Would NE do Mac Jones + picks for Watson?

[ProcessTruster]

Pretty clear BB brought a knive to a gunfight Saturday night.  Wonder if Pats get in the D Watson sweepstakes?   They won't be competitive with Bills for 10 years with ole' noodle arm at QB.   Won't have top 5 pick anytime soom. 

 

Looks like Mr Kraft and Desean are cut from the same cloth so no problem there.  Pats have brought in numerous questionable characters over the years.   Could be a risk for the Bills.   Waddya think? 

[947]

Mills is probably a better prospect than Mac Jones at this point, I doubt Houston would even go for that. Some other team will give them the same picks the Pats would offer plus a player that's a clear upgrade somewhere for them.

[Rico]

Damaged goods, not afraid of that degenerate, we have Josh.

[Augie]

3 minutes ago, 947 said:

Mills is probably a better prospect than Mac Jones at this point, I doubt Houston would even go for that. Some other team will give them the same picks the Pats would offer plus a player that's a clear upgrade somewhere for them.

 

The Eagles have 3 picks in the first round between 15 and 19. The Cheaters* don’t pick until 21. They need the ammo, and I don’t see NE pulling it off. 

[BearNorth]

I don't think after the Cam fiasco, that BB wants anything to do with a Watson type player regardless of talent.  Jimmy G was originally a BB guy and suspect he will be on the market soon, but can BB cure his tendency to throw stupid picks at the worst possible times.

 

[boater]

Mac plus picks for Watson... I love it. The Patriots draft cupboard will be empty for years, hobbling them.

[Albany,n.y.]

The Patriots aren't moving on from Mac Jones.  He hit a rookie wall.  He's never going to be a superstar but it's hard to upgrade from a guy whose best days may be in front of him.  It takes years & a lot of luck to get a franchise QB.  

Nobody is trading for Watson until he is cleared legally & they know he will be available.  The only possibility is a trade of future picks, none of them in the 2022 draft, which would be contingent on Watson being clear of his legal problems.  

[RobbRiddick]

Colin Cowherd was pushing this idea earlier

24 minutes ago, Rico said:

Damaged goods, not afraid of that degenerate, we have Josh.

 

Now that he has to massage himself his hands will be to slippery with oil to grip the ball

[Bangarang]

Keep in mind Watson has a no trade clause so he has to waive it in order for a trade to be completed. 

[dwight in philly]

22 minutes ago, BearNorth said:

I don't think after the Cam fiasco, that BB wants anything to do with a Watson type player regardless of talent.  Jimmy G was originally a BB guy and suspect he will be on the market soon, but can BB cure his tendency to throw stupid picks at the worst possible times.

 

I can see Jimmy G returning to the Pats.. more than probable 

[mjpbills]

Kraft, Watson, Former message parlor meetings?

[Klaus]

Just now, Albany,n.y. said:

The Patriots aren't moving on from Mac Jones.  He hit a rookie wall.  He's never going to be a superstar but it's hard to upgrade from a guy whose best days may be in front of him.  It takes years & a lot of luck to get a franchise QB.  

Nobody is trading for Watson until he is cleared legally & they know he will be available.  The only possibility is a trade of future picks, none of them in the 2022 draft, which would be contingent on Watson being clear of his legal problems.  

 

I think Mac's best days are essentially the same as we saw this year. His arm isn't going to get stronger, he isn't going to get faster, so what is the upside. This isn't to say that they don't stick with him, because I think they do, but saying the best years are ahead is a bit of reach, I think he is essentially as good as he will get. 

[Doc]

No chance.  The Texans would rather go with Davis Mills than Jones and thus the Cheaters don't have the draft capital, and Watson doesn't like the Cheaters' organization.

 

And the Cheaters are going to roll with Jones for at least another 1+ seasons.  Belicheat wants to show that he can turn the highest pick he's ever spent on a QB into another Brady.

[Albany,n.y.]

5 minutes ago, Klaus said:

 

I think Mac's best days are essentially the same as we saw this year. His arm isn't going to get stronger, he isn't going to get faster, so what is the upside. This isn't to say that they don't stick with him, because I think they do, but saying the best years are ahead is a bit of reach, I think he is essentially as good as he will get. 

He won't hit the rookie wall in future years.  

[Malazan]

I'd say he's basically unmovable at this point and Belichick is not touching that with Stevie's hands. He wants to win next year and Mac Jones being on the field does more for that than trading away picks to not have Watson on the field.  

[msw2112]

I'm no Mac Jones fan and certainly not a Patriots fan.  That said, Jones is a decent QB.  He's a rookie and played pretty well for large stretches of the year.  He seems like a smart player with limited, but sufficient athletic ability.  The interception made by Hyde can't be underestimated.  It was a well-thrown ball and if Hyde had not made an all-time incredible play, the game might have been 7-7 and become competitive.  Instead, the Bills got the ball back, marched right down the field, extended their lead to 14 and put the Pats into playing from behind for the rest of the game, which limited what they were able to do.  Jones will never be Josh Allen or Tom Brady, but he still has a chance to be a good NFL QB.  (Even if that's the case, I still expect the Bills to dominate the Pats for years to come.)  

 

Jones performed a lot better than Trevor Lawrence, Zach Wilson, Trey Lance, and Justin Fields for most of the season.  How would you expect any rookie QB to play in Buffalo, with a full staduim, in the playoffs, in the cold, against the #1 defense in the league, when your team is behind the entire game and thus can't rely fully on its running game?

 

Consider that Jones isn't that bad, but his opponent last weekend was that good.  The Bills defense improved to the point of being #1 in the league and the Bills offense put the Pats into playing from behind.  For what it's worth, Davis Mills, Trevor Lawrence, and Zach Wilson also played against this defense, and depite having their moments against other teams, did not succeed against this defense.  Mills and Wilson had historic bad games.  Lawrence won, but his team only scored 3 FGs and the Bills offense just crapped the bed that day.

Edited January 17, 2022 by msw2112

[DCofNC]

1 hour ago, Klaus said:

 

I think Mac's best days are essentially the same as we saw this year. His arm isn't going to get stronger, he isn't going to get faster, so what is the upside. This isn't to say that they don't stick with him, because I think they do, but saying the best years are ahead is a bit of reach, I think he is essentially as good as he will get. 

Well in fairness, Allen was never going to get more accurate, was never going to see the whole field and would never be more than an athlete trying to play QB.  That thought pattern failed. 
 

Jones may not pan out, but it’s too early to know. 

[Aussie Joe]

Now explain why Houston would do it

[djp14150]

1 hour ago, ProcessTruster said:

 

 

Looks like Mr Kraft and Desean are cut from the same cloth so no problem there.  Pats have brought in numerous questionable characters over the years.   Could be a risk for the Bills.   Waddya think? 

im sure they are part of the same “ member” contact list.

[Jay_Fixit]

1 hour ago, BearNorth said:

I don't think after the Cam fiasco, that BB wants anything to do with a Watson type player regardless of talent.  Jimmy G was originally a BB guy and suspect he will be on the market soon, but can BB cure his tendency to throw stupid picks at the worst possible times.

 

What do Watson and Cam Newton have to do with each other? 

[Passepartout]

Mac is a young rookie with plenty of football. And so far he has great character. But also Watson character issues could have had a thing to do with it.

[NewEra]

They should.  Mac is JAG

 

I know they are only 2.5M under the cap for next year, but unsure how much they can unload with cuts.  Renegotiating watsons contract would most likely have to occur

[DJB]

Mac Jones is Andy Dalton without the red hair

[billybrew1]

2 hours ago, 947 said:

Mills is probably a better prospect than Mac Jones at this point, I doubt Houston would even go for that. Some other team will give them the same picks the Pats would offer plus a player that's a clear upgrade somewhere for them.

 

2 hours ago, ProcessTruster said:

Pretty clear BB brought a knive to a gunfight Saturday night.  Wonder if Pats get in the D Watson sweepstakes?   They won't be competitive with Bills for 10 years with ole' noodle arm at QB.   Won't have top 5 pick anytime soom. 

 

Looks like Mr Kraft and Desean are cut from the same cloth so no problem there.  Pats have brought in numerous questionable characters over the years.   Could be a risk for the Bills.   Waddya think? 

There was a LOT more going on in that game than Allen > Jones.

Desean would would help of course but they need a ton of work (too much in one offseason) to catch the Bills.

Though, on the other hand, we have no idea right now how much talent we are about to lose; possibly: McKenzie, Bates, Wallace, Neal, Beasley.....??? I feel I'm missing someone..... The Bills could lose a lot of talent....

Luckily though, we have nine picks in the upcoming draft....

 

If Houston is smart, they will hold out for a king's ransom for Desean...... I hope they get it....

Even though at his best, he is no Josh Allen. Josh Allen is #1 now. If not right now, after the Super Bowl.....

[CSBill]

If they could, they would do that in a heart beat. Bill B knows he cannot compete with his current QB situation.

 

I would hate to see it, but Watson would make a lot sense in NE.

[Punching Bag]

1 hour ago, mjpbills said:

Kraft, Watson, Former message parlor meetings?

 

There is a difference between Kraft getting a "rub and tug" and Watson introducing his little brother to women unexpectedly.

 

[Success]

Cowherd actually made a good case for it earlier (EDIT:  for trading Jones, not necessarily for Watson).  

 

Mac is solid but just won't be in the league w/ the other top QB's in the AFC.  New England could find themselves contending w/ him, but generally falling short & settling for early round playoff exits.  With Belichick approaching 70, he may want to trade Jones while his value is high and then go all in to try to win now (not necessarily Watson - someone like Russell Wilson would be an option also).

 

Edited January 18, 2022 by Success

[Doc]

1 minute ago, Success said:

Cowherd actually made a good case for it earlier.  

 

Mac is solid but just won't be in the league w/ the other top QB's in the AFC.  New England could find themselves contending w/ him, but generally falling short & settling for early round playoff exits.  With Belichick approaching 70, he may want to trade Jones while his value is high and then go all in to try to win now (not necessarily Watson - someone like Russell Wilson would be an option also).

 

So Cowherd suggested trading him to the Texans...who are in the AFC?

[Success]

2 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

So Cowherd suggested trading him to the Texans...who are in the AFC?

 

He was just talking about the idea of trading him now, while his perceived value is really high.  He didn't get into specifics in the segment I heard.

 

My mistake on that - I just noticed that the thread was specifically about a trade for Watson.  Cowherd was just making the case for a trade, without naming anyone.

 

 

Edited January 18, 2022 by Success

[Kaenon]

2 hours ago, ProcessTruster said:

Pretty clear BB brought a knive to a gunfight Saturday night.  Wonder if Pats get in the D Watson sweepstakes?   They won't be competitive with Bills for 10 years with ole' noodle arm at QB.   Won't have top 5 pick anytime soom. 

 

Looks like Mr Kraft and Desean are cut from the same cloth so no problem there.  Pats have brought in numerous questionable characters over the years.   Could be a risk for the Bills.   Waddya think? 

Mac n cheese noodles Jones?

[Warcodered]

I mean if you thought New England was unlikeable before.🤮

[NoSaint]

2 hours ago, BearNorth said:

I don't think after the Cam fiasco, that BB wants anything to do with a Watson type player regardless of talent.  Jimmy G was originally a BB guy and suspect he will be on the market soon, but can BB cure his tendency to throw stupid picks at the worst possible times.

 

cam and Watson don’t have too much in common currently 

[John from Riverside]

Honestly I don’t care what other teams do I care about what we do and this team is very close to being complete

 

Give me to monster guards for speed back to complement motor in a little bit more pass rush and this team is darn near unbeatable

[ganesh]

2 hours ago, dwight in philly said:

I can see Jimmy G returning to the Pats.. more than probable 

I could also see Pats going after Wilson.

[without a drought]

The Texans want Mac Jones?

 

 

Edited January 18, 2022 by without a drought

[JohnNord]

3 hours ago, ProcessTruster said:

Pretty clear BB brought a knive to a gunfight Saturday night.  Wonder if Pats get in the D Watson sweepstakes?   They won't be competitive with Bills for 10 years with ole' noodle arm at QB.   Won't have top 5 pick anytime soom. 

 

Looks like Mr Kraft and Desean are cut from the same cloth so no problem there.  Pats have brought in numerous questionable characters over the years.   Could be a risk for the Bills.   Waddya think? 

It sounds like Watson really wants to play with Flores.  I think that if NYG hires Flores, there’s an excellent chance he ends up there.  I would prefer that too…we don’t need another good QB in the AFC.

As far as NE, I don’t think they have the draft capital at this point or the cap space.  If you’re Watson and you have a trade clause, are you going to want to play for 70 year old Bill Belichick?  Probably not.  
 

With that said, I would not be shocked to see NE consider all options to upgrade at QB.  But in the end I think they are going to take the same approach as Miami and try to get better weapons 
 

 

[cDAVIS]

I think Mac Jones looked like a decent rookie. The future is likely somewhat bright for him if he sticks with NE

[dwight in philly]

11 hours ago, ganesh said:

I could also see Pats going after Wilson.

Agree there too.. 

[stuvian]

14 hours ago, Rico said:

Damaged goods, not afraid of that degenerate, we have Josh.

Watson and Kraft could buddy up on massages though

[Meatloaf63]

14 hours ago, Albany,n.y. said:

The Patriots aren't moving on from Mac Jones.  He hit a rookie wall.  He's never going to be a superstar but it's hard to upgrade from a guy whose best days may be in front of him.  It takes years & a lot of luck to get a franchise QB.  

Nobody is trading for Watson until he is cleared legally & they know he will be available.  The only possibility is a trade of future picks, none of them in the 2022 draft, which would be contingent on Watson being clear of his legal problems.  

He didn’t hit a rookie wall, he was consistent the whole season. After getting his legs early on, what you saw from him is what he is. The team had a run of easy games and good luck meeting up against teams with injuries. When the schedule toughened up , they couldn’t handle it . Their D is old and slow and people figured that out.