from the outside to be treading water or in decline. We know the players that Beane got rid of were all replaceable. But when you lose both safeties, your center, and your #1 WR it looks really bad. The trade sucks. The media knows McDermott is a joke too. They know he cost us a SuperBowl. They know he can't beat Reid in the playoffs. They love Ryans right now. The only thing that reverses the narrative is winning the SuperBowl. Until then all we are is a team wasting a HOF QB, just like the Chargers with Rivers, the Dolphins with Marino, and Elway with Reeves. Ethan I can’t argue with you. They must have something going on cause they didn’t need to do this and leave a hole the size of an aircraft career at WR now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
appoo Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 Just now, hondo in seattle said: I'm surprised by how binary this conversation is. Most folks are either applauding the move or criticizing it. Pro or Con. I'm ambivalent. I don't like the cap ramifications. And I want Josh to have better weapons this year than last, not worse. With both Gabe and Diggs departing - whatever their shortcomings - we've lost a lot of receptions & yards. I'm sure Beane has a plan to replace the lost production with Samuels being part of that plan but we can't see the whole plan yet which makes me wonder how solid it is. On the other hand, Diggs had attitude problems, wasn't much of a deep threat anymore, didn't thrive under Brady, and, given his age, the clock was ticking on his Buffalo career anyway. Neither happy nor sad, I'm just curious. What's Beane going to do with limited resources to get Josh the targets he deserves? I'm a bit more cautious about this short term because for the Bills to get better they need to replace Diggs with someone who can win downfield - no guarantee. I'm very happy long term because of how much cap this frees up. Allen is gonna be in his prime until he's like 35 at least. They have a very long window, and the way it worked with Diggs and Von they have a ton of flexibility to create a great roster around Josh 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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RichRiderBills Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 Hate the move on so many levels. Houston is going to be a div rival! You just made the path to the super bowl harder. Wtf! 1 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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