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Are the Bills classless for scoring a TD against the fins with 1:14 to go? Try too take your homer hat off and explain.


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Are the Bills guilty of running up the score?  

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  1. 1. The Miami homers are saying the Bills were classless for scoring a TD with 1:14 left on the clock and then going for 2 (score at the time was 20 - 11 - the fish also had no timeouts) - try to look at this objectively - did the Bills do the right thing? To make this interesting - multiple choice is allowed and your vote is public.

    • The Bills had the right strategy for the right reasons (explain in your comments)
      161
    • The Bills should have taken a knee and let the clock run
      14
    • The Bills should have done something else (explain in your comments)
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    • The Bills should not have attempted the 2-point conversion - not needed at that point
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24 minutes ago, teef said:

nah.  that's not it.  i think it's far more telling that you feel allen flexing after a score is a sign of an, "inferiority complex" while others see it as a sign of fiery competitiveness...something you want out of your quarterback.  it's just you.

Flexing in a blowout.

just seems…beneath the player and franchise.  But that’s what feeling inferior does. 
 

never liked chest puffers in none chest puffing situations.

 

 

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i just think the offense was struggling first half and lost a close game before the bye. its a rep in a area they been having issues with, redzone. their D was playing you tight and it was a better strategy to have your guys punch it to give THEM more confidence then to worry about the other teams feelings. 

 

 

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You play to win this game and if possible, influence opponent's mindset for the next one. If you can step on the throat of a division opponent, you step on that throat.

 

Also, the Dolphins need to get over themselves. The game involves 2 teams, it is played to determine a victory, but also to train for future games as this is the only chance you get to practice something with live bullets flying. Our offense was not clicking for most of the game, we needed to run plays and give the Oline time to work together. If the Dolphins don't like it, they should stop the play, like they did with the 2 pt conversion.

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I’m good with the TD.  Bills needed the rep.   It has been a problem.   Stranger things have happened with that much time left as well. 
 

I would have skipped the 2 point try.   No value.  If it was practice it did not seem like the best environmental conditions.  Bills and Dolphins not in the same mindset if the game was on the line. 

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21 minutes ago, RalphWilson'sNewWar said:

Flexing in a blowout.

just seems…beneath the player and franchise.  But that’s what feeling inferior does. 
 

never liked chest puffers in none chest puffing situations.

 

 

yeah.  i'm sure a guy who just plowed through other huge men to score a td in an nfl game feels super inferior.  you came off as petty.  just own it.

 

out of curiosity, do you feel all td celebrations are a sign of inferiority, or just when josh allen does it?  after all, flexing is a typical td celebration of his.

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The TD was fine.  As a bunch of other people have noted, the Bills couldn't run the clock out without getting a first down.  They ran the ball, and Miami's defense couldn't stop them.  That's on Miami, not us.

 

I'm indifferent about the 2 point attempt.  At least that gave Miami a chance to keep a couple of points off the board -- not sure why that should be considered running it up but taking the PAT isn't.

 

Maybe the Dolphins should worry more about their terrible scouting and preposterous wastes of draft picks instead.

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23 minutes ago, RalphWilson'sNewWar said:

Flexing in a blowout.

just seems…beneath the player and franchise.  But that’s what feeling inferior does. 
 

never liked chest puffers in none chest puffing situations.

 

 

to interject mr ralph I would say this game was only at the end a blowout...until then the team was in a battle with no offense in sight. To see them succeed and come back was danged high energy stuff.,to me Josh Allen wants to be warrior QB he's fiery and we a lot of the fanbase eat it up like lobster and steak..its about freakin time we have waited for this scenario to come about and it HAS....a little chest puffing? Oh yes and evn more if they keep winning.

 

Im sorry, carry on....GO BILLS!~!~!~!!!

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5 hours ago, Greg S said:

No problem with any of it. It was 20-11 at the time. The game was realistically over with a minute left and no timeouts for the Fins. Getting the TD just confirmed it. Besides stranger things have happened. Remember the Bills - Cowboys game on MNF years ago. It looked like the Bills were going to win and the Cowboys scored a couple of times in the final minutes to pull out the win. Painful memory on that one.

That one hurt because I had indeed gotten by popcorn ready as previously instructed

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No team is taking a knee there and handing the ball back to the other team when the clock doesn't run out.  No Player is going to just slide and not score with a wide open end zone in front of him.

 

As for the two point conversion...  I see a case either way.  I don't find it classless and even if it was IDGAF.  Classless is Cox giving fans the finger. Classless is Cox spitting at Bills fans after being ejected from the game.  Thats classless.  Going for a two point conversion is practice for a team that struggles in the red zone.  

 

Practice for a situation they may need down the road.  How many games did the Bills have to recover an onside kick last year.  How many games have the Bills failed in the final seconds (one just last week.). Go up 3 scores instead of 2.  Classless my ass.

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24 minutes ago, Muppy said:

to interject mr ralph I would say this game was only at the end a blowout...until then the team was in a battle with no offense in sight. To see them succeed and come back was danged high energy stuff.,to me Josh Allen wants to be warrior QB he's fiery and we a lot of the fanbase eat it up like lobster and steak..its about freakin time we have waited for this scenario to come about and it HAS....a little chest puffing? Oh yes and evn more if they keep winning.

 

Im sorry, carry on....GO BILLS!~!~!~!!!


yeah I get that.

years of being the doormat and now the Prime Team in the league has a lot of fans releasing decades of pent up emotions.

 

and JA17 is the perfect conduit because he feeds and plays to the fan base in just that way.

 

actually…they all do…which someone in the PR Department needs to be commended for that establishing and maintaining that agenda.

 

Personally Muppy…I just respond better to players and coaches who are authentic both on and off the field.  Be consistent.

 

you wNt to flex in a blow out or run up the score fine…but the contradiction of being the “humble” team just is a little too much BS for my meter.

 

Appreciate the friendly response.  😊 

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You simply do not give up possession of the ball with time on the clock with a two-score lead.  

 

Look at Hyde at the end of the first half.  He knew the situation, so he kept the ball alive to see if there was a way to score.  If the Bills had scored on that play it would have been amazing.   Point is, scores happen is surprising and unusual ways.

 

Now, if there had been a practical way for Allen to get the first down and then give himself up, he should have done that.  Then, they could have taken knees and ended the game.  But it was too close; you certainly don't want to give yourself up and then have the ref rule that you were short of the line to gain.  So, Josh didn't have much choice.  

 

Going for two was a bit much, but the logic was right.  Getting the two point conversion makes it a three-score game and it's over.  Plus, I think McDermott's competitive emotions may have gotten the best of him - Dolphins went for two, so I think he wanted a little payback. 

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41 minutes ago, teef said:

yeah.  i'm sure a guy who just plowed through other huge men to score a td in an nfl game feels super inferior.  you came off as petty.  just own it.

 

out of curiosity, do you feel all td celebrations are a sign of inferiority, or just when josh allen does it?  after all, flexing is a typical td celebration of his.

Oh no I’m pretty fair.

 

I eye roll and grab the vomit bag when a defender sacks a QB and does his celebration despite his team being down by 25 in the 4th or any other player.

 

 

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Statement made, you played us tough, now go F yourself.   We need that killer attitude and I’m glad they showed they had some.  The 2 pt conversion was one I would not have taken, just because of injury risk, but end of the day, you play to win and stupid ***** happens in every game, so don’t leave the score to chance.

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7 minutes ago, RalphWilson'sNewWar said:

Oh no I’m pretty fair.

 

I eye roll and grab the vomit bag when a defender sacks a QB and does his celebration despite his team being down by 25 in the 4th or any other player.

 

 

you strike me as jealous of josh allen.  

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6 hours ago, BuffaloBill said:

I know this is being discussed in the thread about the Miami board. I’ve given you a poll here with the opportunity to explain your election. The Bills in my opinion absolutely played this correctly including the two point conversion. If they convert the 2 then the game is a three score ordeal.

 

While the probability of the fins scoring twice in 1:14 with 0 timeouts is low it is possible. The Miami argument is the Bills could have run time off the clock and left the Fins deep on the field with no time outs. All well and good, but then the fins are only two crazy and lucky plays away from winning. They break one for a long TD and kick the EP. the score is then 20 -18. If they get an insides kick - they probably only need one play to get into FG range. Kick the FG and the Bills lose.

 

 

Bills could not run out the clock as they could not get a first down so must score a TD or kick FG(to make it 12 pt game so TD and FG can no longer beat you). Scoring TD running puts game completely out of reach and is less risky than kicking a FG with possibility of fluke block/td return.

 

Only error was game situational awareness. No reason to go for two even though the 2pt official book calls for it. Game was over no need to risk Allen on a pass play. He was tackled and legs tied up that's why he got mad. Stupid risk.

 

Oh and the spread was 15 lol. A win for Bills bettors turned into a push.

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5 hours ago, oldmanfan said:

Getting the TD was the right call.  That put us up 26-11 so 15 points.  Then going for 2 was smart because if by some miracle the Fish had scored two TDs (let's say a kickoff runback, then recover an onside with a Hail Mary) , the 2 point conversion would not have allowed them to tie.  

 

100% correct.  This should end the thread.

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During the 1970's the Fish dominated winning 20 straight. No one called Shula classless. Maybe Levy needed a little more bully and less historian in his diet. I don't think McD and Flores care for each other. Wasn't a fan of the 2pt attempt because it was completely unneccessary. But I'm not going to lose sleep over yesterday. Beat teams up like Belichick did constantly and don't apologize for it.

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I can't be worried about a bunch of players who don't understand simple math.

 

Going for two makes it a three-score game and absolutely ices it.

 

Anyone who thinks "well, that would never happen" doesn't remember the McKelvin game or the Dallas game.

 

You have an opportunity to finish a game, you finish it.

3 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

During the 1970's the Fish dominated winning 20 straight. No one called Shula classless. Maybe Levy needed a little more bully and less historian in his diet. I don't think McD and Flores care for each other. Wasn't a fan of the 2pt attempt because it was completely unneccessary. But I'm not going to lose sleep over yesterday. Beat teams up like Belichick did constantly and don't apologize for it.

 

Levy wasn't the coach in the '70s.

 

If you're up three scores and are going for a fourth, that's classless.  This was not.

 

Teams have scored twice in a minute before.

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6 hours ago, Rochesterfan said:

It is easy to me - the drive before at 20-11 were the Dolphins just downing the ball or were they trying to score.  They were trying to score - leading to the pick.  
 

If the Bills don’t score and kick a FG to go up 20-11 - do the Dolphins kneel or do they go out and try to score?  As long as they are still trying to score to get back into the game - you have to try and score to put it away.

 

Once they got the TD to go up 26-11 - the logical play is go for 2 - there is no real difference between 15 and 16 points - both are 2 scores.  The only difference is a 2 pt play moves it to 17 points and makes it 3 scores.  It is logical to go for 2 there once you score.

 

If the Dolphins didn’t want that potentially to happen - they could of just kneeled the series before and let the game play out.

 

Now if it had played out like the NE/NYJ game the week before - that was running up the score - the Bills were still in football range.

 

 


Exactly this.

If the Dolphins have shown that they're going to keep trying to score -- which they did -- then you do what you need to do to ensure that they can't tie the game. 

Specifically, if the Bills had run down the clock and kicked a field goal, it would have been a two score game. However unlikely it may have been, the Phins could have won it with a touchdown, recovered onsides kick, and another touchdown.

Instead, by doing what the Bills did (scoring a TD and going for two), the goal was to make it a three score game. The two point attempt wasn't just some "rubbing salt in the wound" thing. It was a strategic move aimed at making it so that the Phins couldn't score or win the game with two possessions, but would instead need three possessions to do so.

I trust that if the Phins had shown signs of throwing in the towel, the Bills would have done the same. Instead, the Phins -- understandably -- continued to try to win the game. At that point, the most strategically logical decision for the Bills was to try to put the game out of reach in order to snuff out a comeback, however unlikely said comeback may have been.

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There is no such thing as running up the score in Pro sports. Or even college sports for that matter. You dont like it, stop them. It would be more disrespectful to take a knee when we cant even run out the clock. And it isnt like we passed it in, Josh ran it in himself.

 

WRT the 2 point conversion, the math says do it to go up three scores, but even if it didnt I refer back to Woody Hayes...

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When asked why he went for the two-point conversion instead of a field goal when Ohio State led Michigan 50-14 in the final minutes of the fourth quarter, Hayes reportedly said, “Because I couldn't go for 3”.

 

***** the Dolphins.

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1 hour ago, cba fan said:

Bills could not run out the clock as they could not get a first down so must score a TD or kick FG(to make it 12 pt game so TD and FG can no longer beat you). Scoring TD running puts game completely out of reach and is less risky than kicking a FG with possibility of fluke block/td return.

 

Only error was game situational awareness. No reason to go for two even though the 2pt official book calls for it. Game was over no need to risk Allen on a pass play. He was tackled and legs tied up that's why he got mad. Stupid risk.

 

Oh and the spread was 15 lol. A win for Bills bettors turned into a push.

The situational awareness was 100% spot on. Puts you up 3 scores, not 2. That was the right call to make there 

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We lost every game to them in one decade, so it’s like saying they should have at least given us one win ti be courteous!  Josh basically trotted in and 2-3 guys were right there who coukd have stopped him but lacked the heart to do it. Quitting is classless! 😀🍸

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2 hours ago, motorj said:

I'd say if you generally don't like other teams running up the score then you shouldn't like the bills doing something similar. Me personally never cared when teams ran it up vs the bills or other teams and have a play till the very end mentality

it begs the question though: just WHO is taking the most offense..the Players or the FANS. I think the players understand the game better than joeblo NFL fan ....The ease with which #17 accomplishes what he does its got to rankle the players yes........... but IMO players are more objective  than fans who react emotionally and cry and whine...PLUS they know he is Young and this is just the beginning...bwaahaahaaaa....... Look I get it. I am emotional as heck about my football team too.........It may be possible for some fans to be more objective and realistic as others...but bottom line winning is everything I think we all get that

 

GO BILLS

 

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5 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

I don't mind the TD. I hated the 2 point play call. What were they thinking there? Anything but an Allen run in that situation. Miami was pissed off. 

F Miami and they’re entire fan base !!!

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