Inigo Montoya Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 (edited) There's a thread simmering on Fins Heaven entitled "Do not resign Tua". It seems about evenly split on the proposition (link below). Tua is currently playing on the fourth year of his rookie contract at $9 million this year. They exercised his 5th year option and next year he will be on the books for $23 million fully guaranteed (link below). The question is what to do afterwards? I don't think there's a good answer for the Dolphins, either overpay a QB who probably isn't good enough to get you to a Super Bowl, or head back to wandering in the QB desert hoping to get lucky. With the escalation in QB contracts the Dolphins will be looking at $50 million a year to keep Tua. Look at the last several QB contracts yearly average (link below). Where do you slot Tua in when it's his turn? Burrow; $55 million Herbert; $52.5 million Lamar; $52 million Hurts; $51 million Wilson; $49 million Murray; $46.1 million There's a quote in the thread which pretty closely mirrors my opinion on the situation with Tua; "We're in the Daniel Jones no-man's land where we're gonna have to sign him since there's no one else and we're not going to be able to do it on the cheap so we're gonna be investing a lot of money in one guy who we're not even really sure is the guy since he has yet to actually ball out in a big game" https://finheaven.com/threads/do-not-resign-tua.381887/ https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/miami-dolphins/tua-tagovailoa-47598/ https://overthecap.com/position/quarterback Edited January 3 by Inigo Montoya 4 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 Tua will get paid and it will be 50 mil per at least. Do I think he deserves it? No. But I also didn’t think Hurts did either. 13 11 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kincaid Kool-Aid Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 Let’s hope so. Tyreek will only have his game breaking speed for so long, Waddle is very good but not great and Mostert is older as well. Let the fish tie up a boatload of the cap to a noodle armed injury prone QB who can’t win big games. Also, the least they could do is overpay him after actively trying to get him killed last year. Yeesh.. 6 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoHuddleKelly12 Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 I’m here for this. By all means sign Tua (but best have some tuppins left over for a serviceable backup ‘cause you’ll need that guy eventually) and let the Bills keep spoiling the Phins’ division hopes🥸. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Sack Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 But Tua has less interceptions than Allen so he must be better. 6 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 They have to pay him. They don't really have options. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GETTOTHE50 Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 What else are they going to do? Sign joe Flacco to throw bombs to Tyreek for one year? Who else is out there. Russel Wilson? Gardner minshew? Baker mayfield? They are like the cowboys with Dak. They have no choice but to sign him long term. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QB Bills Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 (edited) Lots of needless Tua hate. He's a pretty good QB. And seems like a nice kid too. Hope he gets his. Edited January 3 by QB Bills 12 1 4 1 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Generic_Bills_Fan Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 8 minutes ago, QB Bills said: Lots of needless Tua hate. He's a pretty good QB. And seems like a nice kid too. Hope he gets his. I don’t think it’s hate at all lol everyone is saying what you are saying…he’s pretty good but they’re gonna have to pay him like he’s excellent hence the dilemma 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 20 minutes ago, QB Bills said: Lots of needless Tua hate. He's a pretty good QB. And seems like a nice kid too. Hope he gets his. Nobody is hating him. And being a "pretty good QB" is exactly the problem. He is like Kirk Cousins or Dak Prescott. Good enough to have a good regular season and get to the playoffs sometimes, but not good enough to win a Super Bowl. Not good enough to be able to put the team on his back and will them to victory. Teams with a QB like that usually have to pay them, but then never end up going anywhere in the long run until they move on. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That's No Moon Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 Tua is a 1 read QB. He had a noodle arm, not mobile, and has a history of concussions. Naturally he's about to be the highest paid player in NFL history! 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Governor Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 Keeping Tua means you’re stuck with an offense that relies entirely on speed and timing and that usually only gets you so far. If the offense gets stopped, I understand why fans would want a change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 Tua will sign for mid 40’s on a short term, two or three year deal, and the guarantees will be low. No team is going to offer him more, especially with his concussion history. If he can stay healthy it will be a good deal for Miami. Tua is a good QB. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Stonada Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 Who says he can't get them there? He's not Brady or Mahomes, but Flacco, Wilson, Eli Manning, Brad Johnson, Trent Dilfer all won Super Bowls. He's in that league for sure. Heck the Bills lost SBs to Jeff Hostetler and Mark Rypien. You don't throw away Tua when you have nothing else. What they need to do is improve their defense, especially the coaching. 3 6 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 You have to pay him. It is about structuring it as cleverly as possible to limit the length of the true commitment to 2-3 years max. The AAV is the flashy figure and that will be in the $50m range. But this contract is all about the structure and the guarantees. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Since1981 Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 have to pay tuafish. I don’t think he’s a top 10. But AFC is now littered by clubs chasing QB1 for years. Plus multi year debacles in Jets, Broncos, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 I like Tua. He's a high character young man, on and off the field. He's not a bad QB, but he's not a great QB. It is similar to the Daniel Jones situation in a way, but I think Tua is the better passer of the two. Two things stand out though. One, he is fragile. One more concussion could end his career. That scene against the Bengals last year was scary. And his lengthy injury history goes all the way back to college. Two, he seems to disappear in the moments you'd expect a $50M QB to show up. Tua has two actual game winning drives in his NFL career. Both came in 2021 and both were against the Jets. There is nothing about Tua that strikes fear into another team. Have you ever heard anyone, announcers, analysts, bobbleheads, opposing team's players, coaches, I mean anyone say, "We don't want to leave Tua too much time,"? I haven't. I've heard them say it about Mahomes, JA, Lamar, Hurts, Burrow, and even Stafford, but never Tua. He's a solid QB in the perfect offensive system for his skillset, but nothing about him is elite. The Dolphins will be forced to pay him unless they are fortunate enough to find a QB who outperforms his draft position. Can't say it will hurt my feelings when the Dolphins cut that check. 6 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 4 hours ago, Virgil said: Tua will get paid and it will be 50 mil per at least. Do I think he deserves it? No. But I also didn’t think Hurts did either. Totally agree. The advantage that Allen/Mahomes has is they can make something out of nothing at times. Even in reset years it means that they will always have a chance. KC and Buffalo likely misses the playoffs with Tua at QB. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strive_for_five_guy Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 I’m glad we don’t have this dilemma with our QB. Whatever they pay Tua, it will be more than I’d ever want to fork up for the guy. And I think McDaniel will convince that powers in Miami to do it, as I think he will feel a sense of loyalty to Tua and making things work with him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 I understand questioning if he is the guy to sign to a big exp tract but it is not the same as Daniel jones IMO. There is a big gap between the two. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackbeard Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 Hard to root against Tua getting paid. Good attitude. Very accurate. Just has too many cons with fragility and immobility. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 I don’t like having this conversation this week. Let’s wait until the Fish are eliminated from the playoffs. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 He deserves the 'big bucks'. Especially after the concussion misdiagnosis. 🤕 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 They can push the decision down the road a year by letting him play out his 5th year option next year and then slapping the franchise tag on him the following year. I'd even use the same non exclusive tag that the Ravens put on Lamar. Pretty safe as I don't see anyone giving up 2 firsts and a huge contract for Tua and it lets him see what his value is around the league. While I don't think he's a "$50 million dollar QB" I do believe his worth is much higher to the Dolphins in that system than he would be to any other team. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 5 hours ago, GETTOTHE50 said: What else are they going to do? Sign joe Flacco to throw bombs to Tyreek for one year? Who else is out there. Russel Wilson? Gardner minshew? Baker mayfield? They are like the cowboys with Dak. They have no choice but to sign him long term. The Cowboys have Trey Lance on his rookie deal. I wouldn't be shocked if they move on from Dak tbh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 Let’s see how he does the rest of this year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 If I was a Dolphin fan the concussions would scare the sheet out of me. That guaranteed money could be a killer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 They have no other choice. I look at two QB's: Hertz and Purdy. Switch the two and there is little difference. Put them on any other team and there is no improvement. The opposite is true for Lamar Jackson or Joe Burrough Both are very good but both are limited on their ceiling. Jackson isn't a 2+ read QB. Burrough is not a 17 year QB. But both enhance their team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBFL Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 Ambiguously, you’re winning a game more than losing with Tua in that offense and with the way QB contracts are going he is going to make $40-50m p/a. Tua is like marmite I guess. 10 minutes ago, Bogie_Klinkhammer said: If I was a Dolphin fan the concussions would scare the sheet out of me. That guaranteed money could be a killer. Not having some semblance of a QB should scare them more… 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 Obviously they don't have to re-sign him. The beauty of that offensive system is that it's not reliant on a great QB. Draft another QB and sign more great skill players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 5 hours ago, Scott7975 said: They have to pay him. They don't really have options. The thing is though, Miami is $50m OVER the Cap now and MANY Dolphins contracts are expiring after the season. Compound this with a near completely bare cupboard for Draft picks due to their ‘All In To Beat Buffalo’ mantra and the end of this desperate and hopeful choice will reap zero rewards if we win Sunday. We’re known to bash Beane for filling our roster with ‘good not great’ players and being patient with their development, but our scheme is effective in today’s NFL. The Dolphins will field a much less talented roster next year and beyond. Re-Signing ‘Turnaballova’ will just make them our beotch even longer. They chose to go All In and they’re gonna pay the Piper for it. Jets giving away the farm for their egomaniac, flighty and washed up QB has them in the same boat with no oars. If we can win Sunday night, we COULD see a Division dominance that rivals Brady’s NE* days. 3 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterpan Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 Personally I like Tua. He is a good dude and is better than most fans here give him credit for. I also don’t see him as much of a threat! But yes, he likely isn’t good enough to carry a team the way a $50 million a year guy needs to. that’s where I think these QBs would be better off long term, accepting less money. Mahomes is in every single ad. Tom Brady is getting $375 million to Broadcast with NBC. I doubt those deals happen without WINNING. Mahomes obviously is lacking WR talent this year, just like Josh is. If they took less salary, and got assurances from the team they’d bring in some playmakers, it would help the team win and help them look good — the same way hill and waddle make Tua look good. They’d earn the money back in endorsements, TV deals, jersey sales, etc. Anyway, Tua or a QB like him, would be smart to sign for 30-35 a year instead of 50. Win more, get more endorsements, get more of a fan base, improve your brand, land the TV gig…. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Boo Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 Tua is a lot better than people give him credit for. He's certainly better than Daniel Jones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJGauna Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 Sign Tua to a contract that is easy to get out of and draft Penix and let him develop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSBill Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 6 hours ago, GETTOTHE50 said: What else are they going to do? Sign joe Flacco to throw bombs to Tyreek for one year? Who else is out there. Russel Wilson? Gardner minshew? Baker mayfield? They are like the cowboys with Dak. They have no choice but to sign him long term. Kirk Cousins would thrive with their weapons. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoonerBillsFan Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 6 hours ago, Inigo Montoya said: There's a thread simmering on Fins Heaven entitled "Do not resign Tua". It seems about evenly split on the proposition (link below). Tua is currently playing on the fourth year of his rookie contract at $9 million this year. They exercised his 5th year option and next year he will be on the books for $23 million fully guaranteed (link below). The question is what to do afterwards? I don't think there's a good answer for the Dolphins, either overpay a QB who probably isn't good enough to get you to a Super Bowl, or head back to wandering in the QB desert hoping to get lucky. With the escalation in QB contracts the Dolphins will be looking at $50 million a year to keep Tua. Look at the last several QB contracts yearly average (link below). Where do you slot Tua in when it's his turn? Burrow; $55 million Herbert; $52.5 million Lamar; $52 million Hurts; $51 million Wilson; $49 million Murray; $46.1 million There's a quote in the thread which pretty closely mirrors my opinion on the situation with Tua; "We're in the Daniel Jones no-man's land where we're gonna have to sign him since there's no one else and we're not going to be able to do it on the cheap so we're gonna be investing a lot of money in one guy who we're not even really sure is the guy since he has yet to actually ball out in a big game" https://finheaven.com/threads/do-not-resign-tua.381887/ https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/miami-dolphins/tua-tagovailoa-47598/ https://overthecap.com/position/quarterback Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiracleAtRich1393 Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 14 minutes ago, JJGauna said: Sign Tua to a contract that is easy to get out of and draft Penix and let him develop. Don't give them any good ideas! 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 I will say an after game prayer for all Miami fans 🙏 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhitewalkerInPhilly Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 I think they have to pay him. They are in the same boat as the Bills in terms of salary cap, but with even more long term vets likely on the chopping block. One of the easiest ways for them to make cap space is to sign him to a long term deal and kick the can down the road on the cap hit (like we do with Josh). And ultimately, what are their options? Do they wait for the unicorn of a better QB hitting free agency? Do they trade for a guy...like the Brown and Broncos (who were supposed to be stacked outside of QB and see how that has worked out)? With Tua they are good enough that they will need to pick outside of the top 10 for a while unless they start stockpiling picks like the Bills did and even then the draft is always a crap shoot. I will call the Dolphins frauds like I call the Cowboys frauds, and there is a reason why the 'Boys have been spinning their wheels: they have a bit above average QB, but who demands to be paid as if he is a top 5. I predict the Dolphins will overpay on Tua and then run into a wall in a few years when they realize that it's hard to pay Tua AND Hill AND Waddle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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