OT: Belichick says that Mac's improvement is "dramatic"

[Thurman#1]

On 7/27/2022 at 2:19 AM, syhuang said:

Three years ago: Jarrett Stidham turning heads at Patriots camp

Bill Belichick said Tuesday, per Callahan, that early practices are usually the hardest because the team's playbook is constantly rotating and expanding. But Stidham isn't shrinking. He's thriving.

 

 

Sure, there'll be examples both ways.

[Beck Water]

49 minutes ago, TBBills said:

Matt Patricia is this years, last years coach is with McDaniels now and he is Carmen Bricillo.

 

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say, perhaps Matt Patricia coaching OL is not a great decision.  Near as I can tell, his OL coaching experience consists of 1 year as Coach Scar's assistant back in 2005.  His assistant OL coach Billy Yates played OL for the Pats during Belichek's initial success and is coming to the Pats from the Detroit Lions, whose OL, um, had Stafford very grateful to play for the Rams.

 

Now that's not Yates fault - you can only coach the players you have - but I guess it must be 4 dimensional Chess as far as putting together a stout OL for Mac?  (not that it would bother me if they don't manage)

Edited August 9, 2022 by Beck Water

[Thurman#1]

2 hours ago, Beast said:

 

Yeah, he is a fraud. He is just another head coach. In fact, a below average head coach without the best QB that ever lived as his signal caller.

 

 

No, he's a terrific head coach. 

 

But yeah, having a terrific QB and roster is more important to winning than having a terrific coach.

[Beck Water]

5 minutes ago, The Wiz said:

BB says he looks great and then all the sudden the media is all over Mac and saying he looks meh.

 

Sounds like BB is playing his games again. 

 

It's more 4 dimensional chess.  Send some bad reports out of training camp, Lull the rest of the division and the NFL into thinking the Pats are EZ pickin's and then BLAMMO!  Scream and Leap!

[Warcodered]

 

[The Wiz]

1 minute ago, Beck Water said:

 

It's more 4 dimensional chess.  Send some bad reports out of training camp, Lull the rest of the division and the NFL into thinking the Pats are EZ pickin's and then BLAMMO!  Scream and Leap!

He's been lulling everyone with his press conferences for the last 2 decades. 

 

I really wonder if pats fans listen to his pressers or not.  I think watching golf has more energy to it. 

[K-9]

3 hours ago, ColoradoBills said:

I'm not buying into NE*'s D being great.  They lost in the FA market this year.  Draft picks will be critical.

Take out the JAX game and the last 3 regular season games against the Bills, Colts and Dolphins they gave up

31 points a game.

 

We all seen how their D played in the playoffs.

We also saw it when we played them in NE*** the second time we faced them last season. They couldn’t force a punt in that game, either. The Pats*** need a bad weather equalizer to take the ball out of Josh’s hands like the home games here in 2020 and 2021. Because we’ve absolutely dominated their defense in each game since Brady left.

 

It’s a shame we had those gale force winds in Buffalo last season, otherwise McD would have been the first HC to beat Belichick three consecutive times. As it is, I like our chances to do that when we meet them this season. 

[Scott7975]

10 hours ago, Beck Water said:

 

That's actually fascinating.  I'd like to read the whole thing - where is it from?

 

That actually was the whole thing.  I lost the link though.  Could have been a much better story I think, but it was too short IMO.

10 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

 

This is just 4D chess by Belichick.  He has told his line to purposely play bad so Mac&Cheese gets use to pressure.

[DasNootz]

13 hours ago, Beck Water said:

 

Please allow me to introduce myself, I'm a man of wealth and taste

 

Wait, Matt Patricia (former DC) is now de facto OC for Belicheck?

Huh.

This is true.  I guess the rocket scientist swings both ways when it comes to playcalling.
https://www.nbcsports.com/boston/patriots/matt-patricia-emerges-patriots-offensive-play-caller-training-camp

[Guffalo]

Wow, even NESN is not singing the happy tunes about the offense

 

https://nesn.com/2022/08/why-david-andrews-behavior-after-patriots-practice-so-telling/?sf169060537=1

 

[Punching Bag]

18 hours ago, Bill from NYC said:

OK. You must really know quite a bit about the kid.

 

18 hours ago, TBBills said:

Sorry didn't know you were his father.

 

I am just going by what he shows the public when things aren't going well for him.

 

He is godfather to all Alabama players.

[CorkScrewHill]

Little Mac had a tough outing against the Panthers .. first two drives were three and out with bad ball placement per this article. He did hit on a 45 yard pass  4 of 8 for 61 yards

 

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2022/08/19/patriots-first-string-offense-gets-off-to-sluggish-start-vs-panthers/

Edited August 20, 2022 by CorkScrewHill

[stuvian]

I think he meant traumatic

[Big Turk]

I don't think he understands the concept of high floor, low ceiling like Alex Smith.

 

Especially when people get to see the difference between him and Josh Allen twice a year. And let's be honest, it's a stark difference in physical talent. Jones is Clark Kent to Allen's Superman and there is no phone booth on the sidelines or locker room for Jones to go in to transform.

 

Couple this with the disaster that will be Patricia and Judge acting as defacto OCs this year and lack of skill position talent still and I find it hard to see how Jones has a better year than he did last year under McDaniels who while potentially being a total douchebag and poor HC, is a pretty damn good OC.

 

He is what he is. A good game manager that doesn't have the physical ability to force teams to respect him the way they do Allen or Mahomes or Herbert.

 

Not saying he can't have a long career and be very successful during the regular season, he can. Chiefs had the best record in the NFL over the near decade that Smith was their QB in the regular season. But we all saw how his lack of physical ability was exposed during the playoffs. Reid didn't win the Super Bowl until Mahomes was his QB.

 

Sure he might have some limited success early on in the playoffs but unless he has an unbelievable team surrounding him like the 2000 Ravens or Broncos had with Peyton Manning, they won't be winning the SB because of him.

 

https://www.nbcsports.com/boston/patriots/ex-nfl-gm-chooses-patriots-qb-mac-jones-sneaky-2022-mvp-pick

Edited August 20, 2022 by Big Turk

[FLFan]

If there was ever clearer evidence as to why he is no longer an NFL GM, I don’t know what would be.  What a yutz. 

[Cheektowaga Chad]

Isn't every starting QB a "sneaky" MVP pick? Tannenbaum is a bum

[aristocrat]

Some people will do anything and say anything for clicks 

[NewEra]

No reason to compare him to Allen.  He doesn’t think jones will win the mvp, rather is a “dark horse” candidate.
 

The pats are seen as a 💩 team this year by most (other than Tannenbaum).  If things go right for the Pats and they have success and make the playoffs he thinks Jones will be their driving force and the reason for their success.  We may have dominated him last year, but he was still a good QB.  
 

Rodgers won the MVP and didn’t win a playoff game.  Jones doesn’t have to win the SB to be a dark horse candidate.  
 

It’s a hot take in a media world dominated by hot takes 
 

Edited August 20, 2022 by NewEra

[CorkScrewHill]

17 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

Especially when people get to see the difference between him and Josh Allen twice a year. And let's be honest, it's a stark difference in physical talent. Jones is Clark Kent to Allen's Superman and there is no phone booth on the sidelines or locker room for Jones to go in to transform.

Belichick calling Superman’s phone booth only to find out he is already playing for the Bills

 

 

Edited August 20, 2022 by CorkScrewHill

[Solomon Grundy]

Tannenbaum should learn how to field a punt first

[HOUSE]

Is this the Patriots Mac Jones?

There are probably hundreds of Mac Jones running around the country...

Let me check Facebook, there used to be one in Idaho 

[Niagara Dude]

31 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

I don't think he understands the concept of high floor, low ceiling like Alex Smith.

 

Especially when people get to see the difference between him and Josh Allen twice a year. And let's be honest, it's a stark difference in physical talent. Jones is Clark Kent to Allen's Superman and there is no phone booth on the sidelines or locker room for Jones to go in to transform.

 

Couple this with the disaster that will be Patricia and Judge acting as defacto OCs this year and lack of skill position talent still and I find it hard to see how Jones has a better year than he did last year under McDaniels who while potentially being a total douchebag and poor HC, is a pretty damn good OC.

 

He is what he is. A good game manager that doesn't have the physical ability to force teams to respect him the way they do Allen or Mahomes or Herbert.

 

Not saying he can't have a long career and be very successful during the regular season, he can. Chiefs had the best record in the NFL over the near decade that Smith was their QB in the regular season. But we all saw how his lack of physical ability was exposed during the playoffs. Reid didn't win the Super Bowl until Mahomes was his QB.

 

Sure he might have some limited success early on in the playoffs but unless he has an unbelievable team surrounding him like the 2000 Ravens or Broncos had with Peyton Manning, they won't be winning the SB because of him.

 

https://www.nbcsports.com/boston/patriots/ex-nfl-gm-chooses-patriots-qb-mac-jones-sneaky-2022-mvp-pick

Who cares? why do some Bills fans get triggered by anything that is said about the Patriots. This means nothing until he actually has a MVP season on the field,  no different then Allen having a MVP season on the field

 

32 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

I don't think he understands the concept of high floor, low ceiling like Alex Smith.

 

Especially when people get to see the difference between him and Josh Allen twice a year. And let's be honest, it's a stark difference in physical talent. Jones is Clark Kent to Allen's Superman and there is no phone booth on the sidelines or locker room for Jones to go in to transform.

 

Couple this with the disaster that will be Patricia and Judge acting as defacto OCs this year and lack of skill position talent still and I find it hard to see how Jones has a better year than he did last year under McDaniels who while potentially being a total douchebag and poor HC, is a pretty damn good OC.

 

He is what he is. A good game manager that doesn't have the physical ability to force teams to respect him the way they do Allen or Mahomes or Herbert.

 

Not saying he can't have a long career and be very successful during the regular season, he can. Chiefs had the best record in the NFL over the near decade that Smith was their QB in the regular season. But we all saw how his lack of physical ability was exposed during the playoffs. Reid didn't win the Super Bowl until Mahomes was his QB.

 

Sure he might have some limited success early on in the playoffs but unless he has an unbelievable team surrounding him like the 2000 Ravens or Broncos had with Peyton Manning, they won't be winning the SB because of him.

 

https://www.nbcsports.com/boston/patriots/ex-nfl-gm-chooses-patriots-qb-mac-jones-sneaky-2022-mvp-pick

 

[Taro Nimbus]

Anyone can be a MVP candidate, they just have to perform at that level.

[ddaryl]

I'm starting to think that many sports channels/publications purposely have a few of their pundits spread these positive vibes around the league to attract more hits from both...

 

1.) Fans of sed team/player

2.) Click bait for fans of other teams/player haters who can't resist.

 

I truly belive its being directed from above for capitalistic reasons, because it works. 

 

 

And it's ok... because fans of team/player who are receiving these positive opinions deserve to have some pundits believe, because who knows...it could happen one of these days!

 

Edited August 20, 2022 by ddaryl

[hemma]

I think networks predesignate ‘a stupid guy’ and having watched him a few times of late, I think he’s one of ESPN’s lead designees.

[Pabstblueribbon]

The afc is so stacked with qb talent it doesn't make sense to go fishing for a "dark horse" all the way down in the basement when you have guys like Carr and Wilson who actually have the talent and supporting cast to be the most valuable player on a winning football team

[D. L. Hot-Flamethrower]

Jones seems to have some kind of halo effect with some in media, especially old timers. It seems like they view him as the perfect old school cerebral accurate QB. Personally I find it laughable. Kind of like longing for the days of the Model T with these guys like Charlie Weis and Mike Tanenbaum.

[Mr. WEO]

36 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

 

He is what he is. A good game manager that doesn't have the physical ability to force teams to respect him the way they do Allen or Mahomes or Herbert.

 

 

With Jones, a rookie (from Bama, no less), NE foguth for the Division title to the end of the season and won 10 games, made the playoffs. 

 

With Herbert, 2 3rd place finishes, one winning season (9 wins in a 17 game season), zero playoff games.

[TBBills]

Mike Tannenbaum has brain damage so it isn't surprising to see him say stupid things.

 

The season can not start fast enough.

5 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

With Jones, a rookie (from Bama, no less), NE foguth for the Division title to the end of the season and won 10 games, made the playoffs. 

 

With Herbert, 2 3rd place finishes, one winning season (9 wins in a 17 game season), zero playoff games.

Imagine if people just looked at win total and not how the QB actually plays, it would look like this.

Edited August 20, 2022 by TBBills

[No_Matter_What]

Some posters here are rather insecure. 

[Mr. WEO]

2 minutes ago, TBBills said:

Mike Tannenbaum has brain damage so it isn't surprising to see him say stupid things.

 

The season can not start fast enough.

Imagine if people just looked at win total and not how the QB actually plays, it would look like this.

 

that's not the point.  Jones added value to NE, when few thought he would.  The Herbert pick hasn't produced the desired result for LA yet--they have yet to win 10 games. 

[atlbillsfan1975]

I think this year we see the total collapse of NE. NE has done Jones no favors with coaches or surrounding personnel on O. I mean if that team goes 8-8 and Jones has 4,000 yards and 30 TD’s, maybe he should be considered an MVP. 

[Big Turk]

34 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

With Jones, a rookie (from Bama, no less), NE foguth for the Division title to the end of the season and won 10 games, made the playoffs. 

 

With Herbert, 2 3rd place finishes, one winning season (9 wins in a 17 game season), zero playoff games.

 

Come on man. Be better. We are talking physical ability. Jones was hidden on the Patriots during key moments and in key games as much as possible. Use some damn context.

Edited August 20, 2022 by Big Turk

[Jay_Fixit]

Fiction can be fun!

 

 

[chris heff]

I think that because of the Patriots dominance of the NFL for a couple of decades there are people that who are delusional. They believe that New England is an elite organization. I suppose Mac Jones could be a dark horse for MVP, not really going out on a limb there. My problem is I don’t buy the cult status given that organization. I think most of their success was because of Brady. Bill Belichick is a good coach, but he is the quintessential micro manager. The Patriots and Mac Jones will be mired in mediocrity. Belichick is that organization, there is no succession plan. Does anyone think the Patriots ownership can duplicate what they had with Brady and Belichick?

[Inigo Montoya]

Mac Jones will be a serviceable NFL QB and will start for the Pats as long as Belichick is coaching there.  As soon as he retires and a new regime comes in they will move on from Jones and he will become a professional clip board holder bouncing around the league for a few years padding his bank account.  Some say his ceiling is Drew Brees.   I don't agree with that, but even if for the sake of argument you agree with that, what kind of career does Brees have without Sean Payton creating that offense around him?   Brees had Payton to help elevate his game, Jones doesn't even have a real OC this year.  The contrast couldn't be greater.

 

 

Edited August 20, 2022 by Inigo Montoya

[Mr. WEO]

33 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

Come on man. Be better. We are talking physical ability. Jones was hidden on the Patriots during key moments and in key games as much as possible. Use some damn context.

They used him appropriately and effectively.  See the Bills game.  I’m saying he outperformed expectations.
 

Herbert doesn’t belong in a top 5 discussion yet.  Maybe this year.. 

[HOUSE]

DeShawn Watson could be Sports Illustrated man of the year too

[Orlando Tim]

Hey Kurt Warner was an MVP, maybe he will pull a Kurt Warner.

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

Even listing him as a dark horse candidate seems like a bad take. As the OP said, if Mac is a dark horse candidate then essentially every marginal QB penciled to start the season is a dark horse candidate. 

 

To me a few  true dark horse candidates are Tua, Lance and Jameis Winston. And to a lesser extent or even darker dark horse candidates I would throw in Fields and Lawrence. I'm not sure either of those two have teams around them that are talented enough though to truly win their division. And winning ones division really is one of the first requirements of any MVP candidate. 

 

Buffalo should easily win their division this year which is why I think a team like New England with marginal talent at QB and really the rest of their roster will not have an MVP candidate. Tua is a dark horse candidate though simply because of the addition of Hill to go along with a second year Waddle. Plus they have a new head coach and offensive game plan so who knows they could catch lighting in a bottle while playing a third place schedule as opposed to the Bills first place schedule.