eball Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 Now that Todd McShay has officially "mocked" Metcalf to the Bills I can breathe a sigh of relief. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hebert19 Posted March 7, 2019 Author Share Posted March 7, 2019 I get the fear of his overall stiffness when it comes to cuts and coming out of breaks but I'm watching him that's technique more than a flaw. He is too upright even when running the shuttle. He needs to bend the knees more and he could improve this aspect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 DK Metcalf seems like a workout warrior. I wouldn’t mind taking him in the mid to late teens after a trade down. Straight up at 9 I would rather take a pass rusher where at that point in the draft there will be a top tier pass rusher there. I think at around pick 15-20 Metcalf is a risk worth taking. He has a dominant physical profile, the family acumen (His father, uncle, and grandfather were all in the NFL), along with being a good kid in general. But as good a physical freak as he is, Metcalf does have concerns about his lateral ability (His cone drills were awful), his route running, and his hands leave a lot to be desired on tape. He also has an injury history that isn’t insignificant. You need to be able use more than straight line speed and a freak physical profile to be a good WR in the NFL. But if Metcalf can polish his game more he has All-Pro potential. So my appetite for risk on Metcalf at pick 9 is not there. I think if somehow if the Bills can trade down between 15-20 and Metcalf is there at that range (Which now is unlikely but who knows if the hype calms down in the later draft process) then having extra picks and picking lower makes Metcalf a risk worth taking as you likely have an extra 2ndround pick to fill other needs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 (edited) On 3/5/2019 at 1:12 PM, papazoid said: D.K. Metcalf had a great combine ... but was slower than Tom Brady in some drills Metcalf had a 3-cone drill of 7.38 seconds and a shuttle time of 4.5 seconds. Brady ran the 3-cone drill in 7.2 seconds and the shuttle in 4.38 seconds at the 2000 combine. Was it just technique or is there something concerning about Metcalf’s short-area athleticism? https://sports.yahoo.com/dk-metcalf-had-a-great-combine-but-was-slower-than-tom-brady-in-some-drills-160122585.html Being built like a tank and running the 40 very fast is great, but neither matters if a receiver doesn’t have the quickness to get open in the NFL. This points to exactly why I think he is a David Boston clone....dude is in love with weightlifting and not football...he has gotten too big and bulky and when that happens, you lose flexibility over time...this is why he is all-world in many of the drills but when it comes to flexibility/change of direction drills he is terrible...he is a constant injury waiting to happen...dude will likely have a career shortened by injury/ 24 minutes ago, Hebert19 said: I get the fear of his overall stiffness when it comes to cuts and coming out of breaks but I'm watching him that's technique more than a flaw. He is too upright even when running the shuttle. He needs to bend the knees more and he could improve this aspect. Maybe its his technique because he has gotten too muscular and he simply CANNOT bend more because now he lacks flexibility to do it... Edited March 7, 2019 by matter2003 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SACTOBILLSFAN Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 I've got real questions about Metcalf's actual ability to produce in the NFL. Nobody with his pedestrian college stats (regardless of surrounding cast) has really done much in the NFL. I don't like any of the WRs in the first round except maybe Marquise Brown towards the backend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ol Dirty B Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 10 hours ago, billsfan89 said: DK Metcalf seems like a workout warrior. I wouldn’t mind taking him in the mid to late teens after a trade down. Straight up at 9 I would rather take a pass rusher where at that point in the draft there will be a top tier pass rusher there. I think at around pick 15-20 Metcalf is a risk worth taking. He has a dominant physical profile, the family acumen (His father, uncle, and grandfather were all in the NFL), along with being a good kid in general. But as good a physical freak as he is, Metcalf does have concerns about his lateral ability (His cone drills were awful), his route running, and his hands leave a lot to be desired on tape. He also has an injury history that isn’t insignificant. You need to be able use more than straight line speed and a freak physical profile to be a good WR in the NFL. But if Metcalf can polish his game more he has All-Pro potential. So my appetite for risk on Metcalf at pick 9 is not there. I think if somehow if the Bills can trade down between 15-20 and Metcalf is there at that range (Which now is unlikely but who knows if the hype calms down in the later draft process) then having extra picks and picking lower makes Metcalf a risk worth taking as you likely have an extra 2ndround pick to fill other needs. Why is your post font like that? It's obnoxious, he also won't be there in a trade down. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountDorkula Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 He is not going to be good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 Uh-oh. Font police. Heads up everybody. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCOrange Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 5 hours ago, SACTOBILLSFAN said: I've got real questions about Metcalf's actual ability to produce in the NFL. Nobody with his pedestrian college stats (regardless of surrounding cast) has really done much in the NFL. I don't like any of the WRs in the first round except maybe Marquise Brown towards the backend. That's not really true; his stats are actually pretty much in line with all of the good prospects that he's been compared to; it's just clouded a bit because he got hurt (which is a legitimate concern, but you and I simply won't have access to the medical reports that Buffalo will have). Probably doesn't matter ultimately though; I don't think Metcalf will be available at #9 after the AB trade fell through. Teams will know that Buffalo wants a WR so if anyone is interested, they'll know to jump in front of Buffalo. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Dude Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 Metcalf wasn't even the #1 option on his team which is concerning. There are 'issues' with DK that need to reconciled before that pick is made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rock-A-Bye Beasley Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 needs to be the pick. Don' t tell me "a lineman" is a bigger need. There are plenty of OT and G available in free agency and while DT MIGHT be a safer choice depending on who is available at 9, taking one would in my eyes be an admission that either the Star signing and/or Phillips pick were mistakes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsfanAZ Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 So how does a guy that has only had 1200 yards and about 15 TDs his whole college career rate higher than other WR's that were WAY more productive? DK wasnt even the best WR on his own team. Will Fuller was just as fast as DK and just as injury prone. He hasnt done much of anything in the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 43 minutes ago, BillsfanAZ said: So how does a guy that has only had 1200 yards and about 15 TDs his whole college career rate higher than other WR's that were WAY more productive? DK wasnt even the best WR on his own team. Will Fuller was just as fast as DK and just as injury prone. He hasnt done much of anything in the NFL. I dunno, but it scares the crap out of me. I want to believe so much that Buffalo finally has a FO smart enough to see through guys like this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 8 hours ago, DCOrange said: That's not really true; his stats are actually pretty much in line with all of the good prospects that he's been compared to; it's just clouded a bit because he got hurt (which is a legitimate concern, but you and I simply won't have access to the medical reports that Buffalo will have). Probably doesn't matter ultimately though; I don't think Metcalf will be available at #9 after the AB trade fell through. Teams will know that Buffalo wants a WR so if anyone is interested, they'll know to jump in front of Buffalo. If another teams GM didn’t know the Bills would be looking for a WR and needed the AB mess for confirmation then they should be fired. Every GM and their mother knows we need a WR from 2018 WR stats alone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FeelingOnYouboty Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 Awww man it's official. DK Metcalf is this year's Josh Allen. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 Metcalf Schmetcalf. Gimme David Sills V or N’ Keal Harry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
without a drought Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 15 hours ago, Ol Dirty B said: Why is your post font like that? It's obnoxious, he also won't be there in a trade down. I agree 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zevo Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 17 hours ago, FeelingOnYouboty said: Awww man it's official. DK Metcalf is this year's Josh Allen. Even more reason to draft him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 Just wanted to chime in and say that somehow, someway I’m not at all in on Metcalf. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 17 hours ago, FeelingOnYouboty said: Awww man it's official. DK Metcalf is this year's Josh Allen. I'm pretty sure Kentucky DL/LB Josh Allen is this year's Josh Allen 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Joshin' Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 (edited) The physical skills are there but is seems like a good candidate to be hurt with strains and pulls. Edited March 10, 2019 by Just Joshin' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iamkrgr Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 High risk high reward. Not sure he'd be my pick but id be ok with it. Sometimes you have to take risks to taste the champagne. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billieve420 Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 (edited) Metcalf scares me and I wouldn't draft him early. Lack of production and feel like he is an injury waiting to happen. I think there will be a number of WRs to choose in the 2nd. Would love to trade back some and pick up extra 2nd rounder if possible. Then grab a C and WR with both picks. Edited March 9, 2019 by billieve420 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnum Force Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 Metcalf and Isabella would make a great WR tandem at least in theory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrimeTime101 Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 I thought this topic about this WR has been drilled in already in prior topics? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 41 minutes ago, PrimeTime101 said: I thought this topic about this WR has been drilled in already in prior topics? Idk. I tried to start a wr thread that got locked assumed maybe this is the wr thread ??♂️ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
{::'KayCeeS::} Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 If you can't cut <bam>, if you can't separate <wow>, how can you be a #1 NFL WR in this league? Quickness is everything. Metcalf is not a nine pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 20 hours ago, Teddy KGB said: Metcalf Schmetcalf. Gimme David Sills V or N’ Keal Harry I really like David Sills. As a former quarterback, he understand the passing game and route combinations better than most recievers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 2 hours ago, {::'KayCeeS::} said: If you can't cut <bam>, if you can't separate <wow>, how can you be a #1 NFL WR in this league? Quickness is everything. Metcalf is not a nine pick. That's the biggest knock on Metcalf, with that slow 3 cone drill it looks like he's got sluggish feet which will kill him running the route tree. He'd be great on long "Go" routes for Josh Allen but probably not much of anything else. His name is popping up on Bills #9 picks. I honestly feel the safer pick is go for Jonah Williams or Juwaan Taylor. Then target wrs in rounds 2-3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 Ya know what happens when you take a player who is long on freak physical stature and athletic attributes but short on career production? You get Aaron Maybin. This is why we can't have nice things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 ...because he can’t cut or get open in short yardage? I’m asking for a friend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 Scott Barrett @ScottBarrettDFB · 8h Over the past two seasons, 71% of D.K. Metcalf's yards have come on just two routes (the go route or hitch). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PetermansRedemption Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said: That's the biggest knock on Metcalf, with that slow 3 cone drill it looks like he's got sluggish feet which will kill him running the route tree. He'd be great on long "Go" routes for Josh Allen but probably not much of anything else. His name is popping up on Bills #9 picks. I honestly feel the safer pick is go for Jonah Williams or Juwaan Taylor. Then target wrs in rounds 2-3. The problem is, Metcalf’s tape, albeit limited, doesn’t back up him being a “slow” WR at all. I think it’s more likely he was nervous, tight, slipping, you name it during his cone drills. His per game production is perfectly fine for a WR of his age. In fact, he was more productive than Julio Jones at his age. That being said, I’m still wary of him at 9. I won’t hate the pick, but I won’t love it either. It doesn’t have anything to do with his production moreso his injury history. I’m always super wary of guys who can’t stay healthy even in college. In addition to that, this is a deep WR class. Your going to get a good one in the 2nd, maybe even 3rd. So I will advocate not going WR at 9. Edited March 10, 2019 by Bills2ref Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said: Scott Barrett @ScottBarrettDFB · 8h Over the past two seasons, 71% of D.K. Metcalf's yards have come on just two routes (the go route or hitch). Was just about to post this. Very telling. All of the signs of high but potential are there: 1. Barely ran a route tree 2. Combine measurables and physique vastly more impressive than actual production on a football field 3. Had a serious neck injury his senior season 4. Great straight line speed, but very little suddenness or change of direction ability Note: I am NOT saying that he can't or won't become a good or great NFL player. I am simply saying that the combination of the above factors indicate that he may not live up his potential. "Combine Hero" WRs whose measurables outweigh their production are not usually my cup of tea. Edited March 10, 2019 by Logic 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWATeam Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 The limited route tree is a result of the simplistic offensive system he played in, not due to his abilities. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yav Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 1 hour ago, Logic said: Was just about to post this. Very telling. All of the signs of high but potential are there: 1. Barely ran a route tree 2. Combine measurables and physique vastly more impressive than actual production on a football field 3. Had a serious neck injury his senior season 4. Great straight line speed, but very little suddenness or change of direction ability Note: I am NOT saying that he can't or won't become a good or great NFL player. I am simply saying that the combination of the above factors indicate that he may not live up his potential. "Combine Hero" WRs whose measurables outweigh their production are not usually my cup of tea. So #3. DK is only a sophomore. Just another reason to pass. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 Why all the chatter of being an injury threat? He had all of one injury at Ole Miss and that was a neck injury. Doctor has cleared him to resume playing. In his limited tape you were able to see his deep speed and his superb catch radius. Is he boom or bust? Maybe, but if he is boom then Josh will have a go to receiver for years to come. If I were in DK's, I'd reach out to Steve Smith Sr or Eric Moulds to workout with him and teach him the nuisances of being a NFL receiver Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Senator Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 I am definitely all in on Metcalf - with one of our 4th round picks. . 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tcampbell104 Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 11 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said: That's the biggest knock on Metcalf, with that slow 3 cone drill it looks like he's got sluggish feet which will kill him running the route tree. He'd be great on long "Go" routes for Josh Allen but probably not much of anything else. His name is popping up on Bills #9 picks. I honestly feel the safer pick is go for Jonah Williams or Juwaan Taylor. Then target wrs in rounds 2-3. you can play it safe and be good or take chances and be great Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tcali Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 On 3/3/2019 at 9:06 AM, JustWinPlease said: I'm all in...he would make a perfect match with Josh Allen. He has the speed for Allen's arm, and he has the catch radius for Allen's arm. I would take DK Metcalf in the 1st round, and then trade into the end of the 1st round for Noah Fant. (Get veteran OL in free agency.) 'the catch radius'...that is very good...in other words he can catch allen's inaccurate throws Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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