Christian McCaffrey rumors

[Pete]

 

[Pete]

 

[Rochesterfan]

47 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said:

Ummmm... Saquon Barkley

 

Yeah he has looked good for almost 5 games - we will see if it lasts.  
 

 

[BarleyNY]

9 hours ago, Dopey said:

Your second paragraph is very telling. It’s hard being a mlb when we only play 2 lbs most of the time. Aside from that, you should really watch how he’s used. It’s definitely not the same as anywhere else. Not even close. If memory serves me right, I believe the bears just switched from a 3-4 to a 4-3 defense this year. HTH can you even compare what they do on the field when they ran totally different schemes? We can run our 4-2-5 because of Edmunds. Try that with  smith and you’ll see right away he can’t do what Edmunds does. Not even close. He might be able to do what Milano does here, but Edmunds? Nah. 

While teams do run different schemes, Nickel is the base for every team in the league now and has been for awhile. The Bills are a bit unusual in that they play Nickel (4-2-5) almost exclusively. But that’s because of Tauron Johnson and his ability to play the run so well, not because of Edmunds. 

[machine gun kelly]

58 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said:

Ummmm... Saquon Barkley

But Solly, that’s really the anomaly, not the norm.  I’m so happy for Barkley and he is thriving in the Daboll/Schoen led Giants.

 

I’m quietly rooting for the Giants in the East as how can you not root for Schoen to be a winner.

[YoloinOhio]

 

[CorkScrewHill]

4 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

So am I reading this correctly .. we could cut him next year and owe nothing (assuming the 1 million injury clause) didn’t kick in?

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

5 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

 I hadn’t appreciated this part of his situation. Trading picks for that caliber player with that low of a cap pick starts to make sense… especially in this window 

[Tommy Shelby]

Is CMC that much better than Devin Singletary? I don't believe so, the gap in talent is so negligible that the draft capital and future salary is not worth the risk. I just don't see the upgrade without even considering CMC's constant injury issues. 

[Buffalo03]

24 minutes ago, Rochesterfan said:

 

Yeah he has looked good for almost 5 games - we will see if it lasts.  
 

 

And even the McCaffrey has been hurt the last 2 years, in the small amount of games he played in. He still looked like 2019 McCaffrey. He is still that same player now and having that same type of impact in that offense. People just want so hard for a McCaffrey trade to not happen for some reason

1 minute ago, Tommy Shelby said:

Is CMC that much better than Devin Singletary? I don't believe so, the gap in talent is so negligible that the draft capital and future salary is not worth the risk. I just don't see the upgrade without even considering CMC's constant injury issues. 

You have to be kidding me

[aristocrat]

Beane could always trade for him and then trade him away in the off season. Not interested in that cap hit going forward. 
 

curious to see what the giants do with saquon.  Jones isn’t the guy and they need picks to get up to the top along with losing some games. Problem is they’re in the playoff hunt and look like they can stay in it with that schedule. 

[HOUSE]

Just now, aristocrat said:

Beane could always trade for him and then trade him away in the off season. Not interested in that cap hit going forward. 
 

curious to see what the giants do with saquon.  Jones isn’t the guy and they need picks to get up to the top along with losing some games. Problem is they’re in the playoff hunt and look like they can stay in it with that schedule. 

The quickest way to lose your job is to trade away your star running back then start losing games. The giants fans truly believe this is a playoff team

[aristocrat]

6 minutes ago, HOUSE said:

The quickest way to lose your job is to trade away your star running back then start losing games. The giants fans truly believe this is a playoff team

Oh they’re in the hunt but it’s like our run where it’s in and lose first game. Maybe they could trade the rights to saquon though. 

[davefan66]

16 minutes ago, Tommy Shelby said:

Is CMC that much better than Devin Singletary? I don't believe so, the gap in talent is so negligible that the draft capital and future salary is not worth the risk. I just don't see the upgrade without even considering CMC's constant injury issues. 

CMC has more potential.  His injury history negates that.

 

I think if given the ball consistently, DS could be a very good back.  Showed flashes last weekend and then was pulled for Moss and then Cook.  If DS had the hole Cook did on his TD, he’d have scored also.  When given the ball again, he made a nice couple of runs.

 

I didn’t see any obviously mistakes for him being pulled, but it seems apparent this coaching staff is no settled on DS being RB1.

 

That being said, I have no interest in CMC because of his injury history and the disruption on the team.  No way we keep him past this year anyway with a cap hit like he has.  I’m sure he’d restructure, just don’t see him ever being cap friendly.

Edited October 16, 2022 by davefan66

[TBBills]

Cam Akers won't be playing for the Rams anymore... is he better than Singletary?

[SCBills]

15 minutes ago, Tommy Shelby said:

Is CMC that much better than Devin Singletary? 

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

1 hour ago, HOUSE said:

This means the Panthers are not interested in Taiwan Jones

FIND YOUR WALLET FOR ONCE IN YOUR LIFE YOU CHEAP BASTARD HOUSE

[aristocrat]

2 minutes ago, TBBills said:

Cam Akers won't be playing for the Rams anymore... is he better than Singletary?

No. And his pass blocking was awful vs us. Let’s give james cook the ball! He was a second rounder!

[Buffalo Boy]

22 minutes ago, davefan66 said:

That being said, I have no interest in CMC because of his injury history and the disruption on the team.

   What disruption?

   He is a quiet guy who leads by example. A quintessential “ Process “ guy.

   Those who haven’t watched the Panthers for the last five years see the injury history and think he’s made of glass.

    His overuse was a symptom of having no other playmakers. If you remember he made Kyle Allen look like a starting QB 😂

   For a half year on the ( ridiculously) cheap this is a no brainer for the Bills. 
   For a rebuilding team they need to cut ties with him while eating the dead cap and acquiring draft capital which they desperately need.

   

[ToGoGo]

I think we take the deal based on the following scenarios:

 

1. CMC passes a physical. 

2. If he has a big drop in performance or injury he's cut after this year. 

3. For a 3rd rounder which escalates to a 2nd rounder based on performance conditions. 

 

CMC is a big time player folks. This is a Moss going to the Pats type addition if it pans out. 

 

As long as we have an out of he doesn't. Singletary isn't a sacred player, nor are draft picks when players is this good. 

[FireChans]

47 minutes ago, Tommy Shelby said:

Is CMC that much better than Devin Singletary? I don't believe so, the gap in talent is so negligible that the draft capital and future salary is not worth the risk. I just don't see the upgrade without even considering CMC's constant injury issues. 

Lmao what

32 minutes ago, davefan66 said:

CMC has more potential.  His injury history negates that.

 

I think if given the ball consistently, DS could be a very good back.  Showed flashes last weekend and then was pulled for Moss and then Cook.  If DS had the hole Cook did on his TD, he’d have scored also.  When given the ball again, he made a nice couple of runs.

 

I didn’t see any obviously mistakes for him being pulled, but it seems apparent this coaching staff is no settled on DS being RB1.

 

That being said, I have no interest in CMC because of his injury history and the disruption on the team.  No way we keep him past this year anyway with a cap hit like he has.  I’m sure he’d restructure, just don’t see him ever being cap friendly.

Devin Singletary has shown flashes for 4 years bro. How long does it take for a running back to burst on the scene?

[Rock-A-Bye Beasley]

35 minutes ago, davefan66 said:

CMC has more potential.  His injury history negates that.

 

I think if given the ball consistently, DS could be a very good back.  Showed flashes last weekend and then was pulled for Moss and then Cook.  If DS had the hole Cook did on his TD, he’d have scored also.  When given the ball again, he made a nice couple of runs.

 

I didn’t see any obviously mistakes for him being pulled, but it seems apparent this coaching staff is no settled on DS being RB1.

 

That being said, I have no interest in CMC because of his injury history and the disruption on the team.  No way we keep him past this year anyway with a cap hit like he has.  I’m sure he’d restructure, just don’t see him ever being cap friendly.

I disagree on the cook TD.
 

Now CMC is a disruption on the team?! Beane said the complete opposite. Someone quoted him earlier in the thread saying he has Kuechly DNA. 

[BADOLBILZ]

9 hours ago, JoPoy88 said:

agree with everything here and you hinted at my biggest problem with this idea - if you go get CMC a rental doesn’t make sense with the price you’d have to pay to Carolina. So you’d be necessarily committing to him for a longer term. For the money he makes at a very, very non-premium position, you can’t give him 10-12 touches a game; his presence (if he’s healthy) and contract almost dictate that. 
 

I don’t see the fit and I don’t even know how good his is anymore. Yes he’s still only 26 but I’d like to see a real bounce back to prior form before entertaining committing to his deal long term and trading away assets for him. Assets that might be used to improve the interior of the offensive line, for instance.

 

Yeah people don't want to acknowledge that he's not the player he was 4 years ago.

 

Like I said,  the past few seasons he and Singletary are separated by only about 2 tenths of a yard per touch in production.

 

That's a pittance for a high powered passing offense.

 

To give up a day 2 or early day 3 pick that could be a very good starter for 3-4 years, given the Bills cap woes and prior investment in James Cook..........it doesn't make a lot of sense.  

 

Different story if they were flipping the Cody Ford pick for him or something but Carolina would be stupid to eat all that dead cap for such a small return.  

[Steel City Mafia]

 

[billsfan714]

Keep dreaming Panthers on getting multiple firsts for CMC.

[Doc]

2 minutes ago, Steel City Mafia said:

 

…to the team that takes him and his contract off their hands?

[Heavy Kevi]

3 minutes ago, Steel City Mafia said:

 

 

Whoa.

 

I want cmc but not for anything close to "multiple" first rounders

[Alphadawg7]

5 minutes ago, Steel City Mafia said:

 

They won’t get that from anyone. 

[BeastMaster]

4 minutes ago, Steel City Mafia said:

 

CAR is high if they think they would even get a first rounder

 

Not legitimately looking to trade if that is a serious report

[BADOLBILZ]

9 hours ago, 2020 Our Year For Sure said:

Allen has been checking down to the backs a lot this year, when he does that it's good to have someone who 1) catches the ball easily and naturally, 2) turns and accelerates up the field quickly and 3) makes tacklers miss. Cook is the only one who may be that but he's not that now, they clearly aren't comfortable with him playing a lot of snaps. If it's a bad draft pick I wouldn't let that stop me from winning the championship, that's the goal, not proving your draft acumen.

 

McCaffrey does upgrade this team. If you can't run the ball you damn sure better be efficient in the underneath passing game and get YAC, and yes that is going to inevitably include the running backs. Throwing as much as we have to Devin Singletary and Zach Moss this year is just not efficient. 

 

The healthy and more durable Singletary has clearly improved in the passing game and is having a pretty good walk year.   He's catching the ball much better and has been more productive than McCaffrey this season in the passing game by almost a full yard per catch.   But that is still minutia in the big picture of the offense.    They are very similar yards per touch players in the last few seasons.    

 

The big concern on offense should be losing Diggs or Davis and the gigantic drop-off in real production from them to Jake Kumerow would cause.   That would be crippling........we saw the impact in the two very unproductive scoring games where Davis was hobbled.    The fantasy-notable dropoff from a Christian McCaffrey to Zach Moss isn't enough to change real games.   This is why the running game doesn't move the needle much and upgrades aren't worth significant draft capital.  

[davefan66]

1 hour ago, Buffalo Boy said:

   What disruption?

   He is a quiet guy who leads by example. A quintessential “ Process “ guy.

   Those who haven’t watched the Panthers for the last five years see the injury history and think he’s made of glass.

    His overuse was a symptom of having no other playmakers. If you remember he made Kyle Allen look like a starting QB 😂

   For a half year on the ( ridiculously) cheap this is a no brainer for the Bills. 
   For a rebuilding team they need to cut ties with him while eating the dead cap and acquiring draft capital which they desperately need.

   

Disruption not him personally.  Disruption to reduced play for DS and Cook.  Won’t keep that many RB’s and Moss probably is the odd man out.  May go another way, but guys who have been playing together for some time, won’t be.

 

May be a disruption in the locker room, may not be.

1 hour ago, FireChans said:

Lmao what

Devin Singletary has shown flashes for 4 years bro. How long does it take for a running back to burst on the scene?

I get it. So that answers the main question, why doesn’t DS get the bulk of the work.  They must not believe in him.

 

That being said, don’t believe he has had a great line in front of him.  The play calling is pass heavy - set up the run with the pass.  I don’t think he’s a bad RB, hadn’t gotten the greatest of chances.

 

 

 

[strive_for_five_guy]

10 minutes ago, Steel City Mafia said:

 

If it’s our next two first rounders for their next two second rounders, maybe???  Essentially we’d be trading back a little in both drafts for CMAC’s rental services…

[davefan66]

1 hour ago, Rock-A-Bye Beasley said:

I disagree on the cook TD.
 

Now CMC is a disruption on the team?! Beane said the complete opposite. Someone quoted him earlier in the thread saying he has Kuechly DNA. 

I wasn’t saying CMC would be a disruption.  The fall out from adding him could be.  Should have been more clear in my post.

Edited October 16, 2022 by davefan66

[Andy1]

14 minutes ago, Steel City Mafia said:

 

And the phones just went silent at Carolina.

[BADOLBILZ]

2 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

 

 

McCaffrey stands to lose A LOT of leverage in contract re-negotiations if he gets traded to a contender with established weapons and subsequently doesn't get a ton of touches and produce at a high level.  

 

Unless he's obsessed with playing for a SB contender for one season he probably should fake a minor injury of some sort over the next couple weeks.

 

He should be able to milk another $10M out of Carolina next season because they won't want to eat that dead cap hit and then have a de factor walk year in 2023.

[TheyCallMeAndy]

Just now, Andy1 said:

And the phones just went silent at Carolina.

It makes since, he’s a good RB who can still be elite, young, affordable contract. They won’t move him unless it largely benefits themselves.

[BADOLBILZ]

9 hours ago, HappyDays said:

 

 

We could actually do whatever we want with him... We don't have to force our offense to revolve around him or give him a certain number of touches per game. I wouldn't expect our entire offensive philosophy to change. He just gives us another element to use in our already elite offense. One more thing for defenses to account for.

 

At his peak McCaffrey is a game changer. It's a no brainer to add another game changer to our offense for a reasonable price. I would still add OBJ in December too. Imagine the team we've seen so far this year but with Tre White, Christian McCaffrey, and OBJ added in... It's not often that you have a realistic chance to make Madden-esque improvements to your team like that. Leave no room for doubt that the Lombardi is ours for the taking.

 

 

 

The problem with your argument is that it presumes things that are not so.  McCaffrey is not at his peak.........that was 4 seasons ago.   Statistically, when healthy,  he's a modest upgrade from the more reliably available and motivated Singletary.   CMC has not been a game changer for some time.

 

I also disagree that they wouldn't feel compelled to give him touches.   He's a big name.   They aren't going to sign OBJ and just keep him on the bench until someone gets hurt either.   You add big name superstars who still think they can play and are playing for new contracts.........as they both will be.........you have to play them.

 

 

Edited October 16, 2022 by BADOLBILZ

[Buffalo03]

2 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

The problem with your argument is that it presumes things that are not so.  McCaffrey is not at his peak.........that was 4 seasons ago.   Statistically, when healthy,  he's a modest upgrade from the more reliably available and motivated Singletary.   CMC has not been a game changer for some time.

 

I also disagree that they wouldn't feel compelled to give him touches.   He's a big name.   They aren't going to sign OBJ and just keep him on the bench until someone gets hurt either.   You add big name superstars who still think they can play and are playing for new contracts.........as they both will be.........you have to play them.

 

 

 

Cocaine is a hell of a drug

[FireChans]

18 minutes ago, davefan66 said:

Disruption not him personally.  Disruption to reduced play for DS and Cook.  Won’t keep that many RB’s and Moss probably is the odd man out.  May go another way, but guys who have been playing together for some time, won’t be.

 

May be a disruption in the locker room, may not be.

I get it. So that answers the main question, why doesn’t DS get the bulk of the work.  They must not believe in him.

 

That being said, don’t believe he has had a great line in front of him.  The play calling is pass heavy - set up the run with the pass.  I don’t think he’s a bad RB, hadn’t gotten the greatest of chances.

 

 

 

They DEFINITELY do not believe in him. They drafted him, but they brought in slobs like Yeldon and Frank Gore. They drafted Moss and then Cook both high. 
 

He will not be retained this year. 
 

He’s a JAG

[LyndonvilleBill]

30 minutes ago, Steel City Mafia said:

 

Well, this should end this thread.😉