Unpopular take here...Tre is playing very meh

[97bills]

19 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said:

Who is the Aaron Donald on this D.. the guy that can consistently turn a game with a strip sack or other turnover?

 

We have none it looks like to me McDermott would rather have 8 ok guys to rotate then a few elite players. Then again we did draft Ed Oliver so hell I don’t no maybe he will be that guy one day 🤔

[ganesh]

37 minutes ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said:

I love White as a person but I would rather spend that money on a DT,DE,OT, WR, OLB. I think I saw White covering Everett today 3 times when he should've been glued to Woods or Kupp. I'm not a big fan of giving the CB position that kind of money, I would rather draft, develop and trade or franchise at that position. 

don't blame Tre for that.  thats on Mcdermott and leslie

[Lurker]

Zone defenses can look really bad against the Rams.    It seemed like Tre was playing off the WRs the whole game, which is tough against guys like Kupp and Woods.   

 

Still, his run support was nothing to write home about either, so.... 

[NewEra]

36 minutes ago, Whkfc said:

They are missing the inside pass rush of Jordan Phillips more than i think most realize.

I don’t think so.  He didn’t generate much pass rush. Seemed to me that every time he made a good move, he got a sack. I don’t remember him creating pressure consistently 

[TheBrownBear]

We played well for a half and then its like we hit a wall and had zero in the tank.  I'm guessing a conditioning issue with the truncated training camps?  Our line applied zero pressure in the second half and Goff had forever to pick apart the secondary.  The d-line appears to be a serious issue.  

[Giuseppe Tognarelli]

It almost seems like an unwritten rule in the NFL that if your offense starts playing well, the defense has to take a step back. You rarely have both, even if the talent level remains the same! It's a fascinating psychological phenomenon, and I think earlier posters hit it on the head when they suggest it's because the defense doesn't feel the same pressure to perform because they feel, whether consciously or not, that the offense can carry the load.

[TheBrownBear]

1 minute ago, Giuseppe Tognarelli said:

It almost seems like an unwritten rule in the NFL that if your offense starts playing well, the defense has to take a step back. You rarely have both, even if the talent level remains the same! It's a fascinating psychological phenomenon, and I think earlier posters hit it on the head when they suggest it's because the defense doesn't feel the same pressure to perform because they feel, whether consciously or not, that the offense can carry the load.

I think it's more about the need for the opponent's offense to play more aggressively when Facing a prodigious offense.

[Penfield45]

1 hour ago, Aussie Joe said:

Who is the Aaron Donald on this D.. the guy that can consistently turn a game with a strip sack or other turnover?

 

 

we need one. I really hope we can find an elite MLB soon for this defense. Edmunds isn't good enough at the moment and is a few years away from fully developing. 

[Mango]

1 hour ago, Do The Reich Thing said:

White has been underperforming, so has Edmunds.  Whatever “Tre” you’re taking about lol. As stated by many, the whole defense is subpar right now. Defenses around the NFL are getting torched.

 

Idk what Is going, but I have faith in the skill, coaching and intelligence of this defense that they’ll figure it out in the next couple weeks. 

 

 

It is wild. I’ve been bouncing back and forth. The defense has not looked good, but it also feels like every QB in the league is throwing like 350, 70%, and 2-3TDs. 

 

That said, Edmunds to me seems to be doing a bit worse than Tre just because it’s more characteristic of him. He can be slow to diagnose and stuff the hole. When he has the right instinct and trusts it, his physiology is terrifying. But he’s hesitant at the moment. 

[MyDogLuvsPB]

1 hour ago, Hebert19 said:

he's already been burned more this year than last...and his run support and tackling has been non existent.  

 

A couple times today he actually looked like he avoided contact.  

 

Thoughts?   

I totally agree!.  It has been reported that White was going to opt out befoer the season.   If he continues to play like this, he really ought to consider it again. 

 

On a side note, I'm getting sick and tired of Edmunds missing 1 on 1 tackles, especially those that lead to huge gains.  Let's temper this talk about his "All Pro" status now. 

[Billever76]

1 hour ago, Dr.Sack said:

When a team comes from behind they will throw at all targets that are open. To me White is simply playing the concept of the defense which is to keep everything in front of him.  

EXACTLY....Frazier is the biggest reason why our defense is underperforming

[Big Turk]

2 hours ago, BananaB said:

The defense doesn’t look the same, it not jus Tre. To be honest, defenses around the league all look pretty bad. Maybe it’s the no preseason. Hoping we tighten up shortly

 

NFL has set a record for most points through first 2 weeks and I would be shocked with all the high scores today if it didn't extend to the first 3 weeks.

 

Seems like all the defenses are struggling. Think we will be fine by midseason.

[Joe Ferguson]

Why do you have to play your butt off if you got the huge contract already?

[Paulus]

Unpopular take here at TBD. 

 

THE RAMS ARE A GOOD TEAM WITH A GREAT OFFENSE, LED BY A GREAT OFFENSIVE COACH!!!

[John from Riverside]

I think our D is dealing with several injuries (and that my include White)

 

Edmunds didnt look right

 

Milano wasn 100 percent

 

Hyde has been hurt more then once this year

 

and yes....Tre doesnt look like he is playing at an elite level right now

[mannc]

2 hours ago, BananaB said:

The defense doesn’t look the same, it not jus Tre. To be honest, defenses around the league all look pretty bad. Maybe it’s the no preseason. Hoping we tighten up shortly

It’s a league-wide trend.  I can’t think of a single defense that shutting other teams down. 

58 minutes ago, matter2003 said:

 

NFL has set a record for most points through first 2 weeks and I would be shocked with all the high scores today if it didn't extend to the first 3 weeks.

 

Seems like all the defenses are struggling. Think we will be fine by midseason.

In the first week, offensive holding calls were down 78%.  Haven’t seen the stats since, but I’m not seeing many of those called.

[billsbackto81]

When the D is on the field as long as these guys have been and you're not getting to the QB or causing TO's you're gonna get tired. Tre like every other elite DB works best when he only has to cover the route that's being run. Once the freelancing starts the advantage goes to the receiver. They have to get consistent pressure.

[billsherd]

McD should take over the play calling duties again to bring them back on track. 

[Dr.Sack]

The lack of crowd noise might also have an affect. NE still is good at D, no doubt they are finding it easier listening in on the QBs calls at the line. Something to look out for.

[Big C]

3 hours ago, Whkfc said:

They are missing the inside pass rush of Jordan Phillips more than i think most realize.

 

I don't necessarily think that's true. We seem to be getting good penetration. The run  D has been a little more suspect. And McVay was finding good holes in our zone. We got some good pressure and Goff made some great throws too. 

 

Philips' moxie we are definitely missing.

[GreggTX]

4 hours ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said:

I love White as a person but I would rather spend that money on a DT,DE,OT, WR, OLB. I think I saw White covering Everett today 3 times when he should've been glued to Woods or Kupp. I'm not a big fan of giving the CB position that kind of money, I would rather draft, develop and trade or franchise at that position. 

 

I have to disagree. I think CB is a crucial position as well as 4-3 DE or 3-4 OLB.

[SACTOBILLSFAN]

I disagree with this take emphatically. The problem is with the DL. I'm rewatching for the 2nd time, and I am no expert, but the line, mainly the tackles are getting manhandled. The lack of a pass rush is going to expose any CB. In this particular game, Goff is the absolute worst QB in football against pressure and the Bills got none, when that happens the Rams offense is going to pick any defense apart because it's designed well. They need to get to the QB. 

[gordong]

Tre'Davious White

 

yeah white is playing meh....   jfc some people need to get a grip. Can he play better, sure can the entire defense Yes...

 

Though two weeks ....
80 Coverage Snaps
4 Receptions
37 Yards
1 TD

Jalen Ramsey

89 Coverage Snaps
8 Receptions
81 Yards
0 TDs

Who's the better CB?

[SACTOBILLSFAN]

3 minutes ago, gordong said:

Tre'Davious White

 

yeah white is playing meh....   jfc some people need to get a grip. Can he play better, sure can the entire defense Yes...

 

Though two weeks ....
80 Coverage Snaps
4 Receptions
37 Yards
1 TD

Jalen Ramsey

89 Coverage Snaps
8 Receptions
81 Yards
0 TDs

Who's the better CB?

 

Yeah I'm not sure how anyone can say he's playing "meh" because it's just objectively incorrect. 

[Chandler#81]

1 minute ago, SACTOBILLSFAN said:

 

Yeah I'm not sure how anyone can say he's playing "meh" because it's just objectively incorrect. 

Try seeing it through the eyes of a nose-picking noob.

 

It'll clear a lot of things up.

[MJS]

I disagree. Tre is playing a great. You expect him to never give up a reception? That's just not possible. 90% of the game the opposing QB isn't even considering throwing in his direction. That means he is doing his job.

 

He got turned around on that one deep ball against the Dolphins (which should have been incomplete anyways because the receiver dropped it when he landed), and other than that what are we talking about? A short pass to the end zone against a giant TE? Stopping the run? Are we going to knock out elite lockdown corner for not stuffing runs? That's not his job.

 

Tre is great.

Edited September 28, 2020 by MJS

[HOUSE]

We could just fire everyone, I love it when we do that....

 

[Kirby Jackson]

9 hours ago, Azucho98 said:

The entire D is playing very "meh".  It almost seems like they are confident the offense will bail them out....The D-Line was nowhere today.

I think that it has become a more conservative style. They’ve always been “bend but don’t break.” With an offense that scores 35 a week the defense has evolved into a unit trying not to give up 75 yard plays and make teams drive 16 plays. It hasn’t been pretty but playing with the lead is different I guess.

[TroutDog]

Look back at the Bills D since McD has been here: each year there is a few games during the season where they collapse. It’s like clockwork. 
 

The ship will be righted. 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

5 hours ago, gordong said:

Tre'Davious White

 

yeah white is playing meh....   jfc some people need to get a grip. Can he play better, sure can the entire defense Yes...

 

Though two weeks ....
80 Coverage Snaps
4 Receptions
37 Yards
1 TD

Jalen Ramsey

89 Coverage Snaps
8 Receptions
81 Yards
0 TDs

Who's the better CB?

 

Jalen Ramsey had 1 TD against him yesterday if those #'s were prior to 3PM yesterday. 

 

I was just about to ask How many yards allowed and how many TD'd allowed 

Edited September 28, 2020 by SlimShady'sSpaceForce

[TBBills]

10 hours ago, Hebert19 said:

he's already been burned more this year than last...and his run support and tackling has been non existent.  

 

A couple times today he actually looked like he avoided contact.  

 

Thoughts?   

TBH every top CB is being burned this season...

[ehfeuh57]

who was covering Kupp? looked like no one to me

[mjt328]

I wanted to give the Defense another week before sounding the alarm bells, and see if they could find a way to right the ship.

 

Yesterday was a HUGE disappointment to me.  Their inability to stop anything (run or pass) was pathetic, and almost led to the most epic Bills collapse in the last 20 years.  Which is really saying something.  As excited as I should be about the win, I'm actually pretty depressed with how this unit is performing. 

 

There seem to be multiple reasons people believe they are struggling.  Injuries.  Personnel changes.  Lack of crowds.  Honestly, I don't care what the excuse is.  The coaching staff needs to get this fixed.  ASAP.  We were one-dimensional last year.  It forced us to scrape out every victory by the seat of our pants, and ultimately led to an early exit from the playoffs.  We started 3-0 last year too.  If we want better results in 2020, then we need to be playing well on both sides of the ball.

 

[GunnerBill]

25 minutes ago, DrDare said:

who was covering Kupp? looked like no one to me

 

We had real problems covering stack formations in the second half where they would stack Kupp and Woods at the line and then run them under and over one another. The Rams ran variants of that play 4 or 5 times with good success. Taron Johnson really struggled with it but Tre got caught a couple of times as well.

 

The Bills actually played a good game on defense first half. Yes the Rams moved it but the Bills restricted them to drives that ate clock and prevented big plays. They gave up too many 15 yard plus plays in the second half.

[Trogdor]

10 hours ago, Real McNasty said:

I'm with you and totally agree. All that we can do is look at what is different. 

 

No Lorax?

No Phillips?

No Shaq?

No Star?

No Crowd?

 

We are getting destroyed right know up the gut. Edmunds is totally hit or miss in run support. From above all I can see is the leadership in Lorax missing, Star hurt and lack of Crowd. 

 

 

 

Star is overrated. Teams were destroying us up the middle last year too. Shaq and Lorax were our best run defenders and I think the lack of a Phillips with Oliver hurts. Either way it's mostly a subpar CB2 and White being exposed that's killing us. 

[Hebert19]

1 hour ago, TBBills said:

TBH every top CB is being burned this season...

I wish it was just being burned.  Its mental mistakes too.  See kupp TD.  He just abandoned post there.  Needs to be better. 

[Motorin']

1 hour ago, Jaraxxus said:

The NFL has virtually stopped calling holding.

 

Have a look at the year over year numbers.

That's one way to increase scoring in a pass happy league.

[simpleman]

12 hours ago, vincec said:

He is struggling. The whole defense is.

They all looked extremely winded in the 2nd half today. They possibly may have all been good at working out in the gym on their own this COVID year, but they obviously need more aerobic conditioning. It falls directly on the trainers and coaches to make sure they are in top aerobic condition due to the shortened preseason and TC. They have failed to do so.

Edited September 28, 2020 by simpleman

[Jerome007]

13 hours ago, Gene1973 said:

I agree. Never thought he'd be the type of player to fall off after signing a big extension. Either that or he's playing hurt...

Indeed. 

 

Yes I have noticed that too.

[DCofNC]

He did not have a good game yesterday, bit on some run fakes etc.  The whole D was garbage yesterday, but McVay can do that to you to an extent.  They figured out the LBs wouldn’t hold assignment and just pummeled the Bills, forced CBS to come up and then faked to go behind them.  Good scheme, all set up by lack of discipline.