Matt_In_NH

Can you still catch the ball if it only hits the ground once?

The thing that really sucks is when you dive into the regular season data the bills should have multiple super bowls. They have been historically good. The problem is defense in the playoffs. I loved McDermott but at some point when you keep giving up 30 plus points on elimination games something has to give here is something else I looked at a bit ago regarding 30 points or more against in the playoffs Tom Brady has played 45 playoff games and his defense has given up 30 points 6 times Josh Allen has 15 playoff games and his defense has given up 30 points 5 times.

So maybe there are GM's with higher pro bowl hit rates than Beane but actually totally failed? That kind of makes my point that you need to have a comprehensive analysis to sort through GM performance. I dont see how looking at the whole body of work with Beane you cannot at least agree his one of the better GM's. Would I rather have Les Snead or Howie Rosman? Yeah I think those guys are better. BB is not known for his drafting prowess at all. In fact the thing that made him great in that double hatted role was that he did not stick with bad draft picks because he drafted them. In fact he often did not stick with great draft picks because their market value was more than his perceived value and he would trade them away or let them walk. People literally make the same argument for Belichick as they do Beane....it was all the QB. That is ridiculous for both of them. I am going to stick to my guns on Pro Bowls being a BS measure though. A guy makes it one year maybe because of injury replacement or happenstance/popularity while other guys who deserve it dont get in. We have to do better than counting guys who made Pro Bowl's, just my opinion.... Through this conversation I agree the Bills lack top end difference makers so I agree with this. However I also acknowledge there is some luck with that. Did everyone know Chris Jones would become who he is? I would argue no or he would have gone sooner, same with many others. You listed 4 other guys who have been AP's through this run, just not all in the same year. I would like more AP's too. And I continue to do so, PB is not a way to measure a players true impact, I think we just disagree on that point. The biggest indictment on Beane I think is in fact lack of high end players and part of the reason for that is because he signs "good" players too often. I will point out a few extensions he did that I was not crazy about when they happened, Tyler Bass, Dawson Knox and Terrell Bernard. All three I feel were not good deals at the time the deals were made. On the flip side he has made a bunch of other extensions that are home runs like Cook and Bendord. At the end of the day, he is given black checks by Terry to manage the roster and cap in his best way and ultimately I dont think he has done that really well. He loves to have a really high floor for the bottom 15 players and a higher middle class than most rosters. The expense is he is not able to make a deal for Trey Hendrickson or other higher end guys even in traces. On the flip side, there is this: His teams literally have the most points score and have had the least points against in the last 5 years. Yet they have nothing to show for it, is that because they don't have the players or because things have failed in the playoffs, specifically on defense? They have players that are only good in the reg season but not against better talent? https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/least-points-allowed-by-nfl-team-last-5-years - Bills Number 1 https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/most-points-by-nfl-team-last-5-years - Bills Number 1

I didn’t think they allowed that?

Look at data, where? Get the list of draft picks and then look up if they ever made a PB? Or is this all summarized somewhere? I don't think his drafting is outstanding really but looking at Pro Bowls does not give a complete picture at all. First of all the Pro Bowl is a joke, the best guys dont get selected and guys who suck do especially when they go down the list for injury replacements. All Pro is way more meaningful but also more rare across the board. Second, where guys are picked matters. If you have a top ten pick every year you will have a better pro bowl hit than if you pick in the bottom quarter every year. Also, there are other things like how many starts a guy has, how many snaps, do they get a second contract, etc that needs to be taken into account to truly compare GM's to each other.

Asking because I have never seen it. Where is the pro bowl hit rate data? He might not be top 5 for sure. At the end of the day he has provided good rosters and a team that has led the league in offense and defense in his tenure they just don’t get it done in the playoffs.

Nope neither were but Spencer brown and Torrence, Oliver Benford and Cook were. I will side with the op to an extent here. Other than Allen there has not been a true game changer. Rather there are some nice pieces.

Crack is whack GB................

All things are possible I guess but fitting him in the cap moving forward would be challenging. Looking at it though, looks like you can get out after 27 or 28......Cleveland would take it on the chin financially to trade him.

There will be threads about how this screws the bills. Can’t wait for the scheduling analysis that shows it is so bad for Buffalo due to when or what games are befor or after. Joy incoming.

TBH I expect him to probably start making the roster but not getting a jersey on gameday for a bit. Obviously if he impresses enough that could change. I do expect he will become a decent option over time.

Shakir to Allen

The nfl would not do the Josh Gordon thing under the current guidelines and rules. Not defending the nfl but you are mixing things that used to happen but has been changed with other things happening today

When was the last time the NFL did something to a player for smoking marijuana?

This is the new shiny object and prices will be crazy for the year. Wait til heavy snow ice and wind arein the forecast. You will be able to go for cheap is you can brave it. And yeah I know about the 60% and wind confusion. But you still have to get in the building that is still outside for the game. Also. There are more people with disposable cash than you realize. Even in WNY. This is not 1997…