benderbender Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 (edited) Knee jerk reaction time. Has McBeane and Co whiffed as badly on defensive talent as much as they seem to have on AJ Klein? He’s got a 3 year 18 mil contract with 9.7 guaranteed and the only discernible highlight play he has made in hindsight was to not tackle Newton so he could get the ball punched out by Zimmer. Edited November 3, 2020 by benderbender 3 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyBeets Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 It sure would be nice to unload that contract, but that won't happen. Nobody will take on his current contract. We messed up. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBillsFanSince1973 Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 he sure missed some tackles, that's for sure. I was like, what the hell, can this kid tackle? of course, it seems the defense as a whole has had issues with tackling and it's frustrating to say the least. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 The problem is his contract. Any FO with access to film won’t take it. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houston's #1 Bills Fan Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 4 minutes ago, A Firm Tree Does Not Fear said: he sure missed some tackles, that's for sure. I was like, what the hell, can this kid tackle? of course, it seems the defense as a whole has had issues with tackling and it's frustrating to say the least. You, Sir, are correct! 1 minute ago, YoloinOhio said: The problem is his contract. Any FO with access to film won’t take it. Maybe we should change his name and number! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eee1776 Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 No mustard for the Pretzel and Hot dog is a deal breaker, 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjt328 Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 Definitely Beane's worst signing since becoming our GM. At least most of his whiffs could be cut easily after a season. Klein will be taking up a worthless roster spot for the next two years, unless we are willing to take the dead cap hit. 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCofNC Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 No way you are pulling doughnuts AND a hot dog. Gotta get real on his value. Just now, mjt328 said: Definitely Beane's worst signing since becoming our GM. At least most of his whiffs could be cut easily after a season. Klein will be taking up a worthless roster spot for the next two years, unless we are willing to take the dead cap hit. It’s on the list, but debatable in terms of worst, he’s had some really questionable signings / trades already. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 32 minutes ago, DCofNC said: It’s on the list, but debatable in terms of worst, he’s had some really questionable signings / trades already. This. Frankly, all of Beane's off-season FA acquisitions on defense have been huge disappointments so far, at least to me. He's spent more money than he would have on Shaq and Phillips, and gotten less performance. 4 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark80 Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 (edited) Wait, wait, wait. We paid WHAT for this guy??? That money could have went towards Shaq or Phillips. Definitely missed the mark on this one for sure. Edited November 3, 2020 by Mark80 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Success Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 7 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: This. Frankly, all of Beane's off-season FA acquisitions on defense have been huge disappointments so far, at least to me. He's spent more money than he would have on Shaq and Phillips, and gotten less performance. Agreed - it's really been the 1st time I've questioned his moves. It feels like we could have kept Shaq or Phillips, or even both. Our D would be much more what we've been used to had we done that. Shaq hurt the most, imo - I understand why we have to let some guys go eventually, but he was a high draft pick and was performing up to expectations. He'd make such a difference on this year's defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HT02 Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 49 minutes ago, A Firm Tree Does Not Fear said: he sure missed some tackles, that's for sure. I was like, what the hell, can this kid tackle? of course, it seems the defense as a whole has had issues with tackling and it's frustrating to say the least. But on other side at least he is slow and can'y cover anyone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo03 Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 I like this but only if the donuts are all chocolate glazed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blank Stare Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 They’d be giving up too much for Klein. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 Klein and Murphy are the first two that put a small dent into the pristine image I have of Brandon Beane as a GM. The fan base was overwhelmingly critical of keeping Murphy on the roster and signing Klein... and here we are, halfway through the season, and Klein has been terrible, while we potentially have to “sweeten the deal” to move Murphy’s contract in any trade scenario. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InEnemyTerritory Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 3 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said: I like this but only if the donuts are all chocolate glazed We'd be lucky to get angel cream 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 No way I'd give up a hot dog. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WideNine Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 51 minutes ago, A Firm Tree Does Not Fear said: he sure missed some tackles, that's for sure. I was like, what the hell, can this kid tackle? of course, it seems the defense as a whole has had issues with tackling and it's frustrating to say the least. This. A lot of spectators and tourist for much of the second half. Some of that was Frazier not finding a solution to that bubble rpo they were executing off the edge. But it does seem that when this defense, as a whole, swarm to the ball and gang tackle they click. When they take turns executing flying arm tackles up high on players you see the long gainers gash our front. If we are honest, Klein may be the guy we are hating on but may also be the only defender diagnosing plays and weaving through traffic to get near enough to try to make a stop. So we notice him more. Probably a bit of both. Either way of looking at that is not very encouraging. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 28 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: This. Frankly, all of Beane's off-season FA acquisitions on defense have been huge disappointments so far, at least to me. He's spent more money than he would have on Shaq and Phillips, and gotten less performance. Agree. I didn't like Butler, Klein or Addison.... I did like Jefferson and thought Norman was worth a punt.... but so far not a one of them has come up smelling of roses. Matakevich has been his best defensive FA signing.... and he isn't really a defensive signing, he is a core special teamer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dma0034 Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 (edited) This is crazy talk. No team is willing to pay that much for Klein Edited November 3, 2020 by dma0034 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnNord Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said: The problem is his contract. Any FO with access to film won’t take it. This and the fact that there’s not a better healthy replacement on the roster. Andre Smith wasn’t very good either and Tyler Matekevich probably is worse. Maybe Darron Lee can at least provide some help with coverage, but it might take a few weeks. Fingers crossed...if all goes well after the bye, the LB room should looks like this: starters: - Edmunds - Milano - Dodson depth: Klein Lee Phillips Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 He was thinking in German, and thought he was getting Greg Little, OL, Carolina Panthers. Sometimes 4D chess can backfire on you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uticaclub Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 1 hour ago, mjt328 said: Definitely Beane's worst signing since becoming our GM. At least most of his whiffs could be cut easily after a season. Klein will be taking up a worthless roster spot for the next two years, unless we are willing to take the dead cap hit. Murphy's is right up there too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 His contract sucks....you would probably have to give a pick too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DabillsDaBillsDaBills Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 19 minutes ago, SCBills said: Klein and Murphy are the first two that put a small dent into the pristine image I have of Brandon Beane as a GM. The fan base was overwhelmingly critical of keeping Murphy on the roster and signing Klein... and here we are, halfway through the season, and Klein has been terrible, while we potentially have to “sweeten the deal” to move Murphy’s contract in any trade scenario. Kelvin Benjamin trade Quinton Spain 3 yr deal to be cut a few months later Going into the 2018 season with a QB depth of 1) Nathan Peterman 2) Josh Allen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsVet Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 39 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: This. Frankly, all of Beane's off-season FA acquisitions on defense have been huge disappointments so far, at least to me. He's spent more money than he would have on Shaq and Phillips, and gotten less performance. Beane bears some of the responsibility for the pro personnel side of the house not assessing UFAs. I would also place some of the problem on the HC and a scheme that apparently needed players like Klein. Sure, every 40 front needs the SLB, but McD has roster control and he had to have signed off on the signing. McD gets a wide berth here and I understand why because it's a Bills message board. At the same time, not all UFA decisions are solely on Beane. They're a team and thus far have swung and missed more than I'd like to see. Furthermore, as @BADOLBILZ points out, they've been very lucky in personnel decisions especially the draft. The big concern if this persists is that Buffalo reaches their ceiling of being a 10 win team a la Tennessee a few years ago and doesn't make the leap forward. Either way, Pro Personnel needs to be better and the scheme McD has must adapt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffalostu2 Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, benderbender said: Knee jerk reaction time. Has McBeane and Co whiffed as badly on defensive talent as much as they seem to have on AJ Klein? He’s got a 3 year 18 mil contract with 9.7 guaranteed and the only discernible highlight play he has made in hindsight was to not tackle Newton so he could get the ball punched out by Zimmer. Not true, he also missed the previous third down tackle where he had the ball carrier behind the line of scrimmage but allowed him to convert. If he makes that tackle they kick the field goal and we probably go to OT. So that is two highlight (lowlight?) plays. Game balls for Zimmer.... and Klein? 🤣 Edited November 3, 2020 by buffalostu2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerJ Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 A bag of donuts, a hot pretzel and a hot dog? It'll never work. The other team will want us to throw in a 4th round draft pick and we don't own on in the upcoming draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrbojanglezs Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 What's the cap hit on the bag of donuts? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Like A Mofo Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 Klein for a 3rd round pick. Sorry, just turned off my PS4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan_34 Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 Oh, we are talking about this guy again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Livinginthepast Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 TBH I hadnt really paid any attention to this signing at all. I did finally notice him when he over pursued Cam Newton on the TD. Then I started to notice how bad this guy was (at least in our defensive scheme). And.... wait for it.... He also played for the Carolina Panthers!!!! Wow did Beane not learn his lesson with Diggs or Brown that you can get quality difference making players by dealing with teams OTHER than Carolina?? Its getting ridiculous how he gets every Carolina retread in here! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirAndrew Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 (edited) I’d settle for a cold hard pretzel out of a bag, but only if it comes from Carolina. Edited November 3, 2020 by SirAndrew 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TN Bills Fan Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 Edmunds is a mess as well. Regardless whomever is playing DT he constantly picks the wrong hole or over pursues in the hole. Watch the Newton fumble-there is a lineman driving him backwards 5-10 yards. He plays too upright. Likely he has the wrong body type for the position. Let Milano go. He is a China doll. Move Edmunds outside and sign or draft a true MLB. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjt328 Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 1 hour ago, uticaclub said: Murphy's is right up there too Trent Murphy may be overpaid. But he occasionally makes plays. AJ Klein has been like having 10 guys on defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ngbills Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 May have to include the donuts, pretzel and dog with Klein... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 What kind of lunatic puts doughnuts in a bag? 2 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: The problem is his contract. Any FO with access to film won’t take it. maybe a team looking to lock in the tank will replace most any other start in the NFL with him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BornAgainBillsFan Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 Nobody's going to throw in the hot dog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blacklabel Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 I'm pretty sure they didn't expect he'd have to play this much but because Milano has been injured, they've needed him out there. Although, later in the game on Sunday, I did start to notice that Milano was out there for most of the last two Patriot drives. Hopefully he's a full go this week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 (edited) The only way we are going to move his K is if we take another bad one back in return. Edited November 3, 2020 by Nextmanup Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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