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  1. so how do you go about it and what kind of reform are you thinking of? If you take funds from let's say police and reallocate it over here, how do you deal with the system upfront that is "creating the criminals" in the first place? What do you do with the ones who are too far gone?
  2. The rioting occurs when the protest is not able to self police, which many of them were pretty good at doing until mayhem started. Once the mayhem started, the ability to self police went away because everyone was trying not to get their eyes shot out, beat, arrested or dealing with the effects of tear gas and pepper spray. This created an opportunity for the bad actors within the protest and those from outside to come an achieve their goal. There was a local article out here in LA, from a local pizza business https://www.dailynews.com/2020/06/03/la-pizza-shop-weathers-pandemic-takes-beating-from-vandals/ “We were slinging slices. Everyone was happy. It was a very peaceful march,” Alt recalled Sunday as he surveyed the damage at his restaurant. As the sun was setting, most marchers had moved on. Then a different group came into the neighborhood, he said, and they weren’t carrying signs or protesting anything. “These were professional looters,” Alt said. “It seemed like people were excited to rage and riot.” He watched in disbelief as several cars pulled up across the street and a group of about 20 people got out and rampaged through a liquor store. They grabbed bottles of booze and bags of chips. Within 30 seconds, they had cleared the place out. Alt closed early and left around 9 p.m., taking all the cash and tablet computers. It seems like if as you suggest, you a de-escalating technique upfront and during the protest, it is easier and more likely for self-governance and achieving good results. It is near the end of the protest or as it moves on, making sure you have the resources left to provide the basic security for the area that is needed. But that begs a question, sould you have more enforcement in the area or do you police it as normal? I am not going to discuss the effectiveness of regular enforcement for a burglary at a business in normal situations since that id likely another discussion LOL
  3. But there is more to than just the simple policing aspect of it. There are police unions (who were formed with good intent), but like everything can become corrupted over time. If you have a force that has enough "bad apples" they will chose a "bad apple leader". You have DAs who won't bring charges, the coroners (Minny ruled G. Floyd was natural causes), mayors and governors are scared to act against the police industry because of the veiled threat of have a great community of crime without us. You have non violent offenders who have been incarcerated due to the system racism above, how do you handle rehabilitating the people who are serving 10 years for dealing weed? How has prison changed them? Can they become functioning citizens again? How do you handle all of the mental issues that will have to be overcome to build trust and establish new patterns of behavior? It's all of this and it isn't a simple quick fix... and finally The Corportations Industries and people profit off of all of this. There are lobbyists, private companies, publicly traded companies and employees who feed their families off of it, so dismantling this to ensure truly colorblind and just system, will affect this group as well. Here is a graphic I found: This is not something that will get addressed over night and it will be very painful and tedious...
  4. These topics are creeping up in many threads and a lot of different viewpoints are out there on this. There are a lot of knowledgeable posters on this board and I think we can have some good discussion on the issues affecting our black brothers and sisters (as well as others) in this country. There will be a lot of discussion points throughout the year(s) to come that will affect the sports world as well. I am hope we can have a civil thread where we can learn, challenge each other and express the viewpoints associated with some hot button topics that are all intertwined - it isn't just a stop killing black people issue: For some reason, this entire situation has affected me and I have been trying to listen and learn as much as I can, never really expected to ever become this guy, but anyways here goes... Systemic Racism Before you can even touch the policing issue, this entire wheel and system needs to be broken: The redlines, the lack of loans, lack of education, the turning to hustling to make ends meet, turning to drugs to drown the pain of being kept down by the machine and the damage to your psyche of self worth as a person solely because the color of your skin put you in a system that was designed to do just this. Fine you want equal rights, you can have it, but we will Fugg you a different way. You have to have a real discussion as to what do you do with the generations of black people who are stuck cycling around or or stuck in specific areas of the cycle. How do you lift them out? The term everyone hates, reparations, does to a degree change this - injecting money to stabalize 13% of the US population which should to a degree end some of the illegal hustling that occurs in those communities. You have to understand that the hustling is a result of low wages, which comes from a worse education experience, not everyone is able to pull themselves out. This somehow has to be addressed. How do you assist the person who has become addicted to drugs due to the depression they encounter in life for not being able to provide for their family, those who did not have a fair chance in America, who didn't receive a good education, who grew up in a broken home from parents who were incarcerated for hustling etc. This is not easy by any means to help shore up such a weak part in society. How do you help the psyche of everyone, who has to plan every interaction every day and every minute of their lives? You can't address the policing issue without creating a new foundation. The Criminal Justice System On the policing side of things there are basically 2 options: 1.) reform 2.) abolition Reform works good when you have a functioning system that is just and ours isn't. Our system functions exactly as it was designed. To encourage some discussion and to be provocative, my view tends more toward abolition. Here is a great website that discusses these 2 topics: http://criticalresistance.org/abolish-policing/
  5. This is wrong, police budgets have been growing and they have been spending the money on more militarization, which is not their function or role in society. The system as it is designed to fix "crime" and "crime" is in the areas that are being protested now because of the systemic racism that has been going on forever; the redlines, the lack of loans, lack of education, the turning to hustling to make ends meet, turning to drugs to drown the pain of being kept down by the machine and the damage to your psyche of self worth as a person solely because the color of your skin put you in a system that was designed to do just this. Fine you want equal rights, you can have it, but we will Fugg you a different way. The entire police system as it is when talking about going to the communities and developing relationships, more training, more police, better body cams, more prosecution doesn't change much of anything. Not only do you see issues with Police, there are police unions, DAs who won't bring charges, the coroner is Minny ruled it was natural causes, mayors and governors are scared to act against the police industry because of what you just pointed out. You do this to us, try living without us is a bs argument and is akin to You can't tackle policing and what I favor abolishing it, without fixing the systemic racism system and battling the corporations that profit off of it (includes police with illegal seizures of money and for-profit policing of ticket quotas and all that crap) On a personal note, i can't believe I became this guy...
  6. sorry I had to chop it up, the size limitations for posting are freaking annoying. here is the website http://criticalresistance.org/abolish-policing/ I never expected that I would be leaning this way, but it is the most logical way forward. The current system was designed to do all of this. The uphill and true battle is to dismantle not only all of this, but the companies who rely on prison labor as well and their lobbyists. This is not a simple solution by any means. This actually might make a really discussion thread, if we can keep political views out. I have been off the board for a little bit (my choice) and figured I should jump all the way back in LOL It needs to be torn down, the entire system is working as it is designed.
  7. So to be upfront, TLDR - just hopping in here It needs to be abolished the system is performing the way in which it was designed. This is the quick answer and will strike fear in many people, but there are many issues that need to be tackled. First systemic racism has to be tackled and dismantled, this is the wheel that keeps it all moving; it needs to break. From there you have to have a real discussion as to what do you do with the generations of black people who are stuck with in or various portions of the cycle and how do you lift them out. The term everyone hates, reparations, does to a degree change this, but it is not nearly enough to assist the people that the system broke. How do you assist the person who has become addicted to drugs due to the depression they encounter in life for not being able to provide for their family, those who did not have a fair chance in America, who didn't receive a good education, who grew up in a broken home from parents who were incarcerated for hustling etc. This is not easy by any means to help shore up such a weak part in society. How do you help the psyche of our black brothers and sisters, who have to plan every interaction every day and every minute of their lives? Once (or in conjunction with) this cycle being broken, you have to address the entire prison industrial complex. This is where you get into policing
  8. and uniting the white and black communities in the process. The white folks who were protesting do not like to be shot at, tear gassed, assaulted by police for no reason (in quite a few instances), arrested for illegal curfews aimed at curtailing first amendment protected protests , being detained indefinitely, locked in a cage, and have the relieve themselves in the same cage. What happens when the cameras aren't around? how many times have you seen this the past week? I can think of only 1 instance in Ft Lauderdale
  9. you could say this about almost every police department & union right now
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