BigDingus

Just shows the draft really is a crapshoot, because I'm sure the hits jump up once you get into the 2nd & later rounds. While many of those late 1st round picks were failures, you have teams finding Nacua, Diggs & Hill much later.

So they rank us the 6th best team in the AFC. Hey, still good enough to make the playoffs.

Duff's

I'm not athletic enough to be a player, I'm not smart enough in the X's & O's to coach, so I guess I'm left with Front Office. If Doug Whaley can do it, surely I can too!

Keep in mind that Dorsey's first season we went 13-3 & were in control of the 1 seed up until the Bengals game being cancelled. Everyone expected the offense to only get better with a year of experience under his belt, adding Dalton Kincaid, and James Cook developing. Instead, the offense was the biggest problem most of the year, the team turned the ball over constantly, and we were chasing the Dolphins until the last game of the season. Now we'll be going into next season having lost our #1 & #2 WRs, a ton of leadership on both sides of the ball, and still don't know what we'll be getting from Joe Brady. Always remember - ALL teams are adding pieces, not just the Bills. I'm sure Dolphins fans are thinking "if we can find a way to win just ONE more game..." as that would've been enough for them to have finished with the 2 seed. Jets are going for a do-over, expecting Rodgers to actually be around this time. Burrow will be healthy again, the Chiefs won a SB with their worst offensive unit yet & will only get better, and the Texans are on everyone's radar now like the Bills were after 2020. It's not impossible that we get better, but it'll be tough to win more regular season games.

I think it's pretty clear why the NFL changed the rules. If local community owns the team, there's no way to leverage the team against the city for cushy tax breaks, stadium funding, or the threat of relocating. Better to have a billionaire owner or ownership group who can say "we'll move to San Antonio if you don't give us $2 billion for a new stadium!" Fans just want the team to stay put, so there's a huge limit placed on future growth. If Green Bay's population & surrounding areas never grow, the team is still staying put. The NFL can't pressure them into a new stadium, and fans are content having a team to root for.

It may have already been posted, but here's a great article from ESPN on why it's almost never a good idea to trade up, especially not from our position all the way into the top 10 - https://www.espn.com/nfl/draft2024/story/_/id/39964243/nfl-draft-seven-cliches-trading-why-flawed-process It actually discusses the Bills a couple times, once regarding trading up for Allen, and once for Watkins. But the point wasn't to criticize moves made to help these teams, only to show that trading up is almost never worth all that it takes to give up using the Johnson point chart (written in the 90's as a reflection of the market back then, not at all meant to be an official guideline forever). "In terms of total Approximate Value accumulated through the 2022 season, 85 of those deals were "won" by the trade-down team, 49 were "won" by the trade-up team and six were a tie." Considering how much the Chiefs had to give up just to move from 29th to 21st using that outdated chart, it would take a huge investment of multiple years worth draft capital for the Bills to make a huge splash like some fans want. Even if they snag a star player, chances are we'd be better off saving those picks & grabbing many more players that can contribute over those next few years.

So do I get to choose what 25% I own? I'll take 25% of the suites & club seats, the QB position, the DBs coach, the 17 yard line to the 42 yard line (south endzone), at least 2 concession booths, 25% of each pee trough, the entire parking lot, and I get full control of all round 3 & 4 draft picks for life. Oh, and only I can make Doug Marrone jokes.

Not a video headline I expected to see... but hey, he's always loved Josh Allen 😅 The rumor is more focused on Dallas, but for some reason the Bills came up as the next best option for him. 1) Revenge on Kraft 2) Having Josh Allen 3) Knowing how to beat Mahomes Nick Wright wants him to go to the Jets though. If McDermott gets fired, would you guys be open to this?

It would take 3 years worth of 1st & 2nd round picks, plus additional compensation. The Bills went 20 years without a franchise QB, so it would be absolute insanity to willingly give one up. But if you had 3 straight years of multiple 1st & 2nd round picks (along with everything else), you'd at least have a good chance of getting another. Only question would be "was it worth jumping through all those hoops when you already had a guy?" If it took multiple years to find the replacement, then probably not. Those picks would've likely been wasted.

I agree. This is also why I don't want us trading up to the top 10 & giving away a ton of picks. There are so many colleges and so many players, there's no way you can get a good look at all of them. A lot of it has to do with the situation they're drafted into, the coaching, opportunities, surrounding talent, etc. I didn't want the Bills to draft Allen, if only because I still had PTSD from the drought & had zero confidence they could develop a raw QB. Thankfully this was a much different organization, and the support, coaching & FO were significantly more capable than in the past. You have great WRs like Diggs, Hill, & Nacua all drafted late, or guys like Terrell Owens from colleges nobody pays attention to like Chattanooga. I hope the Bills don't get hung up on one guy & trade away the farm to grab him, but instead cast the widest net possible to scour every corner for potential quality starters

No matter who they draft, it'll be up to Joe Brady & Josh to elevate their game this season. Diggs was a huge leader on & off the field, so Josh will have to step up. The upside is he'll have a clean slate & nobody barking in his ear about targets. All the receivers, TEs & RBs will be looking to him for orders. And Brady will have to do better than Dorsey about scheming guys open & not getting figured out so early in the season. Some of his success could be attributed to his newness, though I don't think it was the biggest factor. He won't have that same benefit next year, so he'll need to make sure that no matter who we draft, they're incorporated into the offense quickly. Really hoping we find our new WR1 in the draft, but if not, gotta get creative (see Andy Reid).

So who tf is it?!

We should just make a thread going over all players we'd be willing to use specifically to trade up. On a scale of 1-10, with 1 being "zero desire to trade" & 10 being "cya later!" I'll start: Josh Allen - 1 James Cook - 5 Khalil Shakir - 4 Curtis Samuel - 1 (just signed) Mack Hollins - 1 (just signed) Dalton Kincaid - 1 Dion Dawkins - 3 Connor McGovern - 4 O'Cyrus Torrence - 2 Spencer Brown - 5 Greg Rousseau - 6 DaQuan Jones - 4 Ed Oliver - 1 Von Miller - 9 (in a fantasy scenario where it was possible) Matt Milano - 1 Terrel Bernard - 2 Dorian Williams - 6 Rasul Douglas - 2 Kaiir Elam - 10 Christian Benford - 6 (always injured) Taron Johnson - 1 Anyone else is either not relevant enough, nobody cares, is a recent signing, or wouldn't be worth a 7th round pick in a trade value anyway.

Yeah, lets just trade away ALL of our locker room leadership... I know we want to get younger, but Milano is the Josh Allen of the defense. We need him to anchor the unit & be the general out there.