I would have gone for it too!

[Solomon Grundy]

3 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

The call to go for it I love and was correct.  But this was Daboll fault to be honest on how he tried to be cute and tricky.
 

He needs to stop being cute on the 4th and 1, it’s the ONLY time it doesn’t work for us.  Allen has like a 98% success rate over 3 years on the sneak.  If you’re gonna sneak it, then lineup and sneak it.  But because Dabol had Allen in shotgun and walk up, he never really got his feet and set to push.  
 

If we lineup and just snap that ball with Allen under center from the get go, I guarantee we convert.

Hard count would have killed them. Had Josh walked up there and hard count them, they either jump or slow them 

[What a Tuel]

1 minute ago, Niagara Dude said:

It looked like a first down ,  total BS because they could have called PI on the guy covering Sanders in the back of the end zone

 

I saw that too. I guess no pass interference if you ass check the receiver?

 

Not to mention the holding on the Derrick Henry run. But Henry's gotta get that long run in for the highlight reel.

[May Day 10]

No problem with it here

[Irv]

He was short. It was pretty obvious.  But what a great game.  We focus on winning division and destroying after that.  

[Bob in STL]

12 minutes ago, Irv said:

We have the AFCE wrapped up. Why not?  Give the Titans a lot of credit.  They battled. We'll see them again. Great game to watch despite the outcome.  Not worried about them unless they get lucky again.    

STOP!!!   We DO NOT have anything locked up. Games are won the field. Want home field advantage for all playoffs.  Today we lost a possible tie breaker.  We have 11 more games to play.  

[Governor]

9 minutes ago, Billznut said:

He definitely did. Yet I keep seeing people blaming Josh for “slipping”. Josh was knocked off balance because Dawkins got owned on that play. 

Dawkins is our most overrated player. 

[bobobonators]

2 minutes ago, Malazan said:

Going for it was the absolute right call. A QB sneak was moronic. After games where the sneak was there against other teams and they didn't do it. 

 

You have an improvisational player who is big, fast and strong and you call the ONE F***ING play that removes that. 

 

You design roll him out right and let him decide if he wants to throw or run it. He can either run over a db, outrun a lineman or throw it if a LB leaves coverage. 

 

If everything goes wrong, he may still pull a play out of his ***. 

 

Instead, a QB sneak against a team that it obviously wasn't there against. A play that removes all ability to put something together if it breaks down. A play that can be ended by a single player on your team or theirs. 

 

I swear Daboll calls **** sometimes just to 'prove' he can..

I dont really have a problem w the call but I agree with you too. I feel Allen gets that 99% of time. Play got blown up bc Dawkins lost his matchup badly

[Chris88]

I said go for the field goal. Guess who was correct imbecile 

[Scott7975]

Im glad he went for it.  Thats what I like to see in a coach and if we are in that situation again, I hope he goes for it again.

[FireChans]

5 minutes ago, Malazan said:

Going for it was the absolute right call. A QB sneak was moronic. After games where the sneak was there against other teams and they didn't do it. 

 

You have an improvisational player who is big, fast and strong and you call the ONE F***ING play that removes that. 

 

You design roll him out right and let him decide if he wants to throw or run it. He can either run over a db, outrun a lineman or throw it if a LB leaves coverage. 

 

If everything goes wrong, he may still pull a play out of his ***. 

 

Instead, a QB sneak against a team that it obviously wasn't there against. A play that removes all ability to put something together if it breaks down. A play that can be ended by a single player on your team or theirs. 

 

I swear Daboll calls **** sometimes just to 'prove' he can..

Yeah yeah sure and if the bills call a roll out designed pass and we get stopped, you go “why wouldn’t you sneak it with this huge man who always gets a yard!””

 

catch 22 

[Protocal69]

7 minutes ago, Azucho98 said:

The way the D played yea I don't blame them for going for it.  They didn't stop them since the interception in the first quarter.  They were so afraid of the run it totally opened up the pass game.  We were outcoached again in Tennessee.  How did the Jets beat these guys?

No Julio or Brown and Jets have a stout dline and tennesee still moved the ball well. It happens

[TampaBillsJunkie]

19 minutes ago, DeltaDigital said:

100%. if you want to be a big dog, you have to play like a big dog. your 6'5' 250 qb should get 7 inches of grass every single effing time. Poor execution, and the o line are BUMS. 

 

Agreed, but Josh slipped. He didn't have good footing and got no push when he tried to cut. I can't put that all on the OL. Just one of those ***** football plays that doesn't go your way in a tight game.

[PromoTheRobot]

Credit to the Titans who came to play. We lost. They beat us.

[Rew]

Liked going for it, didn't like the call.  The way our line was getting pushed around today makes it a much less likely pickup than usual.  As someone else said, roll Josh to the right and let him decide to toss it or run through a db for the first.

[Malazan]

9 minutes ago, bobobonators said:

I dont really have a problem w the call but I agree with you too. I feel Allen gets that 99% of time. Play got blown up bc Dawkins lost his matchup badly

 

That's exactly the point. You called a play that can be killed by one guy screwing up with no hope of other options or improvisation. 

 

If you're going for it on 4th and 1 in the 1st quarter then sure. That's the play call. 

 

The last play of the game, no, you have to give yourself options. 

[streetkings01]

4 minutes ago, Bob in STL said:

STOP!!!   We DO NOT have anything locked up. Games are won the field. Want home field advantage for all playoffs.  Today we lost a possible tie breaker.  We have 11 more games to play.  

AFC East is ours to lose…..Dolphins & Jets are 1-5, Patriots 2-4 with 5 of there next 7 games against us, Browns, Chargers, Titans and Panthers. Patriots go 5-8 at best in that span. Our next 7 are against the Dolphins, Jags, Jets, Colts, Saints, Patriots and Bucs.  Our worst case scenario is we go 4-3 in that span and end up 8-5 with a 3.5 game lead over the Pats with 4 games left.

[JoshAllin]

Except they called the most obvious play in the book instead of the doing something like the 2pt play earlier.

When you have the AFCE wrapped up you don't go for a qb sneak

[Bob in STL]

4 minutes ago, streetkings01 said:

AFC East is ours to lose…..Dolphins & Jets are 1-5, Patriots 2-4 with 5 of there next 7 games against us, Browns, Chargers, Titans and Panthers. Patriots go 5-8 at best in that span. Our next 7 are against the Dolphins, Jags, Jets, Colts, Saints, Patriots and Bucs.  Our worst case scenario is we go 4-3 in that span and end up 8-5 with a 3.5 game lead over the Pats with 4 games left.

AFCE is not *****.  Need to win overall conference. 

[buffblue]

4 minutes ago, Bob in STL said:

AFCE is not *****.  Need to win overall conference. 

Agreed, or at minimum snag the 2 seed to have at least 2 home games like last year. Right now unfortunately we are 4th out of the 4 division leaders.

8 minutes ago, motorj said:

Except they called the most obvious play in the book instead of the doing something like the 2pt play earlier.

When you have the AFCE wrapped up you don't go for a qb sneak

I know we have some decent success at times with the qb sneak, but does it not seem like we struggle overall with the play? 

 

We make the sneak look awfully difficult sometimes, especially with a 6 foot 5 240 pound qb. Why can't we execute like the Pats did with Brady all those years...

[Bakin]

35 minutes ago, Virgil said:

Nope.  Not even 1 out of 10 times.  Stupid call.  Take the tie and bank on either getting the ball first or your defense. 
 

I hated it the moment they stayed on the field.  They called the play everyone knew was coming and got beat where the Titans kicked their ass all game.  
 

This loss is on McD as much as it is on the defense. 

Awful take.
Just

awful. 

[BruceVilanch]

Love the call, and I think sneak is usually the right call in that situation, but I was hoping for a RPO to give josh multiple options, oh well, 15-2 isn't going to be bad. Go Bills.

[nedboy7]

I don’t think we lose that game in Buffalo. 

[John from Riverside]

How many times have we successfully seen Josh execute that sneak and 10 trays I bet you he does it nine times

[Roundybout]

Just now, John from Riverside said:

How many times have we successfully seen Josh execute that sneak and 10 trays I bet you he does it nine times

 

We have the stats actually - he made 13 of the last 14 and the one failure was on a botched snap. So...almost a 100% rate!

[jkeerie]

They didn't play their best offensively and defensively.  The ball didn't bounce their way and the Titans were the luckier team.  They lost by 3 on the road in a high scoring game.  The Bills aren't making any excuses.  They know they didn't execute and will have two weeks to think about it.  Like last year, I expect them to come back stronger, especially the defense.  They gave up the hail mary last year before the bye and 34 points this year before the bye.  So the Bills will finish strong and hopefully the Titans fate will mirror that of AZ and their trajectory will head downward.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 hour ago, Irv said:

We have the AFCE wrapped up. Why not?  Give the Titans a lot of credit.  They battled. We'll see them again. Great game to watch despite the outcome.  Not worried about them unless they get lucky again.    

 

We don't have anything wrapped up.

 

But in terms of analytics it was the correct call

 

 

[Matt_In_NH]

1 hour ago, Nextmanup said:

Win Probability going for it on 4th down:  63%

 

Win probability kicking the FG and playing for OT:   42%

 

As I said above, I'm thrilled McDermott and his staff has grown to the point where they did this tonight.

They have gotten a lot better over time.

 

 

 All 4 th downs or fourth and a half yard?

[Buffarukus]

this is a situation where everyone who says they would have done x y z would also say they would have just qb sneaked if x y z didn't work. it has worked at a extremely high percentage countless times and was just a good play by them and bad luck josh seemed to slip.

 

thats all.

 

they played to win and sometimes that gamble doesn't pay off. with the way they kept marching down the field it was a good call to try and end it right there.

Edited October 19, 2021 by Buffarukus

[Agent 91]

2 hours ago, Nextmanup said:

Win Probability going for it on 4th down:  63%

 

Win probability kicking the FG and playing for OT:   42%

 

As I said above, I'm thrilled McDermott and his staff has grown to the point where they did this tonight.

They have gotten a lot better over time.

 

 

Where did you get those stats? Not doubting... but really where can I get those stats

[Agent 91]

2 hours ago, Beast said:

I thought he was clearly short. Half a yard anyway.

Yep. Head got the first hand with the ball never crossed the line

2 hours ago, FireChans said:

I don’t think Allen walking up was the reason Dawkins got pushed back a yard 

No but could contribute to him not getting his feet set and also could have contributed to the defense getting set. When he walked to the line they knew what it was going to be. He afforded them to adjust. Dawkins may have gotten blown up but a quick snap and an Allen reach over the top usually will get you that first down

[Ethan in Cleveland]

Going for it was fine.  Even the sneak call was fine.  You would hope for something a little more creative since the entire world knew Josh was sneaking it when he went under center.  

How about running that Chiefs play they threw to Kelce at the goal lien against the Bills?

 

No worried. The next tough game is not until December

46 minutes ago, Agent 91 said:

Yep. Head got the first hand with the ball never crossed the line

No but could contribute to him not getting his feet set and also could have contributed to the defense getting set. When he walked to the line they knew what it was going to be. He afforded them to adjust. Dawkins may have gotten blown up but a quick snap and an Allen reach over the top usually will get you that first down

Can't reach unless it is over the goalline.  

[stevestojan]

I think we all already “shnow” who lost us that game. 

[Agent 91]

6 hours ago, Ethan in Portland said:

Going for it was fine.  Even the sneak call was fine.  You would hope for something a little more creative since the entire world knew Josh was sneaking it when he went under center.  

How about running that Chiefs play they threw to Kelce at the goal lien against the Bills?

 

No worried. The next tough game is not until December

Can't reach unless it is over the goalline.  

Is that the rule? I thought you could but I stand corrected

[bmur66]

Nope. The way that game was going I would have kicked the field goal. 

[Greg S]

I would have kicked the FG and gone to OT.

[YoloinOhio]

It was the correct decision. On to the next. 

 

[DabillsDaBillsDaBills]

9 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

We don't have anything wrapped up.

 

But in terms of analytics it was the correct call

 

 

 

Love the advanced stats. 

 

If you want to look at "gut feeling" our OFF was playing great and the DEF was trash. I'd much rather trust my offense and Josh to score a TD in that situation than have the game come down to the OT coin flip. 

 

I think it was absolutely the right decision to go for it. I'm not sold on the play call, but tough to blame Daboll when his LT gets blown TF up and QB slips. 

[WhoTom]

I'm good with the decision to go for it and I'm even okay with the play call. Remember in the Steelers game when they tried to get cute on a 4th and short? The right call then would have been a QB sneak, which Josh makes way more often than not, and that was, statistically, the right call last night.

 

As for kicking the FG and playing for OT, it comes down to a coin toss. Our D, which was gashed all night, was tired, so I could see them giving up a TD on the first drive if TN wins the toss. On the other hand, if the Bills win the toss, given our lack of red zone success last night, they may have only gotten a FG. Raw analytics say go for it, and the overall team performance last night reinforced that.

 

 

[NewEra]

10 hours ago, Azucho98 said:

The way the D played yea I don't blame them for going for it.  They didn't stop them since the interception in the first quarter.  They were so afraid of the run it totally opened up the pass game.  We were outcoached again in Tennessee.  How did the Jets beat these guys?

They didn’t have aj brown or Julio

[Billsatlastin2018]

10 hours ago, Big Turk said:

I mean if you run that same play 100 times how many times does Allen not get a first down? Maybe that was the only time out of the 100?

The Career average for the GOAT on 3/4th. & 1 is 96%!

 

Of course, you never do it stupidly like the Bills did!

You NEVER call a TO, allowing the D to get ready and set!

 

Billicheat learned that about the year 2000.

McD obviously has a way to go!

1 hour ago, Greg S said:

I would have kicked the FG and gone to OT.

1995, Old School!