Toledo Bill Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 Dawkins seems to have regressed badly. Whether due to Covid or another reason he looks like he is really struggling and is causing big problems for Allen. I understand that left tackle takes a special akill set and is different than right tackle but could we do any worse with Brown at left tackle? we don’t have many options at this point but Dawkins really seems to have become a liability. 2 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 (edited) The constant during Dion’s average years at LT is poor guard play at LG, 2018 and this year. When guard play has been solid Dion has been good, 2017, 2019, 2020. Edited November 26, 2021 by atlbillsfan1975 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quincy Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 Granderson appeared to have a very good game against Dawkins. The play where Dawkins grabbed the back of his jersey when totally beaten was embarrassing. Dawkins was playing against a backup instead of Davenport. Can only assume that Dawkins would have fared even worse against him. Having an out of form LT is troubling going forward. What are the negatives in giving Brown a shot at LT? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 Dion has not yet recovered from covid imo 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloFan68 Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 Usually when an entire unit regresses, it’s a coaching issue. I don’t expect Bobby Johnson to have his position with us next year unless our line improves drastically between now and the rest of the year. Let’s Go Buffalo 🦬 6 7 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvlevydraftdaygenius Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 2 minutes ago, quincy said: Granderson appeared to have a very good game against Dawkins. The play where Dawkins grabbed the back of his jersey when totally beaten was embarrassing. Dawkins was playing against a backup instead of Davenport. Can only assume that Dawkins would have fared even worse against him. Having an out of form LT is troubling going forward. What are the negatives in giving Brown a shot at LT? Brown has all the talent but now we know the problems with the line. It has been on the left side all season, which is why Allen has not put up the numbers he did last year. The game should have been over at half but IKE Boettger, play was abysmal. If Allen must look over his left shoulder every passing play that is a recipe for disaster. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 36 minutes ago, ALF said: Dion has not yet recovered from covid imo I'm guessing but he was a bit out of shape in the offseason then he had a big battle with covid that had him lose a lot of weight, probably muscle mass. He probably needs an entire offseason to get back strength. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSBill Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 If Doyle develops to being a starter at one of the Tackle positions (with S Brown at the other), or the Bills get another starter in the off-season, I would expect they move Dawkins to left guard next season. By the way, I was excited to see Bates at RG for a few plays, but unfortunately not long enough to make a true assessment--but he did well in his brief appearance before getting injured. And then Douglas came in before Ford returned, and both he and Bates did respectable. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCofNC Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 7 minutes ago, CSBill said: If Doyle develops to being a starter at one of the Tackle positions (with S Brown at the other), or the Bills get another starter in the off-season, I would expect they move Dawkins to left guard next season. By the way, I was excited to see Bates at RG for a few plays, but unfortunately not long enough to make a true assessment--but he did well in his brief appearance before getting injured. And then Douglas came in before Ford returned, and both he and Bates did respectable. I was excited to see Bates get out there, turns out you can’t keep a guy off the field forever because he’s “so valuable” and throw him in cold. He was fine for what, 2 plays? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianmoorman4jesus Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 I have actually been sort of envisioning a bizarre scenario where eventually Dawkins gets bounced inside down the road and you just have 2 monster Guards in Dawkins and Williams. Then playing Brown at one of the tackles and a player to be named later as the opposite tackle. No idea why. I just keep thinking about it. Super physical and just hammering people 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 dawkins personally blew up 2 of our first 3 drives with a sack given up and a holding call when he was badly beaten. we aren’t gonna beat good teams with that type of play from our left tackle 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 1 hour ago, quincy said: Having an out of form LT is troubling going forward. What are the negatives in giving Brown a shot at LT? Playing Brown improved the play overall of the line, but it was a low bar to start with. Everything written that I've read said he played well for a brand new rookie, but wasn't great either. It also could slow his overall development down switching positions. I think that's one of the issues with Ford, rookie training camp played guard the entire time, then switch to tackle for the regular season, then back to guard year 2. Do agree wit the comments that Dawkins hasn't recovered from Covid fully, not sure if it's strength or stamina. If Stamina, would rather see them bring Doyle in for some plays to give him a rest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichRiderBills Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 Dawkins played terrible and deserved to get benched. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 (edited) Dawkins has struggled this year. Not only was he beaten multiple times in pass pro, he almost caused a fumble in the run game as well. There was a handoff, I think in the 2nd, he allowed the DE to penetrate so quickly that Singletary was hit immediately as he got the handoff. I was expecting a fumble and surprised he held on to it. Dawkins deserves as much criticism as anyone on the line. Edited November 26, 2021 by Royale with Cheese 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niagara Dude Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 9 minutes ago, RichRiderBills said: Dawkins played terrible and deserved to get benched. I think getting Covid has cost him this season, does not look the same at all and he is the anchor of our offensive line. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 Yea.. if we’re going by the Moss/McKenzie Doctrine, Dawkins shouldn’t even be active next week after that abysmal performance. Obviously we aren’t going to do that, but hopefully getting Brown and Feliciano back lifts the entire OL and Dawkins figures out how to play LT again at some point this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VirginiaMike Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 25 minutes ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said: I have actually been sort of envisioning a bizarre scenario where eventually Dawkins gets bounced inside down the road and you just have 2 monster Guards in Dawkins and Williams. Then playing Brown at one of the tackles and a player to be named later as the opposite tackle. No idea why. I just keep thinking about it. Super physical and just hammering people I'm thinking that Dawkins is not mobile / quick enough to play guard. there would be little if any run game outside the tackles if that occurred. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 1 hour ago, ALF said: Dion has not yet recovered from covid imo I get he was hospitalized but this seems much more like a convenient excuse than anything real. He is a liability and lost the Tennessee game by himself. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 At this rate, we are going to need to clone Spencer Brown and play him at every position on the line. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 39 minutes ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said: I have actually been sort of envisioning a bizarre scenario where eventually Dawkins gets bounced inside down the road and you just have 2 monster Guards in Dawkins and Williams. Then playing Brown at one of the tackles and a player to be named later as the opposite tackle. No idea why. I just keep thinking about it. Super physical and just hammering people No way the Bills will pay monster contracts for guards. Unless there is a long term issue with Dawkins, i see him and Brown as tackles, Morse at center and 2 new guards next season. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CNYfan Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 I believe Spencer to LT will be very much under consideration for the 2022/2023 season Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rigotz Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 This is a wild thought, but maybe we keep our franchise Left Tackle at Left Tackle and keep our solid rookie Right Tackle at Right Tackle? Dawkins is having a bad year, but he had a very bad case of covid and has absolute garbage at Guard next to him. Do we really think he sucks all of a sudden? Like he went from being above average for several years to sucking so bad that we have to change his position? Stop it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 I am not convinced Brown won’t have the same lasting Covid effects as it appears Dawkins has. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LyndonvilleBill Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 19 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: I am not convinced Brown won’t have the same lasting Covid effects as it appears Dawkins has. Do we know if he even has any symptoms? I'm not seeing much talk about it. I think this would make a considerable difference when talking Dawkins versus Brown's return.🤔 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 3 hours ago, Toledo Bill said: Dawkins seems to have regressed badly. Whether due to Covid or another reason he looks like he is really struggling and is causing big problems for Allen. I understand that left tackle takes a special akill set and is different than right tackle but could we do any worse with Brown at left tackle? we don’t have many options at this point but Dawkins really seems to have become a liability. Dawkins is likely still not recovered 100% from COVID and probably won't be for the rest of the year 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 11 minutes ago, LyndonvilleBill said: Do we know if he even has any symptoms? I'm not seeing much talk about it. I think this would make a considerable difference when talking Dawkins versus Brown's return.🤔 We will have to see Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 3 hours ago, quincy said: Granderson appeared to have a very good game against Dawkins. The play where Dawkins grabbed the back of his jersey when totally beaten was embarrassing. Dawkins was playing against a backup instead of Davenport. Can only assume that Dawkins would have fared even worse against him. Having an out of form LT is troubling going forward. What are the negatives in giving Brown a shot at LT? Dawkins should be ashamed of himself. He looked like Mark Eaton trying to guard Steph Curry 25 feet away from the basket. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyBatty is alive Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 3 hours ago, Marvlevydraftdaygenius said: Brown has all the talent but now we know the problems with the line. It has been on the left side all season, which is why Allen has not put up the numbers he did last year. The game should have been over at half but IKE Boettger, play was abysmal. If Allen must look over his left shoulder every passing play that is a recipe for disaster. Yep, he also cost us 7 points, took a TD away from to Allen-Knox as he was drifting too far past the line of scrimmage and was called for ineligible man downfield and the next play Allen throw a pick. Without that Allen would have had 5 td passes and 1 int, instead 4 td and 2 ints. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gobills404 Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 Maybe we should just stop changing our opinions on players on a week to week basis 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 1 hour ago, oldmanfan said: I am not convinced Brown won’t have the same lasting Covid effects as it appears Dawkins has. It’s certainly a fear. As for the OP’s suggestion of moving Brown to LT, you can’t do that mid season. There’s a leaning curve when flipping sides. And I think Dawkins will be back to form next season. Unfortunately this season he’s only going to be about 75% due to how badly Covid hit him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 2 hours ago, mattynh said: I get he was hospitalized but this seems much more like a convenient excuse than anything real. He is a liability and lost the Tennessee game by himself. It's a better explanation that he just regressed for no reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paup 1995MVP Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 1 hour ago, Rigotz said: This is a wild thought, but maybe we keep our franchise Left Tackle at Left Tackle and keep our solid rookie Right Tackle at Right Tackle? Dawkins is having a bad year, but he had a very bad case of covid and has absolute garbage at Guard next to him. Do we really think he sucks all of a sudden? Like he went from being above average for several years to sucking so bad that we have to change his position? Stop it. Dawkins is not a franchise LT. Not sure where anyone ever thought that. The guy at his best was decent. (Maybe a poor man's John Fina or Cordy Glenn when healthy) This year he is terrible. We could not run to the left side last nite at all. And his pass protection.... we all saw what happened w that. If he isn't recovered from Covid he should have been placed on IR. Do you really think Bates would have done any worse this year there? The personnel use on this team is questionable at best. At least Moss and McKenzie were benched. Big revamp this offseason on the O line. But hey the defense at least brought the wood last nite-that was great to see.. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 (edited) I hope the Bills are doing their due diligence in evaluating Trevor Penning. I’d like to see a Penning, Brown bookend pairing for the Bills. Move Shnowman to Guard Edited November 26, 2021 by Solomon Grundy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 Let's re evaluate this next year and I'll save you the time the answer is no. The right side of our line, the pending back to full health Dawkins and the addition of 1-2 new guards is going to make this line one of the 10 best in the league. And btw, I thought Ford played his best game as a Bill last night. It's not saying a ton but I thought he was decent. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheyCallMeAndy Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 3 hours ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said: I have actually been sort of envisioning a bizarre scenario where eventually Dawkins gets bounced inside down the road and you just have 2 monster Guards in Dawkins and Williams. Then playing Brown at one of the tackles and a player to be named later as the opposite tackle. No idea why. I just keep thinking about it. Super physical and just hammering people 100% agree Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pags24 Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 I've been tough on Cody Ford lately but he wasn't the issue last night, he played pretty well from what I could tell. Dawkins was bad last night, the weakest link on the line for sure....and his mistakes weren't related to LG play, he got burned and pushed around all night. Hope he bounces back next week 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peace Frog Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 Dawkins should change his nickname to the Shlowman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 5 hours ago, quincy said: Having an out of form LT is troubling going forward. agreed 5 hours ago, quincy said: What are the negatives in giving Brown a shot at LT? well he didn’t look good there in preseason Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 39 minutes ago, gobills404 said: Maybe we should just stop changing our opinions on players on a week to week basis This stat makes it sound like he's been stellar............but the kind of pressure the Bills OL is allowing is IMMEDIATE. In reality all this stat tells you is that he's not been the guy letting players into the pocket untouched (except of course on a play like the holding penalty against Granderson last night........which technically I don't believe counts as a pressure either). Somewhat deceiving stat, IMO. Also........didn't they put Spencer Brown at LT for a play versus the Jets and put Dion Dawkins at LG? Dawkins immediately committed a penalty as I recall. Moving Brown to LT was floated as a rumor in the week leading up to the Jets game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ticketssince61 Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 3 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said: Dawkins has struggled this year. Not only was he beaten multiple times in pass pro, he almost caused a fumble in the run game as well. There was a handoff, I think in the 2nd, he allowed the DE to penetrate so quickly that Singletary was hit immediately as he got the handoff. I was expecting a fumble and surprised he held on to it. Dawkins deserves as much criticism as anyone on the line. I think in the first half he allowed 2 sacks and would have been 3 if not for his holding penalty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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