Scott7975 Posted October 16, 2022 Share Posted October 16, 2022 (edited) 53 minutes ago, HappyDays said: This is where you lose me. I think this is honestly an insane thing to say. You're basically saying McCaffrey isn't a better RB than Singletary. The swap of pick 31 for pick 33 is more than cancelled out by Carolina's 4th rounder. So this trade is badically Moss for McCaffrey. I would support that! Not sure Carolina would. No Im not saying that at all. What you neglect is how important the oline is to ANYONES running game. Our oline is the worst run blocking oline in the league and Singletary has better YPA than McCaffrey does. Trade of this would have to be a huge difference. Im saying a huge difference isnt going to happen. You think by trading for him he is going to get like 10+ yard runs everytime he touches the ball or something? Its not going to happen. This is going to be a 100 page thread for a trade thats not likely to happen. Edited October 16, 2022 by Scott7975 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billz4ever Posted October 16, 2022 Share Posted October 16, 2022 14 hours ago, HappyDays said: We could actually do whatever we want with him... We don't have to force our offense to revolve around him or give him a certain number of touches per game. I wouldn't expect our entire offensive philosophy to change. He just gives us another element to use in our already elite offense. One more thing for defenses to account for. At his peak McCaffrey is a game changer. It's a no brainer to add another game changer to our offense for a reasonable price. I would still add OBJ in December too. Imagine the team we've seen so far this year but with Tre White, Christian McCaffrey, and OBJ added in... It's not often that you have a realistic chance to make Madden-esque improvements to your team like that. Leave no room for doubt that the Lombardi is ours for the taking. LMAO, now we're getting OBJ and CMC? Cap? What cap? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted October 16, 2022 Share Posted October 16, 2022 1 minute ago, Billz4ever said: LMAO, now we're getting OBJ and CMC? Cap? What cap? Would probably cost us a total of $1.5 million this year to have both of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airseven Posted October 16, 2022 Share Posted October 16, 2022 Bills fans are the only people on the planet who think another NFL team would want, and actually trade something for, Zack Moss. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billz4ever Posted October 16, 2022 Share Posted October 16, 2022 5 minutes ago, HappyDays said: Would probably cost us a total of $1.5 million this year to have both of them. And how on earth do you think OBJ is going to sign for that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dopey Posted October 16, 2022 Share Posted October 16, 2022 6 hours ago, BarleyNY said: While teams do run different schemes, Nickel is the base for every team in the league now and has been for awhile. The Bills are a bit unusual in that they play Nickel (4-2-5) almost exclusively. But that’s because of Tauron Johnson and his ability to play the run so well, not because of Edmunds. Johnson is good, but my point was comparing how we use Edmunds vs how smith is used. I don’t think smith would do the job Edmunds does here as effectively. I think it would be a mistake to replace Edmunds with smith and expect the same play. We would miss our defensive qb. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted October 16, 2022 Share Posted October 16, 2022 1 minute ago, Billz4ever said: And how on earth do you think OBJ is going to sign for that? Maybe I'm underrating what his cost will be but he'll only get paid for a quarter of the season. Coming off his 2nd ACL tear late in the season and chasing production plus a ring so that he can leverage himself for a big contract in the offseason. He'll be affordable, guaranteed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billz4ever Posted October 16, 2022 Share Posted October 16, 2022 1 hour ago, Boyst62 said: I'd consider: 1st round + Zach Moss FOR CMC + Carolina 2nd round + 2024 Carolina 4th round Nobody wants Moss. Most of us think he sucks. Why would we think another team would want him then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted October 16, 2022 Share Posted October 16, 2022 Carolina must be smoking crack to think anyone is giving up multiple firsts for an oft injured RB 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billz4ever Posted October 16, 2022 Share Posted October 16, 2022 2 hours ago, Process said: Bahahahahahah I'll trade our next two firsts for McCaffrey and their next two firsts. Deal? And sadly, there are people here that would do it too. 13 hours ago, Buffalo03 said: What I'm saying is get him on the team this year for $600,000 and then work out what you need to work out for another few years. Maybe some kind of reworked deal of some kind. But my point wad just get him on the team now, worry about the rest later Dude, if you are trying to say Nick Chubb would be no better than Devin Singletary in our offense you are insane Yeah, instead of no gain, he'd get a yard, maybe 2. If you're trying to say running backs have a high chance at success without at least competent run blocking, you're insane. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billz4ever Posted October 16, 2022 Share Posted October 16, 2022 15 hours ago, Doc Brown said: My point is we pass to our running backs a lot. Fifth most targets in the league (44 targets) and tenth in passing target percentage (22.3%). The best argument I can think of for bringing in CMC if we're throwing that much to our RB's then we mine as well have the best passing catching running back in the league at are disposal. Even if he won't help our running production whatsoever because people think it's purely an o-line issue then there's still some value in trading for him because of his pass catching ability. BTW, we barely ever throw to our tight ends as we rank 31st percentage wise (13.2%, 26 targets overall). And we drafted James Cook for that exact reason. How we are now wanting to spend high draft picks to bring in a guy that's injury prone and past him prime IMO to catch passes? 3 hours ago, Big Blitz said: So Carolina knows it's just the Bills and Chiefs interested - so picks 29-31. They want a higher pick or more of them. Probably want our 1st, and a 1st in 2024. They would have to give us their 2024 2nd RD for me to even consider that. To Carolina: 2023 and 2024 1st RD picks To Bills: CMC 2024 2nd RD pick (pick 33-38?) As much as Beane likes him, I don't think he's that stupid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDubya76 Posted October 16, 2022 Share Posted October 16, 2022 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Billz4ever said: And sadly, there are people here that would do it too. You might want to re-read that post. trade our first two for their first two and CMC. I’d do that all day long. Edited October 16, 2022 by JDubya76 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billz4ever Posted October 16, 2022 Share Posted October 16, 2022 (edited) 36 minutes ago, HappyDays said: Maybe I'm underrating what his cost will be but he'll only get paid for a quarter of the season. Coming off his 2nd ACL tear late in the season and chasing production plus a ring so that he can leverage himself for a big contract in the offseason. He'll be affordable, guaranteed. I'm happy where our receiver core is with Diggs, Gabe, Shakir, and McK. 4 minutes ago, JDubya76 said: You might want to re-read that post. trade our first two for their first two and CMC. I’d do that all day long. The way I read it is they would want our first round this coming year and next year. No way. Edited October 16, 2022 by Billz4ever Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted October 16, 2022 Share Posted October 16, 2022 Ill say it again... we do not need to waste assets on CMC. We need an oline that can block. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeverOutNick Posted October 16, 2022 Share Posted October 16, 2022 Singletary is a baller I’m not giving much up for CMC. Max id do is James Cook and a second rounder next year 1 1 1 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted October 16, 2022 Share Posted October 16, 2022 Just now, NeverOutNick said: Singletary is a baller I’m not giving much up for CMC. Max id do is James Cook and a second rounder next year You're not giving up on a guy you spent a 2nd Round pick on and have under a cost controlled rookie contract after 6 games. That's insanity. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted October 16, 2022 Share Posted October 16, 2022 1 minute ago, NeverOutNick said: Singletary is a baller I’m not giving much up for CMC. Max id do is James Cook and a second rounder next year Singletary is INCAPABLE of beating defenders to the edge. He should have scored before the McKenzie spasm on 4th down. TJ Yeldon would have scored there. Wide open hole. 2 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Draconator Posted October 16, 2022 Share Posted October 16, 2022 Just now, FireChans said: Singletary is INCAPABLE of beating defenders to the edge. He should have scored before the McKenzie spasm on 4th down. TJ Yeldon would have scored there. Wide open hole. You're incapable of any coherent thought. 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted October 16, 2022 Share Posted October 16, 2022 Just now, Draconator said: You're incapable of any coherent thought. Bills won so Singletary is good now is a bad take. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikemac2001 Posted October 16, 2022 Share Posted October 16, 2022 Just now, FireChans said: Singletary is INCAPABLE of beating defenders to the edge. He should have scored before the McKenzie spasm on 4th down. TJ Yeldon would have scored there. Wide open hole. Ya I like him but he is a solid 1b he problem he doesn’t scare defenses but I wouldn’t trade him in a CMC deal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted October 16, 2022 Share Posted October 16, 2022 Just now, FireChans said: Singletary is INCAPABLE of beating defenders to the edge. He should have scored before the McKenzie spasm on 4th down. TJ Yeldon would have scored there. Wide open hole. He made some nice runs today. Like usual. Unfortunately he also absolutely bombed on some plays that were there for the taking. That meant a lot at key moments. And like usual, he failed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted October 16, 2022 Share Posted October 16, 2022 Just now, mikemac2001 said: Ya I like him but he is a solid 1b he problem he doesn’t scare defenses but I wouldn’t trade him in a CMC deal Why not Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Draconator Posted October 16, 2022 Share Posted October 16, 2022 Just now, FireChans said: Bills won so Singletary is good now is a bad take. Singletary had nearly 100 yards rushing. He is a good back. Your posts are trash. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikemac2001 Posted October 16, 2022 Share Posted October 16, 2022 3 minutes ago, FireChans said: Why not He doesn’t scare them as a big threat. He has made big runs but he won’t kill them if they mess up. They will let him get 4-15. I like him it’s not hate that’s why I wouldn’t trade him he is solid for our team Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted October 16, 2022 Share Posted October 16, 2022 8 minutes ago, FireChans said: Singletary is INCAPABLE of beating defenders to the edge. He should have scored before the McKenzie spasm on 4th down. TJ Yeldon would have scored there. Wide open hole. 17 carries 85 yards 5 ypa says youre an idiot. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 Why response to firechans? Ignore him For vets. What happened to the original firechan? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigDingus Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 This game highlighted once again that CMC would not fix the glaring short yardage problem. Run blocking was improved this week, but CMC doesn't help improve that area. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPoy88 Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 Just now, BigDingus said: This game highlighted once again that CMC would not fix the glaring short yardage problem. Run blocking was improved this week, but CMC doesn't help improve that area. THANK YOU Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 Just now, Draconator said: Singletary had nearly 100 yards rushing. He is a good back. Your posts are trash. He left a ton of plays on the field. Including scoring plays that we watch being made ALL OVER the NFL every week. He’s decent. Nice kid. But his inability to burst is a PROBLEM 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
What a Tuel Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 12 minutes ago, FireChans said: Bills won so Singletary is good now is a bad take. Singletary had like 5 yards a carry. Arguing he isnt good at the moment is a bad take. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 Singletary is decent but there are opportunities on the field for so much more. There's a reason Cook is the only RB to score a rushing TD this year - speed matters in the red zone. The Bills proved tonight they are capable of beating the Chiefs even when Mahomes is playing well. BUT they didn't prove that a Super Bowl appearance is all but guaranteed. McCaffrey puts us over the top. Get it done. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 (edited) Get him CMC/Singletary split Can't go forward with just Cook as the backup anyway. I think they're going to make it happen Edited October 17, 2022 by Big Blitz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 7 minutes ago, BigDingus said: This game highlighted once again that CMC would not fix the glaring short yardage problem. There was a short yardage run that Singletary flubbed, made a pointless extra move instead of hitting the hole. McCaffrey doesn't make that mistake. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 Tell the Panthers we will now offer half of whatever we offered 24hrs ago. Take it or leave it. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCockSportif Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 The Bills can run now, apparently. Good. CMC is maybe next level, and he's a great player, but maybe it's not required at this juncture? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 22 minutes ago, FireChans said: Bills won so Singletary is good now is a bad take. Dude...the fact you are in here railing on Singletary who had a great game today just announces to the whole board you have nothing to say and only care about pushing a bias agenda regardless of the facts of what just happened on the field. Josh Allen GUSHED about Devin in the post game presser too and how important he is out there on the field. But hey, keep going with a misguided rant towards a guy who played great today just to serve your desire to be right about him. 3 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 Zack Moss is going to get traded over the bye. 49ers make a ton of sense. I think the Bills are going to add a RB. I just don’t know to what extreme. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 14 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: Dude...the fact you are in here railing on Singletary who had a great game today just announces to the whole board you have nothing to say and only care about pushing a bias agenda regardless of the facts of what just happened on the field. Josh Allen GUSHED about Devin in the post game presser too and how important he is out there on the field. But hey, keep going with a misguided rant towards a guy who played great today just to serve your desire to be right about him. Just wait til you see the hole on 1st and goal lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 Just now, FireChans said: Just wait til you see the hole on 1st and goal lol I find it hilarious when people who have an agenda against one player will go find one play to hang their hat on while ignoring all the other great plays they made. Every player on every team in every game for all of NFL history has plays where they didn't get the job done on some specific play. It's about what they did as a whole. And he had a great game. Period. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davefan66 Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 Give Singletary the ball and he makes plays. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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