78thealltimegreat Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 (edited) If Josh doesn’t play on Sunday and not really a good or bad topic but how much will you be evaluating the overall roster construction? Does Josh really mask the warts this team has like the constant talking about a running game or a consistent receiver outside Diggs. Or does the talent we have step up and be good enough to hold it down til 17 returns? Edited November 10, 2022 by 78thealltimegreat 3 5 10 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 Good topic. 2 3 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SageAgainstTheMachine Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 No meaningful evaluations can be made based on one game. 1 1 5 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKBillFan Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 (edited) 11 minutes ago, 78thealltimegreat said: If Josh doesn’t play on Sunday and not really a good or bad topic but how much will you be evaluating the overall roster construction? Does Josh really mask the warts this team has like the constant talking about a running game or a consistent receiver outside Diggs. Or does the talent we have step up and be good enough to hold it down til 17 returns? If purely Josh is missing, and we look a mess on offense, then it will not reflect brilliantly on building that side of the ball. The defense looks like it will be missing a few key personnel so will be difficult to judge. Edited November 10, 2022 by UKBillFan 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 None 2 2 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlfaBill Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 6 minutes ago, SageAgainstTheMachine said: No meaningful evaluations can be made based on one game. Nah if they lose fire everyone and burn it down! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 Beane has built a roster that is the envy of the league. Evaluate that. 6 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo03 Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 Brandon Beane has built a solid roster. Enough with this sh*t 2 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 I don’t know that a ton of judgment can be made on one game if they come out and struggle offensively. Would be notable if they come out and look competent to good.. -If a running game is established. -If skill players have defined roles. It’s not just deep shots and reluctant check downs. Not that it would be a criticism or Allen or Dorsey, but maybe there is “move the chains” talent and hyper-aggressiveness is a detriment at times. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpberr Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 It's an evaluation of the contingency plan for Allen if nothing else. The Bills are paying Case Keenum $3.5 million for the "break glass in case of emergency" spot performance. You get 1.1 million for holding the proverbial clipboard. (Barkley). If Keenum plays this weekend, I expect a rough first quarter from him but better performances in 2 through 4. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nedboy7 Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 What if Keenum outperforms Josh? 🤪 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 Yep, Josh masks all kinds of imperfection all the time. That magic eraser will be gone on Sunday (assuming he doesn't play which I don't think he will) and a few more warts will show relative to normal. Still have a strong roster makeup top to bottom though. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 I have been somewhat critical of Beane's offensive build. But judging him on performance with a backup QB is not fair. Judge him on the fact he is responsible for the OL that has CONSISTENTLY underpreformed in crunch moments that ended up last week getting Josh hurt. 2 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FilthyBeast Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 1 hour ago, 78thealltimegreat said: If Josh doesn’t play on Sunday and not really a good or bad topic but how much will you be evaluating the overall roster construction? Does Josh really mask the warts this team has like the constant talking about a running game or a consistent receiver outside Diggs. Or does the talent we have step up and be good enough to hold it down til 17 returns? It will be a direct indictment on Beane's failures if this team loses which I suspect will be the case without JA17. This offensive line is among the worse in the league and that will be magnified tenfold with a limited QB like Keenum sitting back there for the Vikings to tee off on especially with an even more diminished threat of a running game that they can stack the box against. The key is if the defense can get out of whatever funk they are in and carry the load, but even if they do not sure it will be enough. 3 1 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 1 hour ago, SageAgainstTheMachine said: No meaningful evaluations can be made based on one game. I agree with this, but it is also a situation with which we have minimal experience. There's no real answers to be had but it is a rare data point to add to the equation. I will say that if they walk on to that field without Allen but also missing Groot, Milano, Poyer, Tre White, Spencer Brown and Kaiir Elam, then it becomes meaningless in terms of evaluating the GM. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 It’s one game. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 3 minutes ago, Matt_In_NH said: It’s one game. Until it becomes 2, and then 3. I think Josh will be gone at least 2, and maybe 3 or 4. I wouldn't expect any more than that. If I had to bet, I'd say he misses 2 games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterStrategist Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 1 hour ago, 78thealltimegreat said: If Josh doesn’t play on Sunday and not really a good or bad topic but how much will you be evaluating the overall roster construction? Does Josh really mask the warts this team has like the constant talking about a running game or a consistent receiver outside Diggs. Or does the talent we have step up and be good enough to hold it down til 17 returns? Roster build isn't designed around a backup QB, it was built for Josh/offensive skillset that meshes into the coaches' philosophy. That said, you can evaluate the following fairly IMO: 1. Keenum: if Josh is out, Keenum is still an established veteran QB and should be able to move the ball with the offensive talent. I think if Keenum plays "Peterman" level, then go ahead and put some shade toward Beane for misjudging the backup QB spot. 2. Dorsey: directly correlated to above, I have faith Dorsey will put Keenum in situations to succeed with his playcalling. Dorsey was a very similar QB to Case, get the ball to his playmakers and let them do their job. I'd expect to see more quick passes, occasional 50/50 deep ball (fade patterns). Keenum is good at reading defenses, and just needs to avoid turnovers/keep us in 3rd and manageable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KHAN Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 1 hour ago, 78thealltimegreat said: How much on Sunday will be an evaluation of Brandon Beane? 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 1 hour ago, Einstein said: Good topic. And the horse you rode in on. 🤨 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 So are we debating if there’s enough talent on the roster? Cause my answer would be yes. Wouldn’t it be more on the coaches if they can still get production from that talent while missing a key player? I’m not sure exactly what we’re going for here. What if the O line suddenly run blocks and pass blocks well above average cause Keenum is a traditional passer who gets the ball out super fast? What if playaction actually gets defenses to bite since we might really hand the ball off? So many variables I don’t think one game is a fair judgement although I’m sure the GDT will be full of it though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaos Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 Not sure what we need to evaluate. This Bills roster with an average NFL QB, is an average NFL team. We already know that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
todd Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 No. Beane had built an awesome roster. Insane people are suggesting he hasn’t. Insane I tell you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hemma Posted November 11, 2022 Share Posted November 11, 2022 He is a witch doctor, but his powers to date don’t extend to physically healing 7 starters. 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted November 11, 2022 Share Posted November 11, 2022 1 hour ago, Einstein said: Good topic. You would think that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted November 11, 2022 Share Posted November 11, 2022 20 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: You would think that Is nothing other than rainbows, unicorns and sunshine, interesting to you? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giuseppe Tognarelli Posted November 11, 2022 Share Posted November 11, 2022 2 hours ago, 78thealltimegreat said: If Josh doesn’t play on Sunday and not really a good or bad topic but how much will you be evaluating the overall roster construction? Does Josh really mask the warts this team has like the constant talking about a running game or a consistent receiver outside Diggs. Or does the talent we have step up and be good enough to hold it down til 17 returns? This is a good thread, and the reactions to it are so typical of this place. How dare you suggest that something might not go well or that Beane might not have done a perfect job? Fans around here can't handle the possibility. Only blind positivity allowed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted November 11, 2022 Share Posted November 11, 2022 2 hours ago, Buffalo03 said: Brandon Beane has built a solid roster. Enough with this sh*t really. I love Bean, but to say it’s not an evaluation of him or the offensive scouts is nonsense. How is the OL and running game? The question here is how much did Bean rely on JA to support the offense while building up the D and often wasting picks (Basham) doing so? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted November 11, 2022 Share Posted November 11, 2022 I think Sunday has better a chance to ruin a lot of Dorsey goodwill. not to say he’s been terrible or even bad but I don’t think he’s been great but having a player like Josh Allen under center covers up a lot. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKBillFan Posted November 11, 2022 Share Posted November 11, 2022 1 minute ago, FireChans said: I think Sunday has better a chance to ruin a lot of Dorsey goodwill. not to say he’s been terrible or even bad but I don’t think he’s been great but having a player like Josh Allen under center covers up a lot. The support for Dorsey will obviously be in correlation to how the offense looks. We started well but, since the bye, have become more reliant on big plays and avoiding the dink and dunk. I'm not sure why but it's been to the detriment of the offense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted November 11, 2022 Share Posted November 11, 2022 25 minutes ago, Einstein said: Is nothing other than rainbows, unicorns and sunshine, interesting to you? Nothing you post interests me because they are lamp posts.....without any real thought as to whether you look like a mook for posting it 1 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McDeerInTheHeadlights Posted November 11, 2022 Share Posted November 11, 2022 (edited) To an extent, you already know everything you need to know to evaluate Beane. He could have produced better ROI, draft-wise, at the DE and RB positions, and he seems to half-ass his way at improving the OL, likely as a result of the above and a mandate from McD to prioritise the defensive side of the ball, hoping that Josh could make up for any offensive shortcomings. He is willing to slightly overpay to retain homegrown talent but sometimes you have no alternatives. He is a solid GM and that's a job in which you can't be perfect. Edited November 11, 2022 by McDeerInTheHeadlights Typo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SinceThe70s Posted November 11, 2022 Share Posted November 11, 2022 3 hours ago, 78thealltimegreat said: If Josh doesn’t play on Sunday and not really a good or bad topic but how much will you be evaluating the overall roster construction? Does Josh really mask the warts this team has like the constant talking about a running game or a consistent receiver outside Diggs. Or does the talent we have step up and be good enough to hold it down til 17 returns? How much on Sunday will be an evaluation of Brandon Beane? Far less than the the evaluation of Beane thus far this year given time lost to injury on the defensive side of the ball. Which so far I'd evaluate as pretty damn good. If Josh is out this Sunday or past I wouldn't expect the same level of success on the offensive side. But I wouldn't put that on 'roster construction' - last time I checked it's QB driven league and as the drought years should remind us that's not an easy position to staff let alone have a strong backup for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCofNC Posted November 11, 2022 Share Posted November 11, 2022 The whole “best roster in the NFL” BS will end quickly without Allen at QB. The reality is a piss poor OL, weak at best WR core beyond Diggs, under performing/under talented TE/RB group. All of this is easy to cover with Superman at QB, put an average QB back there and it will be exposed. Instead, people will inevitably blame Keenum for not being Josh. The D is crushed with injuries, I’ll give them a pass, but they are going to have to carry the team if Allen isn’t out there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan2313 Posted November 11, 2022 Share Posted November 11, 2022 I would fire Beane if they lose. He should have know Allen could potentially get hurt, and aquired a backup like Mahomes for these situations. Bum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loyal2dagame Posted November 11, 2022 Share Posted November 11, 2022 (edited) 4 hours ago, SageAgainstTheMachine said: No meaningful evaluations can be made based on one game. i go a step further: Meaningful evaluations can NOT be made without all meaningful players available Edited November 11, 2022 by loyal2dagame Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gtw3 Posted November 11, 2022 Share Posted November 11, 2022 Every game is an evaluation of your GM. Along with every draft pick, signing, release, extension and trade. Every move a GM makes is scrutinized, this game is no different. The thing that a lot of people struggle with is the sample size. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AuntieEm Posted November 11, 2022 Share Posted November 11, 2022 (edited) 4 hours ago, Einstein said: Good topic. And pretty spot on. The other guys have to step up and win the game without Josh. If they are the competitors they claim they step up get the job done. It will also be interesting to see how Dorsey gameplans the offense for Keenums skillet. And will the defense be able to hold the Vikings to a low score than what our offense can produce. If all we score is a fg then defense needs a shutout. Or it can just go and score some points and give the offense help if it is mis-firing again. Edited November 11, 2022 by AuntieEm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted November 11, 2022 Share Posted November 11, 2022 5 hours ago, Einstein said: Good topic. If this happens in your thread = FAIL 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AuntieEm Posted November 11, 2022 Share Posted November 11, 2022 2 hours ago, FireChans said: I think Sunday has better a chance to ruin a lot of Dorsey goodwill. not to say he’s been terrible or even bad but I don’t think he’s been great but having a player like Josh Allen under center covers up a lot. Or he could make a mark and gameplan with keenum well enough the defense isn't worn out and both sides complement the other and we have a great game and the team rides zthrough the rest of the season buoyed with the confidence they can get the job done even with Josh on the bench hurt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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