Giants interview Schoen for their GM job [Edit: Now hired by Giants as GM]

[buffaloaggie]

1 hour ago, inthebuff said:

There's been speculation that Shoen will hire Daboll as the head coach who will be bringing in Buffalo FAs such as Mitchell Trubisky, Isaiah McKenzie, Matt Brieda, and Ryan Bates with him.  I guess that depends on the cap money that the Giants would be able to free up.

There's also speculation that Flores is the lead candidate. Multiple sources have mentioned his name as wanting to interview and there's supposedly great interest on both sides. Flores is from Brooklyn, so it would be a bit of a homecoming. See if Schoen changes minds in New Jersey to look more at Daboll. 

[SectionC3]

2 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

So I keep asking, and would be very obliged to be pointed at this reporting.  (I'm not doubting, I just want to see it)

It was (obviously) the Athletic.  JB reported (I think shortly after the Colts debacle) that McKenzie lost his job in part because he was too casual with the ball in practice. 

[Alphadawg7]

1 hour ago, LyndonvilleBill said:

People keep saying McKenzie is small compared to Cole. I don't get it? He's 1/4 " shorter and about the same weight? Does a quarter inch make that much of a difference?

I didn’t say he is small compared to Beasley.  I said because he is small he is going to need to be able to beat people on his routes if he wants to replace Beasley effectively.  
 

I said Cole is an elite route runner with exceptional hands.  He is small too, but he excels because of those two attributes.  Not to mention, Cole is pretty tough when it comes to YAC and getting that third down conversion.

 

So again, if McKenzie wants to excel as a starting slot WR like Cole, and be a focal point of an offense, he is going to need to excel at winning his routes and having good hands like Cole has done.  

[78thealltimegreat]

4 hours ago, MiltonWaddams said:

While you are not wrong, I’m going to have to also reference the guys that they’ve kept in-house. They are homegrown towns, but the re-signing of White, Milano and Allen were very good signs. These three were guys that we historically would’ve had far greater risk of losing, and in the case of Tre and Milano, would have most definitely lost.

We didn’t have much money to spend and we basically  spent it on resigning guys below what they could have gotten on the open market…in addition when we did have money Mitch Morse who was the top free agent center signed with Buffalo because of Josh….a winning culture and a franchise qb has many people wanting to sign with Buffalo this argument that no one wants to come to Buffalo is ridiculous and should be over already  

Edited January 21, 2022 by 78thealltimegreat

[BuffaloBill]

Would be cool if B’lo can get Saquon for mid round pick - I doubt it but nice thought. 

[FLFan]

47 minutes ago, buffaloaggie said:

There's also speculation that Flores is the lead candidate. Multiple sources have mentioned his name as wanting to interview and there's supposedly great interest on both sides. Flores is from Brooklyn, so it would be a bit of a homecoming. See if Schoen changes minds in New Jersey to look more at Daboll. 

I understand why people assume this hire puts Daboll in the drivers seat, but we really do not know anything about how Schoen feels about Daboll.  I think it is a big leap to presume he is the favored candidate.  I doubt Schoen would have been hired had he indicated in the interviews that he had his mind made up with out talking to any candidates.  

[boco357]

I have to think the Giants want someone with head coaching experience.  They have been burnt the last few times with Mcadoo, Shurmur and Judge.

[FLFan]

8 minutes ago, BuffaloBill said:

Would be cool if B’lo can get Saquon for mid round pick - I doubt it but nice thought. 

Not to me.  The Bills do not need that contract on a RB, especially one that cannot stay on the field.  I would not trade for Saquan under any deal.  I would probably be interested in a cheap deal if/when he is cut.  

[BADOLBILZ]

14 minutes ago, BuffaloBill said:

Would be cool if B’lo can get Saquon for mid round pick - I doubt it but nice thought. 

 

 

Giving up a pick that could become a starting OL or WR in a year or two and then paying $7.2M next year for a guy who averaged 3.5 ypc this year and missed most of the previous year would not be cool by any definition.

 

Barkley is less than worthless..........he would cost the Giants draft capital to trade.

[Malazan]

Congratulations to Schoen. Sucks to lose him. I have faith Beane will be able to replace him. 

[MAJBobby]

I am going to really be interested how Beane and McD rebuilds their staffs as talent is stripped from their staffs. Next challenge for them that is for sure. 

39 minutes ago, BuffaloBill said:

Would be cool if B’lo can get Saquon for mid round pick - I doubt it but nice thought. 

What is that Giants giving us a Mid round pick to take that contract off their hands?  Or did you mean us giving up a pick for an oft INJ RB?

[ehfeuh57]

GL to you sir

[Reed83HOF]

1 hour ago, buffaloaggie said:

There's also speculation that Flores is the lead candidate. Multiple sources have mentioned his name as wanting to interview and there's supposedly great interest on both sides. Flores is from Brooklyn, so it would be a bit of a homecoming. See if Schoen changes minds in New Jersey to look more at Daboll. 

 

Giants GM Joe Schoen is expected to meet with Bills OC Brian Daboll and DC Leslie Frazier about the Giants’ head coaching job this weekend, per a source, and as @RapSheet reported. I was told they requested permission earlier today.

[BADOLBILZ]

2 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

I am going to really be interested how Beane and McD rebuilds their staffs as talent is stripped from their staffs. Next challenge for them that is for sure. 

 

 

Well if you are a good young assistant coach..........working under McDermott right now would probably look like a fast track.    

 

[jkeerie]

4 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Also if Flores misses out on HC jobs which is possible he's likely to join Daboll as his DC.

Flores is from NY, so word is he's already being considered for the HC job there.  I think Mara reached out to him.

[LABILLBACKER]

1 hour ago, FLFan said:

Not to me.  The Bills do not need that contract on a RB, especially one that cannot stay on the field.  I would not trade for Saquan under any deal.  I would probably be interested in a cheap deal if/when he is cut.  

Guys like Barkley and Zeke are so overrated. Gimme a good change of pace speed RB to backup Motor and we'll be fine.

[CircleTheWagons99]

Friend of mine is Giants fan, loves this hire. Also said the Bills are winning the SB. 

[BillsFan4]

Congrats to Joe. I hate to lose him but he’s earned the opportunity. I just hope he doesn’t poach too many people from the Bills.

 

I could also see him having a # of the same targets in the draft as the Bills this year. Giants pick ahead of us in every round so it could be frustrating for Beane. 😂

[CaliBills]

Dont be surprised if we get some "deals" with NYG in the future.

 

Kind of like Schoen giving a little love to Beane for helping him become successful and getting a shot.  

 

Very similar to Beane and McD giving love to Carolina in deals for players.

[JGMcD2]

On 1/10/2022 at 3:13 PM, JGMcD2 said:

This would suck... but at the same time I have full confidence in Beane to find a suitable replacement. Crazy thing is, we have guys in house that can take over for Schoen. I know he's been a big part of things behind the scenes. 

 

Guys like Malik Boyd, Lake Dawson, Terrance Gray and Brian Gaine are more than capable.

 

We'd just be back filling one of their positions... probably even elevating Curtis Rukavina to replace who is promoted. 

Weird… 

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

6 hours ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:

I could see Mitch, Hughes, Star, Mongo and Bease playing in NJ next year. 
 

Im sure teams will try and poach Dorsey, but he may want to stay if offered OC.

 

Maybe that was part of the deal, we give you permission to hire Schoen, but you need to take Star in a trade  so we get rid of his contract!  LOL

 

Could see Beasley and Mongo going there, maybe Mitch if he can't find a better situation.

[Norcalbillsfan]

19 minutes ago, CaliBills said:

Dont be surprised if we get some "deals" with NYG in the future.

 

Kind of like Schoen giving a little love to Beane for helping him become successful and getting a shot.  

 

Very similar to Beane and McD giving love to Carolina in deals for players.

Unless Barkley comes dirt cheap I'm good on that dumpster fire lol. But your probably right. Id say theres a decent chance the giants qb room has fromm and trubisky in it next year.

[Mango]

Strong dislike of the interviews this weekend. Really wish the NFL would end interviewing during the playoffs. 

[Warcodered]

27 minutes ago, CaliBills said:

Dont be surprised if we get some "deals" with NYG in the future.

 

Kind of like Schoen giving a little love to Beane for helping him become successful and getting a shot.  

 

Very similar to Beane and McD giving love to Carolina in deals for players.

This is definitely possible, different conferences and both are likely to have a good idea of how the other sees things. With the Giants likely rebuilding if Beane sees an opportunity to do something that would work with two teams in two very different modes.

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

8 minutes ago, Mango said:

Strong dislike of the interviews this weekend. Really wish the NFL would end interviewing during the playoffs. 

i agree. I guess the positive is that it is Saturday— I have to think the work is done by then for the most part.  But Schoen couldn’t schedule these for Monday instead? 

[atlbillsfan1975]

6 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

I feel like our PS guys are about to be raided in the off-season. We will see who Beane can keep. Guys like Isaiah Hodgins might have an easier time seeing the field in New Jersey 

Ya think? I honestly believe Cole is gone and Hodgins will have as good shot with the Bills as anywhere else. McKenzie could come back, but he will get multi-year offers from teams so the Bills will need to match that. 

[Mango]

1 minute ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

i agree. I guess the positive is that it is Saturday— I have to think the work is done by then for the most part.  But Schoen couldn’t schedule these for Monday instead? 

Don't want it Monday either. If the Bills win, there’s a quick turnaround for game planning. I’ve heard these interviews can be 4-6 hours long for HC. 
 

That said, you’d have to assume that some of this may be performative for Shoen and both are already penciled in for a second interview a week or two from now. 

[Mr. WEO]

43 minutes ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

i agree. I guess the positive is that it is Saturday— I have to think the work is done by then for the most part.  But Schoen couldn’t schedule these for Monday instead? 

 

He's the Asst. GM.  I think they will be OK without the Asst. GM this weekend.

 

Unless he's bringing Beane with him, I don't see a way out for the Gunts.

[klos63]

52 minutes ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

i agree. I guess the positive is that it is Saturday— I have to think the work is done by then for the most part.  But Schoen couldn’t schedule these for Monday instead? 

If you're referring to Daboll and Frazier, I believe that if no interview was conducted they couldn't interview until our season is over, but if they interviewed before the Chiefs game, 2nd interviews are allowed before the Super Bowl.

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

6 minutes ago, klos63 said:

If you're referring to Daboll and Frazier, I believe that if no interview was conducted they couldn't interview until our season is over, but if they interviewed before the Chiefs game, 2nd interviews are allowed before the Super Bowl.

That makes a lot more sense. Thanks. 

[Call_Of_Ktulu]

Do we have to give them a 3rd rd pick because he’s white?

[Saint Doug]

Seriously, the only front office person worth his ilk is the guy who stuck his neck out to target Allen. I don’t know who this is. But, outside of Allen, our FA pick-ups and drafts have been average. That said, with Allen, that’s pretty much all we need. 

[MAJBobby]

So with the Schoen Hire. Does Beane replace from within like a Promotion or Malik Boyd?

 

Or is it likely senior Advisor Brian Gaine get a actual title again. 

[HardyBoy]

6 hours ago, FLFan said:

Not to me.  The Bills do not need that contract on a RB, especially one that cannot stay on the field.  I would not trade for Saquan under any deal.  I would probably be interested in a cheap deal if/when he is cut.  

 

Would likely result into a high comp pick. They already signed his fifth year option, isn't that guaranteed?

 

Also he'll be two years off an acl. Think he's gonna have a huge year. He's also being paid as a top 10 rb in the league on his fifth year option. I think JA is somewhere around the 20th or so at qb...Baker is in that ballpark as well I believe.

 

Moral of the story, don't draft a rb that early. Second moral of the story. If you can get a potential top 2 rb at top 10 salary, and likely get the pick back that it cost to get him in two years as a comp pick...I think you do that deal, at least in a vacuum, obviously other resignings that need to happen.

[ALF]

Bills need to hire the best college scout money can buy to replace Schoen to be Asst Gm 

[HardyBoy]

3 minutes ago, ALF said:

Bills need to hire the best college scout money can buy to replace Schoen to be Asst Gm 

 

If best also includes personality and ability to collaborate, then totally agree.

[AuntieEm]

8 hours ago, JohnNord said:

Thought of this while listening to Brandon Beane’s press conference about Joe Schoen (by the way, Beane put him over like a million dollars)

 

Am I correct, in assuming in was Ted Marchibroda signing with Indianapolis 31 years ago!?!?!?

 

I know former Bills head coaches have gotten jobs after leaving Buffalo (Wade, Gregggggg, Mularkey, St, Doug), but I can’t remember a time when a current Bills OC or DC was hired by another team.  
 

In fact, outside of Daboll and Frazier, I believe that only assistants to even get looks were Ted Cottrell and Jerry Gray…. maybe Elijah Pitts?  

Still, if I’m correct that’s a pretty damning statistic given the state of the franchise over the past 3 decades before McDermott.  The logical solution is when teams fail to make the playoffs if the HC does take the fall, the coordinators do.  There probably wasn’t one who was successful enough to keep his job
 

Also, out of the 4 consecutive Super Bowl trips, how was Marchibroda the only assistant to get a head coaching gig?  

And also outside of Brian Gaine in 2018 and now Schoen, I don’t think the Bills have had someone from the front office leave GM.  

 

 

 

     Bill Polian became GM in Carolina then GM in Indy and won a SB with Peyton Manning.  I believe the biggest reason for the drought was Ralph firing Polian.  If he was still bringing in draft talent maybe we would have drafted Peyton since Polian drafted him for the Colts.

  And then maybe NE never dominates for 2 decades. Maybe Peyton/Brady in same division their h2h games mirror Kelly/Marino. Change a few things we avoid the drought.  

Edited January 22, 2022 by AuntieEm

[smuvtalker]

14 hours ago, MiltonWaddams said:

While you are not wrong, I’m going to have to also reference the guys that they’ve kept in-house. They are homegrown towns, but the re-signing of White, Milano and Allen were very good signs. These three were guys that we historically would’ve had far greater risk of losing, and in the case of Tre and Milano, would have most definitely lost.

This just simply CANNOT be overstated.  These in-house re-signings were effing huge, IMO.  Matter of fact, I had already emotionally moved on from Milano, grieved his loss, had begun to attend support groups for those coping with the death of a loved one, because I KNEW there was no way we'd re-sign him. When I got the text message notification that we had re-signed Milano, I literally lost my cookies.  I was ecstatic, but even more so, I was befuddled.  And not only did we re-sign him, he gave us a hometown discount!  

It's moves like these that truly reflect the change in culture, the organization as a whole.

[HomeTeam]

Did not see this posted here. 

 

Here is Beanes media availability on Schoens hire. 

 

We have such a great leadership. 

 

 

[Doc Brown]

3 hours ago, AuntieEm said:

 

 Bill Polian became GM in Carolina then GM in Indy and won a SB with Peyton Manning.  I believe the biggest reason for the drought was Ralph firing Polian.  If he was still bringing in draft talent maybe we would have drafted Peyton since Polian drafted him for the Colts.

  And then maybe NE never dominates for 2 decades. Maybe Peyton/Brady in same division their h2h games mirror Kelly/Marino. Change a few things we avoid the drought.  

I don't agree with the logic here.  Polian would've had to have been terrible at his job for five years in order to get the #1 pick in 1998.  He would've been fired long before then.