John from Riverside Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 Is Christian Benford better than Wallace? I know it’s early I’m re-watching Monday nights game and I got a Telya I’m really impressed with Christian Benford he looked really good out there and made some key tackles on the Titans running back He also didn’t get beat in coverage much Is he already better than Levi Wallace was Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 (edited) He is physically more talented than Levi, no question. So is Dane. So, obviously, is Kaiir. But equally that is why you have to give Levi just a ton of credit. What he was able to do here the last 3 and a half years as a starting cornerback in terms of contributing to our defense and doing his 1/11th despite that was really comendable. He made so few mental mistakes and played exactly the role the team wanted. Can Benford already make plays Levi couldn't make? Yes. But let's see how he holds up on the mental side of the game over the next few weeks before we declare him a definite upgrade. Edited September 21, 2022 by GunnerBill 23 6 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 (edited) Christian has a lot of promise as a rookie he is very consistent in his coverage but when he loses he loses bad,,, QBs haven’t been able to attack that yet levi rarely got beat deep deep … Christian can definitely improve but he needs to clean up consistency issues hes a rook but the upside is there and he can play multiple technique’s… Sean preaches not giving up the big play… which should eventually click … when he is able to mix press zone/man abilities , with his off technique he will be a better player Than Levi its just gonna take time and the ability to develop the skill he has … mastering every technique is near impossible… ask Ramsey who cannot play off zone coverage with outside leverage to save his life but Sean is a DB whisperer Edited September 21, 2022 by Buffalo716 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longtimebillsfan Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 18 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: Is Christian Benford better than Wallace? I know it’s early I’m re-watching Monday nights game and I got a Telya I’m really impressed with Christian Benford he looked really good out there and made some key tackles on the Titans running back He also didn’t get beat in coverage much Is he already better than Levi Wallace was Yes. I was never a Wallace fan. He had a few good games but he was always picked apart way to often by average qbs. 1 4 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceVilanch Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 Benford is very promising, but he's also benefiting from a significantly better pass rush. 5 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GETTOTHE50 Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 dude levi wallace sucks. theres a reason why beane didnt retain him. theres a reason steelers signed him for cheap. i appreciate his hardwork here and putting his body on the line, but he got beat too many times to be resigned. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davefan66 Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 Watch the pats and chiefs playoff games from last year. Absolutely, Benford is better than Wallace. We were drafting a 1st round CB most likely even if he was still on the team. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrimeTime101 Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 1 hour ago, John from Riverside said: Is Christian Benford better than Wallace? I know it’s early I’m re-watching Monday nights game and I got a Telya I’m really impressed with Christian Benford he looked really good out there and made some key tackles on the Titans running back He also didn’t get beat in coverage much Is he already better than Levi Wallace was I will argue that both our rookies are better then Wallace with a way higher ceiling. Seriously Elam impressed the heck out of me that last game. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Darragh Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 1 hour ago, John from Riverside said: I got a Telya I’m really impressed with Christian Benford I've got one of those too. 1 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah John Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 5 minutes ago, Dan Darragh said: I've got one of those too. It's like a Tesla but it runs on your wife's talking, so it's really fast. 12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Darragh Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 Just now, Utah John said: It's like a Tesla but it runs on your wife's talking, so it's really fast. and it never runs out of fuel 3 5 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Dan Darragh said: I've got one of those too. 14 minutes ago, Utah John said: It's like a Tesla but it runs on your wife's talking, so it's really fast. Might also be a covert attempt at a 'where's Christian Wade?!' thread. 🤔 Edited September 21, 2022 by Ridgewaycynic2013 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rochesterfan Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 3 hours ago, John from Riverside said: Is Christian Benford better than Wallace? I know it’s early I’m re-watching Monday nights game and I got a Telya I’m really impressed with Christian Benford he looked really good out there and made some key tackles on the Titans running back He also didn’t get beat in coverage much Is he already better than Levi Wallace was My take is if the Bills had resigned Wallace as many wanted - most likely Wallace and Jackson would have been starting. Benford (and Elam for that manner) are both way more gifted physically than Wallace and both can make plays Wallace simply couldn’t, but they also have a benefit of a pass rush in week 1 that was devastating and a team in week 2 that was limited at WR. I would most definitely take Benford and Elam (and Jackson) over Wallace - especially long term, but there will be games where they get tricked and Wallace would have done his job. To me Wallace is like Edmunds - he manages to do his job correctly almost 100% of the time, but that means many times he is not in the best place to make a huge play - he just make the steady correct play and move on to the next down. I think they wanted more at CB and therefore you have Elam and Benford locked and loaded - long term improvements in place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wjag Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 Ask this question again at 4p on Sunday. This Miami game will be a good litmus test. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 3 hours ago, Buffalo716 said: Christian has a lot of promise as a rookie he is very consistent in his coverage but when he loses he loses bad,,, QBs haven’t been able to attack that yet levi rarely got beat deep deep … Christian can definitely improve but he needs to clean up consistency issues hes a rook but the upside is there and he can play multiple technique’s… Sean preaches not giving up the big play… which should eventually click … when he is able to mix press zone/man abilities , with his off technique he will be a better player Than Levi its just gonna take time and the ability to develop the skill he has … mastering every technique is near impossible… ask Ramsey who cannot play off zone coverage with outside leverage to save his life but Sean is a DB whisperer banford isn't fast, but he's faster than levi was. he is HUGE and athletic tho. he's legit like a stripped down milano/coverage linebacker body type out there, he'd be a nicely big safety essentially. a couple times he came up and tackled henry or another ball carrier and i saw his number and thought "did one of our lbs get hurt, are we playing w 3 without the announcers telling us?" and then sure enough, it's him. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finn Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 3 hours ago, GunnerBill said: But equally that is why you have to give Levi just a ton of credit. What he was able to do here the last 3 and a half years as a starting cornerback in terms of contributing to our defense and doing his 1/11th despite that was really comendable. He made so few mental mistakes and played exactly the role the team wanted. I'm going from memory, so take this accordingly, but as I recall he made two critical mistakes: allowing the winning TD in overtime against the Bucs by busting the coverage, and blowing covering in the famous 13-seconds debacle. Maybe his mistakes were few, but they were fatal. It's probably best he moved on. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 3 hours ago, GETTOTHE50 said: dude levi wallace sucks. theres a reason why beane didnt retain him. theres a reason steelers signed him for cheap. i appreciate his hardwork here and putting his body on the line, but he got beat too many times to be resigned. except for all the games where he didn’t get beat 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donuts and Doritos Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 Too early to tell. Let's see how the season goes. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 Levi played in some really huge games including playoffs.. And he played at a high level despite the flack he got on here. He was always limited physically compared to others and his maximum potential. What he achieved here was really impressive. Benford has looked great but we’re talking two games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 Yes. And Kaiir Elam is already not far behind. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loveorhatembillsfan4life Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 (edited) So Far two games in, From just watching the Live Games.. I can’t really recall being upset at Benford or Elam for anything…So that has to be a good thing. They have a good test upcoming this week. Edited September 21, 2022 by loveorhatembillsfan4life Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airseven Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 Not sure. But he’s clearly better than Elam. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, finn said: I'm going from memory, so take this accordingly, but as I recall he made two critical mistakes: allowing the winning TD in overtime against the Bucs by busting the coverage, and blowing covering in the famous 13-seconds debacle. Maybe his mistakes were few, but they were fatal. It's probably best he moved on. The Tampa play wasn't on Levi for me. It was on Leslie Frazier. He called a poorly timed blitz and the Bills got burned. The coverage against KC, yes, Levi has taken accountability for that play (although I think he took more blame than maybe he was due). I am absolutely not against Levi moving on. I think we have needed to upgrade that spot, but the question was has Christian Benford already proven after 2 games that he is better than Levi Wallace who was the starting corner for 3 and a half years on a defense that was top 5 three of those four seasons. I think that remains to be proven. Benford has proven he is athletically superior and that shed and tackle on Henry is a play I'm not sure Levi makes.... but Levi's contribution here should not be diminished. I am confident Benford and Elam are big upgrades. But I'm not ready to declare that after 2 games. Edited September 21, 2022 by GunnerBill 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 if he can pay attention to what Kelce is shouting pre-snap to his teammates about his coverage and adjusts, then he is better than Levi Wallace. 1 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 I like Benford (and Elam). But it is waaaay too soon to make that judgement. I liked Wallace. But he was a guy I always wanted upgraded. But league wide, more often than not upgrading from a guy like Wallace as CB2 is easier said than done. That said, I think Dane Jackson is an upgrade and is going to be a player in this league. I am really high on Jackson. The noise from drafting a guy in the first and the dark horse Benford is really muffling how important Jackson's play has been. He is head and shoulders better than both rookies currently, and only has 22 NFL games (10 starts). 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 Too early to say that with any certainly, but he has definitely played very well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rigotz Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 5 hours ago, John from Riverside said: Is Christian Benford better than Wallace? I know it’s early I’m re-watching Monday nights game and I got a Telya I’m really impressed with Christian Benford he looked really good out there and made some key tackles on the Titans running back He also didn’t get beat in coverage much Is he already better than Levi Wallace was “Got a tel ya” is all time Buffalo dialect I don’t think you did that on purpose, but I like it! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JakeFrommStateFarm Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 Not sure. How is Benford in man to man press coverage? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pocoboy Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 2 hours ago, Rochesterfan said: I would most definitely take Benford and Elam (and Jackson) over Wallace - especially long term, but there will be games where they get tricked and Wallace would have done his job. The key to all of this is the offense. As long as they don't get bogged down in too many games, 1 or 2 mistakes by a rookie can be overcome. But if these come in a game similar to LAR where turnovers (or penalties) kill off too many drives, that's when it will get hairy. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 We'll have a better feel for how good our rookie CB's are after this week. Tyreek Hill, Jaylen Waddle, and Gesicki are the best group they will have faced to date, as well as possibly the toughest matchup all year. They will truly have to be disciplined in their assignments this week. One wrong step, one blown coverage, and it will likely be a TD. Hopefully we are knocking Tua around from start to finish as to make their lives a little easier at least. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TFBillsfan Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 Way to early to make this assessment IMO. Both Benford and Elam are going to be tested in the weeks ahead. I do like what I see from both of them and smile knowing our secondary is only going to get better when Tre returns. Fantastic problem to have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruffalo Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 It often felt like the Bills were playing in a way to not expose Wallace. He's clearly a limited athlete but a smart player, but as a limited athlete he had to always sell out hard on deep routes and left underneath often open. He also couldn't keep up on slants. Benford is probably a better fit for this defense just because of his athleticism. McD can coach up DBs, you can't teach the intangibles. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 5 hours ago, BruceVilanch said: he's also benefiting from a significantly better pass rush. At this point the conversation starts and ends here. The pass rush has been phenomenal the first two weeks. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 In his two game sample? Yes, yes he is, Go Bills!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 6 hours ago, John from Riverside said: Is Christian Benford better than Wallace? I know it’s early I’m re-watching Monday nights game and I got a Telya I’m really impressed with Christian Benford he looked really good out there and made some key tackles on the Titans running back He also didn’t get beat in coverage much Is he already better than Levi Wallace was ABSOLUTELY Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
34-78-83 Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 2 hours ago, Simon said: Yes. And Kaiir Elam is already not far behind. I was gonna say... If I am judging their complete games, Elam was better in coverage Monday night than Benford was and he tackled well too. Not sure why the convo needs to be "Is Benford better than Wallace". Elam is the guy thats going to progress more with his talent base. Its a wonderful bonus that Benford is a ready made zone player and a great find for us! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 1 hour ago, Mr. WEO said: if he can pay attention to what Kelce is shouting pre-snap to his teammates about his coverage and adjusts, then he is better than Levi Wallace. im shocked no one else on the defensive line heard him. You can just touch the other team and they have to blow the whistle for encroachment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pags24 Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 I think he is. What's not to like about his game? Good instincts, can play physical and just looks the part out there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaggersEOD Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 5 hours ago, Dan Darragh said: and it never runs out of fuel Talk about a renewable resource! Interstellar travel could easily be attained if wife talk could be harvested and transformed into energy. 😨 crap she just saw me write this 😅 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 26 minutes ago, Bleeding Bills Blue said: im shocked no one else on the defensive line heard him. You can just touch the other team and they have to blow the whistle for encroachment. They were busy listening in TO as Frazier sent out the same coverage twice.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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