Internet Rumors of Zack Moss trade availability from an unverified Twitter account

[No_Matter_What]

45 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

Well since there are no leaks from our FO this tweet actually makes me believe he might be traded

[StHustle]

1 minute ago, No_Matter_What said:

Well since there are no leaks from our FO this tweet actually makes me believe he might be traded

Them setting the record straight and letting people know a player isn’t on the block would not be considered a leak. Leaks are about current or future plans not inaction. 

[BullBuchanan]

2 minutes ago, Kwai San said:

 

WOW dude.....OK who is your preferred RB group?  What team do u root for?  Aside from when The Thurminator was running the rock this is about as good as it gets for the Bills....IMHO.  ya sure Henry would be great....but they ain't getting that anytime soon.....elaborate please?

Settle down, chief. Like I said, I'd prefer we had more players with special skills. Singletary and Moss are both middling JAGs that don't do anything special. We have strong depth but it's a depth of mediocre talent pending Cook. There's at least 10 RB rooms I'd prefer - maybe more.

 

[Logic]

IF the Bills have four true running backs active this year (they haven't the past few years, but there's reason to believe this might change under a new OC), then the plan seems clear:

Singletary - early down and between the 20s back. Essentially the "starter"
Moss - Red Zone and short yardage back
Cook - Pass-catching and change of pace back
Jones - special teams only

 

Granted, if the Bills continue to activate only three backs on gamedays, then this doesn't work. If they decide to change that, though...all signs from OTAs, camp, and preseason games point to the above plan.

Further, Moss is great depth in the event that Singletary gets hurt. He's also the best pass blocking running back on the team. Lastly, Moss represents insurance for 2023 in the event that Singletary doesn't re-sign. He'd become the starter in 2023, or at least the co-starter with Cook.

Edited August 29, 2022 by Logic

[Kwai San]

1 minute ago, BullBuchanan said:

Settle down, chief. Like I said, I'd prefer we had more players with special skills. Singletary and Moss are both middling JAGs that don't do anything special. We have strong depth but it's a depth of mediocre talent pending Cook. There's at least 10 RB rooms I'd prefer - maybe more.

 

Always like to be called Chief!!!  Many thanks......no worries dude not coming atcha with knives just wondering who these 10+ groups it is you prefer?  Cook IMHO is really gonna push this group....once he sees the field for reals....he gonna light it up.  Leastways I hope so! 🙏

[Jay_Fixit]

I’d be happy to see him go.

[fergie's ire]

7 minutes ago, Logic said:

IF the Bills have four true running backs active this year (they haven't the past few years, but there's reason to believe this might change under a new OC), then the plan seems clear:

Singletary - early down and between the 20s back. Essentially the "starter"
Moss - Red Zone and short yardage back
Cook - Pass-catching and change of pace back
Jones - special teams only

 

Granted, if the Bills continue to activate only three backs on gamedays, then this doesn't work. If they decide to change that, though...all signs from OTAs, camp, and preseason games point to the above plan.

Further, Moss is great depth in the event that Singletary gets hurt. He's also the best pass blocking running back on the team. Lastly, Moss represents insurance for 2023 in the event that Singletary doesn't re-sign. He'd become the starter in 2023, or at least the co-starter with Cook.

You forgot about Blakshear.

 

[msw2112]

I'm fine either way.  If they keep him, he's a solid backup RB, he is a good pass blocker, and he has some power for short yardage situations.  He's on the small side for a power back, but he's probably the best the Bills have in that role.  On the other hand, if they can get something of value for him that fills another need for the team, their are other quality RBs in the stable (Cook, Johnson, Blackshear) that can handle carries.  His value as a pass blocker may not be as great this year, as the Bills may want Cook on the field as a checkdown and/or to create the threat of a screen to keep defenses honest.  I trust the coaching staff and front office to make these decisions.

Edited August 29, 2022 by msw2112

[SirAndrew]

I’d make that trade in an instant if someone is willing to give up a draft pick. Keep Blackshear, Moss is a dime a dozen back with no game breaking ability. He seems like a player who works hard, but he’s nothing special. I like the potential of a future draft pick better. 

[ColoradoBills]

9 minutes ago, Logic said:

IF the Bills have four true running backs active this year (they haven't the past few years, but there's reason to believe this might change under a new OC), then the plan seems clear:

Singletary - early down and between the 20s back. Essentially the "starter"
Moss - Red Zone and short yardage back
Cook - Pass-catching and change of pace back
Jones - special teams only

 

Granted, if the Bills continue to activate only three backs on gamedays, then this doesn't work. If they decide to change that, though...all signs from OTAs, camp, and preseason games point to the above plan.

Further, Moss is great depth in the event that Singletary gets hurt. He's also the best pass blocking running back on the team. Lastly, Moss represents insurance for 2023 in the event that Singletary doesn't re-sign. He'd become the starter in 2023, or at least the co-starter with Cook.

 

Agree with this.  If the Bills follow their past history and only dress 2RBs, Jones and Gilliam then Zack Moss becomes a lot more expendable.

Even if it happens, I think Moss stays but an argument for a trade can be made.

They have needed to do this because of all the other ST players dressing.

 

If they plan on all 5 dressing and have another plan for ST then Moss for sure stays.

[TheyCallMeAndy]

3 minutes ago, SirAndrew said:

I’d make that trade in an instant if someone is willing to give up a draft pick. Keep Blackshear, Moss is a dime a dozen back with no game breaking ability. He seems like a player who works hard, but he’s nothing special. I like the potential of a future draft pick better. 

One is and one isn’t? Lmfao

[without a drought]

A zero percent chance, I find that hard to believe. We're not talking about Josh Allen. What offers would they turn down?

 

Moss is decent when healthy, but he is more of an all around back than the power, short yardage back he is always advertised as.

He has never filled that role with any consistency, otherwise Allen wouldn't have to fill that role.

 

I don't expect them to deal him for a 6th or 7th with their eyes on a championship, but anything more and I could see it happening.

[HardyBoy]

3 hours ago, ddaryl said:

I will say I thought Duke Johnson looked real good against the Pathers when no other Bills RB playing in the game did

He appears to have good vision 

 

that being said, I'm not convinced the Bils are looking to trade Moss, but it could happen.

 

Not just his vision, his explosiveness out of his cuts looked different than anyone else on the field (I was there).

 

Like his acceleration and decisiveness (which I guess is a part of vision) kind of shocked me on one or two of his runs. Duke Johnson honestly looked amazing against the Panthers, though maybe that's because there wasn't much to look at, but I thought overall the Bills ran the ball nicely, outside of some key short yardage plays where you've got not even practice squad lineman going up against panthers backups, so what would you expect.

[wakingfane]

2 hours ago, Beast said:

 

I'll tel you what I do see with Blackshear. Decisiveness and makes defenders miss.

How many times have we fallen in love with the amazing RB4 in the preseason only to see them cut? I'm definitely counting on two hands since 2008 or so.

[BullBuchanan]

1 minute ago, Kwai San said:

Always like to be called Chief!!!  Many thanks......no worries dude not coming atcha with knives just wondering who these 10+ groups it is you prefer?  Cook IMHO is really gonna push this group....once he sees the field for reals....he gonna light it up.  Leastways I hope so! 🙏

Any team with a top end #1, and any with better platoons so that would be Indy, Tenn, Car, Minn, LAC, Dal, Cle, AZ, Bal. The 10th spot is where I could argue for the Bills. Both Pitt and Cinci have a great No. 1, but zero depth. Den is very comparable to us as of now. 

[UKBillFan]

5 minutes ago, wakingfane said:

How many times have we fallen in love with the amazing RB4 in the preseason only to see them cut? I'm definitely counting on two hands since 2008 or so.

I’m expecting Blackshear to go. I’m really hoping we can hold on to Johnson.

[ColoradoBills]

6 minutes ago, wakingfane said:

How many times have we fallen in love with the amazing RB4 in the preseason only to see them cut? I'm definitely counting on two hands since 2008 or so.

 

True.  I will say Blackshear has some skills and I really hope he can hang on the PS and develop.

Next year the Bills will only have Moss and Cook come March and having Blackshear signing a futures contract would be nice.

[Motor26]

30 minutes ago, Logic said:

IF the Bills have four true running backs active this year (they haven't the past few years, but there's reason to believe this might change under a new OC), then the plan seems clear:

Singletary - early down and between the 20s back. Essentially the "starter"
Moss - Red Zone and short yardage back
Cook - Pass-catching and change of pace back
Jones - special teams only

 

Granted, if the Bills continue to activate only three backs on gamedays, then this doesn't work. If they decide to change that, though...all signs from OTAs, camp, and preseason games point to the above plan.

Further, Moss is great depth in the event that Singletary gets hurt. He's also the best pass blocking running back on the team. Lastly, Moss represents insurance for 2023 in the event that Singletary doesn't re-sign. He'd become the starter in 2023, or at least the co-starter with Cook.

 

Cook will be the starting RB for the Bills by week 6, I think he ends up being very good. 

[SirAndrew]

14 minutes ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:

One is and one isn’t? Lmfao

They both are, but that’s my point, why not trade Moss if someone was actually willing to give up a pick for him. 

14 minutes ago, without a drought said:

A zero percent chance, I find that hard to believe. We're not talking about Josh Allen. What offers would they turn down?

 

Moss is decent when healthy, but he is more of an all around back than the power, short yardage back he is always advertised as.

He has never filled that role with any consistency, otherwise Allen wouldn't have to fill that role.

 

I don't expect them to deal him for a 6th or 7th with their eyes on a championship, but anything more and I could see it happening.

Good take, it makes sense to keep your guys while making a title run, but how could you turn down a fifth rounder or better for Moss. 

[716er]

Singletary has shown in actual regular season games he is the better goal line back that Moss is. I really don’t want to see them trotting out Moss this year in those situations.

 

With that said, though, I don’t think Moss is a bad player. It’s just that Devin is simply better in all facets of the game. Hopefully Moss improves this year (and Cook plays well). It would be nice to not have to worry about a Singletary contract in the off season and roll with Moss and Cook next year. 
 

While we have Devin, though, ride that horse to the promise land and let him get paid by someone else this off-season.

[NoSaint]

4 hours ago, Draconator said:

From an unverified Twitter account. 

I'm just the messenger, Ma'am. 

 

 

A random guy hearing rumors of potential. 
 

awesome thread. Good work.

[17islongenough]

I don't get the trade Moss crowd.  He's on a rookie contract and knows the offense.   I highly doubt they sign Singletary after the season.   So the RBs next year will be Cook, Moss and Blackshear. No need a draft another RB next year.  There would be if they traded Moss. 

[skibum]

Would he fetch a starting punter in trade?

[Perk71]

1 hour ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:

One is and one isn’t? Lmfao

Blackshear is gonna do big things in the NFL 🤙🏼 Save this post for future reference.  I called Josh Allen, now I'm calling Blackshear over Moss...

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

 Not for nothing but 

 

when was the last time something leaked from OBD?

 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

30 minutes ago, 17islongenough said:

I don't get the trade Moss crowd.  He's on a rookie contract and knows the offense.   I highly doubt they sign Singletary after the season.   So the RBs next year will be Cook, Moss and Blackshear. No need a draft another RB next year.  There would be if they traded Moss. 

Moss is not good. 

[DCbillsfan]

If the Bills just dress 2 RBs on game day plus Taiwan Jones like they've been doing, I could see Beane trading Moss.

[Captain Caveman]

25 minutes ago, skibum said:

Would he fetch a starting punter in trade?

2 starting punters were released today, so we really don’t need to do that. 

[BillsShredder83]

4 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Moss to Washington maybe?

after that whole situation with the FA who never was, beane aint dealing with them, and def isnt helping their RB room

[Brandon]

41 minutes ago, 17islongenough said:

I don't get the trade Moss crowd.  He's on a rookie contract and knows the offense.   I highly doubt they sign Singletary after the season.   So the RBs next year will be Cook, Moss and Blackshear. No need a draft another RB next year.  There would be if they traded Moss. 

 

For my part,  it's mainly because I think both Zack Moss and Duke Johnson are worth keeping as the #3 RB,  so if the Bills can get something out of one of them rather than cutting them for nothing,  they may as well try.  Moss is probably the only one of the two with any trade value.  

[SCBills]

If the Bills can get back a 4th or 5th for Moss… I get it.

 

If the plan is to use Singletary as the feature back, with Cook as the change of pace back, I’m not sure where Moss fits in.  Singletary can get short yardage.. he’s not a small back.  
 

We need to be loading up on picks wherever we can given Allen’s contract. 

[BuffaloTX]

Goodbye Moss!

[Rochesterfan]

1 hour ago, BullBuchanan said:

Any team with a top end #1, and any with better platoons so that would be Indy, Tenn, Car, Minn, LAC, Dal, Cle, AZ, Bal. The 10th spot is where I could argue for the Bills. Both Pitt and Cinci have a great No. 1, but zero depth. Den is very comparable to us as of now. 

 

I would agree with Tenn, Cleveland, and Indy with 1 top end back they will ride.

 

I can believe there is hope with Carolina, Baltimore, Minnesota,  and maybe Dallas with multi-injured guys that were great or a RB room on a running team.

 

I struggle greatly with AZ with James Conner as a #1 being any better than the Bills Room.  Same with the Chargers with Austin Ekeler and then a 4th round rookie.

 

Even then I would not change the room for a lateral move or even for many of these elite backs because they would take away from Josh.  How effective is Henry getting 9-12 carries a game - is he elite in that role?  
 

I am just fine with the running back room we have built of guys that can handle the limited snaps and perform when asked.

 

 

[Sierra Foothills]

3 hours ago, london_bills said:

Dont think beane would deal with wash again after mckissick.

 

Beane doesn't strike me as a small-minded, petty, vindictive type. I think it's more likely that he uses that fiasco to his advantage and allows WFT to "make amends" on a later transaction... allow them to save face and feel better about what happened. Beane strikes me as a strategic long game decision maker.

 

2 hours ago, Logic said:

IF the Bills have four true running backs active this year (they haven't the past few years, but there's reason to believe this might change under a new OC), then the plan seems clear:

Singletary - early down and between the 20s back. Essentially the "starter"
Moss - Red Zone and short yardage back
Cook - Pass-catching and change of pace back
Jones - special teams only

 

Granted, if the Bills continue to activate only three backs on gamedays, then this doesn't work. If they decide to change that, though...all signs from OTAs, camp, and preseason games point to the above plan.

 

And the reason they might have 3 backs + Taiwan active on game days this year is because they have a new OC.

 

1 hour ago, SirAndrew said:

Good take, it makes sense to keep your guys while making a title run, but how could you turn down a fifth rounder or better for Moss. 

 

Besides the Bills demonstrated reluctance to move on prematurely from their draft picks, Moss was a 3rd rounder.

 

A really doubt that a 5th rounder for Moss would be attractive to McBeane.

 

 

[BullBuchanan]

19 minutes ago, Rochesterfan said:

 

I would agree with Tenn, Cleveland, and Indy with 1 top end back they will ride.

 

I can believe there is hope with Carolina, Baltimore, Minnesota,  and maybe Dallas with multi-injured guys that were great or a RB room on a running team.

 

I struggle greatly with AZ with James Conner as a #1 being any better than the Bills Room.  Same with the Chargers with Austin Ekeler and then a 4th round rookie.

 

Even then I would not change the room for a lateral move or even for many of these elite backs because they would take away from Josh.  How effective is Henry getting 9-12 carries a game - is he elite in that role?  
 

I am just fine with the running back room we have built of guys that can handle the limited snaps and perform when asked.

 

 

Both Ekeler and Connor are top 5 backs alone. Spiller for the chargers is coming out of college with a lot of praise. In AZ, Williams was a big contributor last year for the Chiefs both on the ground and through the air. Ingram is also a highly touted rookie. Of the RB squads I listed, I think they're one of the stronger groups. Conner > Singletary, Williams > Moss, Ingram v Cook is unknown with Cook having the edge as a pass catcher.

My original point wasn't that we needed to be better than these teams, just that if we were going to move moss, I'd prefer that we do so in an effort to upgrade top end talent instead of just more depth. I don't think any of that is happening though. I expect Singletary to not be re-signed, and Moss and Cook to split duties with a rookie or otherwise cheap player filling in 3rd string depth.

Edited August 30, 2022 by BullBuchanan

[Ralonzo]

5 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Moss to Washington maybe?

 

I think Rivera shot himself in the foot on that front.

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

I’d be all good with moving on from Moss. Definitely can’t see a team giving anything up for him but I’m good with 26/28/35. All 3 guys are better then Moss IMO

[Rochesterfan]

10 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

Both Ekeler and Connor are top 5 backs alone. Spiller for the chargers is coming out of college with a lot of praise. In AZ, Williams was a big contributor last year for the Chiefs both on the ground and through the air. Ingram is also a highly touted rookie. Of the RB squads I listed, I think they're one of the stronger groups. Conner > Singletary, Williams > Moss, Ingram v Cook is unknown with Cook having the edge as a pass catcher.

My original point wasn't that we needed to be better than these teams, just that if we were going to move moss, I'd prefer that we do so in an effort to upgrade top end talent instead of just more depth. I don't think any of that is happening though. I expect Singletary to not be re-signed, and Moss and Cook to split duties with a rookie or otherwise cheap player filling in 3rd string depth.

 

I have no issue moving on from Moss for a pick, but I do not want or need top end RB talent on this roster.  The RBs get 10 - 15 touches a game and that is fine.  
 

Singletary for those touches averages a healthy near 5 yards a carry.  That is exactly what I want from that role.

 

Now you have Cook to swing out and get you yards after catch and that is fine.

 

Moss is exactly what he has been a depth/role player that can give you a few carries especially if someone gets dinged up, but more importantly can come in and help pass block as needed and slide out for a few catches.  He is easily replaceable with a ton of other guys, but unless you are getting something useful back that is a crucial role that is not filled by Johnson or Blackshear and Cook struggled in pass pro as you would expect.

 

 

 

 

[Malazan]

ahh, fans..

 

We have depth.. like enough to get through an injury with a pretty decent replacement.. 

 

Bills fans:  a 6th round pick though.. 

Edited August 30, 2022 by Malazan

[Rc2catch]

1 minute ago, Malazan said:

ahh, fans..

 

We have depth.. like enough to get through an injury with a pretty decent replacement.. 

 

Bills fans:  a 6th round pick though.. 

went from we have no talent and need as many draft picks as we can get, to now Allen’s contract is too big we need as many picks as we can get. 
Then week 5 when there’s an injury or god forbid two injuries in the same game and they only have Gilliam and Taiwan… EXPLOSION