StHustle Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 Because you can beat them without stopping Kelce. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FilthyBeast Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 Going to be the best TE in NFL history when all is said and done. Was good before Mahomes and obviously on another level with him throwing the ball his way. I think teams will adjust as the season goes on and more tape is out there but even if you try and take Kelce out of the game someone else is just going to go off when you have the best QB in the NFL throwing the ball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PonyBoy Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 33 minutes ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said: There is actually a pretty easy and proven way to slow him down. You get a defensive end to line up wide and jam him hard at the line— don’t let him free release. A few teams have done this with him (saints come to mind) and it was shown to be very effective. I don’t know know why more teams don’t do this— I am assuming there is a significant downside (maybe taking away one of your pass rushers basically). Paging Epenesa is what you're saying??!! Athletic, same size, I like it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 29 minutes ago, NoHuddleKelly12 said: I may have found a way! got Tanya Hardings friend’s number? Galuley or something like 😝 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dablitzkrieg Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Firebaugh Kid Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 Is rebus one of those cool internet acronyms that geeks use while gaming? If so, I've lost interest already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 53 minutes ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said: There is actually a pretty easy and proven way to slow him down. You get a defensive end to line up wide and jam him hard at the line— don’t let him free release. A few teams have done this with him (saints come to mind) and it was shown to be very effective. I don’t know know why more teams don’t do this— I am assuming there is a significant downside (maybe taking away one of your pass rushers basically). This... the best way is to not let him get a free release and disrupt the timing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WotAGuy Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 Please change the title to say “redux”. It’s really, really, really bothering me. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 1 hour ago, Big Turk said: He has 6 1000 yard seasons in a row(and likely counting). No other TE in NFL history even has 4 total. Don't you think if it was possible to stop him they would have figured it out? The short answer is because he is too fast and athletic for a LB or most safeties to cover and too big for CBs to cover. I suspect corners can cover him but more importantly they have had too many deep threats to sit a top corner on him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 Same reason Justin Jefferson is open every week, or Mike Evans catches a touchdown almost every game, same reason Josh Allen is hard to stop, there’s a reason players get to elite status, and that’s because they can’t be stopped most weeks. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All I Need is Hope Posted September 13, 2022 Share Posted September 13, 2022 3 hours ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said: So why did Kuup win the triple crown last year? Why don't head coaches, def coordinators, defensive players can’t have a plan to limit his yardage?? Help me understand that one? Better yet why don't you just start a thread like this: Why don't head coaches, def coordinators, defensive players can’t have a plan to limit ________________ yardage Then just fill in the blank. I thought it was a good/sincere question by tho OP. Why the need to be a smart ass? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted September 13, 2022 Share Posted September 13, 2022 Thought we good good job limiting him in the first meeting last year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
without a drought Posted September 13, 2022 Share Posted September 13, 2022 Let's recab what we've learned so far. You can't recob the corn once it's off the cob, but you can recon someone out of their teddy bear with a recub, if you do It twice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted September 13, 2022 Share Posted September 13, 2022 I'm just guessing, but I think it's because he is really good. Again, just a guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Draconator Posted September 13, 2022 Share Posted September 13, 2022 https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0867015/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted September 13, 2022 Share Posted September 13, 2022 Rebus=the duck's eyes? help us out.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted September 13, 2022 Share Posted September 13, 2022 4 hours ago, NoSaint said: I suspect corners can cover him but more importantly they have had too many deep threats to sit a top corner on him Tre has gotten burnt on him a few times so I would assume lesser CBs would have a lot of issues Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
947 Posted September 13, 2022 Share Posted September 13, 2022 I think part of it is that teams try to defend him like a Tight End, which he isn't. Kelce lines up in the slot the majority of the time, he's not an in-line TE very often. If you put a LB on him, like you normally would a TE, he's too quick & gets open. If you put your Slot CB on him, like you normally would a Slot WR (and most slot CBs are undersized), he's too big & physical. The other part is he constantly gets a free release since he's in the slot. He's deadly if allowed to roam free. Solution: Put your best cover CB on him, and you can slow him down. Bump him at the line with a LB too, and now you're cooking with gas. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Sack Posted September 13, 2022 Share Posted September 13, 2022 Great players like Kupp & Kelce will get yards. The key is not letting them score TDs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sierra Foothills Posted September 13, 2022 Share Posted September 13, 2022 6 hours ago, BullBuchanan said: Why didn't we just stop Tom Brady for 20 years? It was incredibly obvious he was the key to the Pats dynasty, and yet our coaches didn't do anything about it. All six of those Chicago Bulls Championships were totally avoidable. Why didn't those stupid teams just guard Michael Jordan??? DUH!!! 5 hours ago, StHustle said: Because you can beat them without stopping Kelce. 26 minutes ago, 947 said: Solution: Put your best cover CB on him, and you can slow him down. Bump him at the line with a LB too, and now you're cooking with gas. Maybe put a big strong cornerback on him... someone like Christian Benford maybe? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted September 13, 2022 Share Posted September 13, 2022 The Bills game plan against KC in the regular season in 2021 (and a lot of other teams had some defensive success doing this in 2021) was to play two high safeties to take away Hill and the deep ball and then jam Kelce at the line and beat him up with double teams and basically let the other KC players beat you. It worked because Kelce would get beat up and worn down as the game went on and the soft high zone would limit the big plays from Hill and the rest of the WR corps were pretty pedestrian so taking chances in zone single coverage against pedestrian receivers and a weak running game was doable. This year KC doesn't have Hill which is a huge loss but they are a bit more balanced on offense in terms of their secondary weapons (although Lazard, Juju and Sky Moore aren't really that impressive but not tragic). However, I think the key is to just jam and double Kelce and beat him up. Let him get his in the first half but make him pay for it and work for it and wear him down. Then play your standard zone defense and drop 5 against the rest of KC's receiving corp. The Bills are better equipped to go up against KC's very good O-line and get pressure with the front 4 and hold the point of attack against the run. But Hill not being there will hopefully make KC's offense less dynamic and easier to game plan against. Right now the early returns in the AFC week 1 are that the Bills and KC are headed for another playoff matchup with Baltimore and the Chargers being the tough outs. Still plenty ways to go as I am not ruling out Cincy and several other AFC teams that got off to a slow start week one. But right now it's hard not to see KC and Buffalo as destined to meet up again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted September 13, 2022 Share Posted September 13, 2022 (edited) 9 hours ago, Italian Bills said: Everybody knows that stopping TK is the key in order to beat KC…. so why nobody knows how stop/limit him ? How is that head coaches, def coordinators, defensive players can’t have a plan to limit his yardage at 60/70 and not let him get almost every week over 100 yards ? I really don’t get it, please help me to understand. Kelce had 6 games last year of 34 yards or less. The Chiefs won 4 of the 5 games. He also had four games over 100 yards. Not "every week." Four games. The Chiefs lost two of those four games. So no, it's not the key to stopping them. It sure wouldn't hurt, but it's just not that simple. Edited September 13, 2022 by Thurman#1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted September 13, 2022 Share Posted September 13, 2022 11 hours ago, Italian Bills said: Everybody knows that stopping TK is the key in order to beat KC…. so why nobody knows how stop/limit him ? How is that head coaches, def coordinators, defensive players can’t have a plan to limit his yardage at 60/70 and not let him get almost every week over 100 yards ? I really don’t get it, please help me to understand. Mahomes...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zerovoltz Posted September 13, 2022 Share Posted September 13, 2022 Worth noting Kelce was injured his entire rookie year and didn't play. His next 4 seasons were all with Alex Smith at QB. He put up 852, 857, and then a couple of 1000+ yard season all with Smith to start his career. In 2014 (Kelce's first season playing) he led the team in catches and TD catches. In that season KC had ZERO TD catches by a WR. It's not like there were any other scary targets to take the pressue off Kecle....with noodle arm Alex Smith throwing to him. Ini 2015, Kelce was second on the team in receptoins and TD catches behind end of career Jeremy Maclin. KC's WR only totalled 11 TD catches. Again, not exactly a bunch of talent around him for other teams to have to worry with. In 2016, Kelce once again led the team in receptions and TD catches...it was his first of his continuing streek of 1000 yard seasons. This was Hills rookie seaosn, but Hill only started 1 game. Smith still at QB. In 2017, once again with Smith at QB Kelce led the team in recections and TD catches once again, and had his 2nd consecutive 1000+ yard recieving season. 2018 Mahomes came along. Sometimes guys are really good at football and it's hard to stop them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All_Pro_Bills Posted September 13, 2022 Share Posted September 13, 2022 When the Bills drafted Edmunds and he was advertised as a sideline-to-sideline LB with elite physical size and abilities I had a crazy idea the team would use him occasionally to match-up with those big and athletic TE's the defense never could never handle. At the time Gronkowski presented the biggest headache. And now its Kelce. But I was wrong. But my thought was get physical with Kelce by never giving him a free release from the LOS by putting Edmunds over him and cover him over the short and intermediate routes. At a minimum this might disrupt the timing between Mahomes and his star TE and cause the QB to throw to other options. Sub in another LB for the nickel CB with Edmunds more or less playing that nickel but covering the TE. Will it work? I can't say. Maybe not, but so far what they're doing hasn't worked well either and why not experiment on a couple plays? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niagara Dude Posted September 13, 2022 Share Posted September 13, 2022 12 hours ago, Italian Bills said: Everybody knows that stopping TK is the key in order to beat KC…. so why nobody knows how stop/limit him ? How is that head coaches, def coordinators, defensive players can’t have a plan to limit his yardage at 60/70 and not let him get almost every week over 100 yards ? I really don’t get it, please help me to understand. The reality is the Cardinals were not a huge defensive test, I think this season good defensive teams will shut him down and force others to beat them. First off you cannot allow him a free release off the line and you need two guys on him. In years past if you committed two guys to Kelce you had to worry about Hill , yes KC still has some fast players but no one at the same level as Hill. I could see the Bills having either Edmunds or Milano on him at the line with Poyer or Hyde as second guy over top. To me if Edmonds thinks he deserves a big extension then he needs to show he can cover Kelce who is now 32 years old. I know Milano is the better cover guy but Edmunds has the length and size. End of the day I am not as worried about Kelce with Hill no longer in KC because those two complimented each other. There is also good evidence from their loss to the Bengals in ACF title game that rushing only 3 can be effective in obvious passing downs. KC did pretty much what they wanted against the Cardinals and I don't see it going as easy for Kelce or the Chiefs this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted September 13, 2022 Share Posted September 13, 2022 Thread title should rightfully have been: REE 🚌 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted September 13, 2022 Share Posted September 13, 2022 15 hours ago, Augie said: Are you saying we should “give him the business” out there? This did not help….. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rebus . Actually it did help. It’s kind of like the “Kelce Puzzle” or “Kelce Conundrum.” I learned a new word. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted September 13, 2022 Share Posted September 13, 2022 Some other rebus items. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted September 13, 2022 Share Posted September 13, 2022 18 hours ago, Big Turk said: Tre has gotten burnt on him a few times so I would assume lesser CBs would have a lot of issues the stats on corners vs others covering tight ends bear out my point pretty consistently. Great players will still make some plays but a guy with great coverage skills tend to fair much better than simply a larger body that is just ok in coverage. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigAl2526 Posted September 14, 2022 Share Posted September 14, 2022 (edited) Opponents facing the Bills have something of the same dilemma of how many forces do you commit to containing Kelce. Too much attention means other targets are too open. Too little and Kelce kills you. With Buffalo, it's not a tight end. It's Stephon Diggs. Commit too much attention to him from safeties and Gabe Davis can kill you, or McKenzie, or Knox, or Allen's running. It's as much Mahomes' (and Allen's ability to make good reads and go to the right receiver or running play) as it is Kelce's elite ability. If you don't pay enough attention to Diggs, then he'll run up ten catches and more, and well over 100 yards in receptions. When working to its potential, Buffalo's offense is every bit as explosive and unstoppable as Mahomes, Kelce and company. Edited September 14, 2022 by BigAl2526 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fleezoid Posted September 14, 2022 Share Posted September 14, 2022 On 9/12/2022 at 6:22 PM, Beach said: what is "rebus"? I think the thread title is supposed to be "Kelly Ripa." It comes out wrong when you pronounce it with a mouthful of Milk Duds. Looks like a translation thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted September 15, 2022 Share Posted September 15, 2022 5 hours ago, Fleezoid said: I think the thread title is supposed to be "Kelly Ripa." It comes out wrong when you pronounce it with a mouthful of Milk Duds. Looks like a translation thing. I thought it was meant for Norman reedus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted September 15, 2022 Share Posted September 15, 2022 On 9/13/2022 at 12:59 AM, billsfan89 said: This year KC doesn't have Hill which is a huge loss but they are a bit more balanced on offense in terms of their secondary weapons (although Lazard, Juju and Sky Moore aren't really that impressive but not tragic). juju, hardman, Valdez scantling, and sky…. You skipped their number 2 and sent the wrong packer to them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted September 15, 2022 Share Posted September 15, 2022 I wanna see somebody lay a good hit on Kelce and see how he reacts to it. I never seen him get hit hard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted September 15, 2022 Share Posted September 15, 2022 23 hours ago, BigAl2526 said: Opponents facing the Bills have something of the same dilemma of how many forces do you commit to containing Kelce. Too much attention means other targets are too open. Too little and Kelce kills you. With Buffalo, it's not a tight end. It's Stephon Diggs. Commit too much attention to him from safeties and Gabe Davis can kill you, or McKenzie, or Knox, or Allen's running. It's as much Mahomes' (and Allen's ability to make good reads and go to the right receiver or running play) as it is Kelce's elite ability. If you don't pay enough attention to Diggs, then he'll run up ten catches and more, and well over 100 yards in receptions. When working to its potential, Buffalo's offense is every bit as explosive and unstoppable as Mahomes, Kelce and company. You mean the Diggs Rebus? It sounds so much more philosophical if you put it that way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted September 15, 2022 Share Posted September 15, 2022 On 9/13/2022 at 6:30 PM, NoSaint said: the stats on corners vs others covering tight ends bear out my point pretty consistently. Great players will still make some plays but a guy with great coverage skills tend to fair much better than simply a larger body that is just ok in coverage. The first time I remember the Bills using a CB on a TE was when Wade put the very undersized Antoine Winfield on Tony Gonzalez........and shut him down. Jimmy Graham basically went from "how do you stop this guy" to brought to a full stop by this tactic when he got sent to WR-weak Seattle. A good CB can shut down a TE easier than he can a top WR. This is why TE's don't get paid like receivers..........they are the icing on the cake in the passing game. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFunPolice Posted September 15, 2022 Share Posted September 15, 2022 It's simple. Throw a Bucs helmet on and he'll suddenly drop wide open passes, miss blocks and fumble at least once. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted September 15, 2022 Share Posted September 15, 2022 16 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said: I wanna see somebody lay a good hit on Kelce and see how he reacts to it. I never seen him get hit hard YouTube is my pal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy1 Posted September 15, 2022 Share Posted September 15, 2022 I’m curious to see if Bernard is part of the strategy to control Kelce. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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