bobobonators Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 Just now, MJS said: I guess the theory is that Stafford has been held back by his crappy organization and that Goff has been propped up by the rest of the team and McVay. But I'm guessing the truth is somewhere in the middle for both players. I don't see this changing the Rams significantly. I get that argument however Stafford has had (almost always) pretty decent WR, to include one of the greatest ever in Calvin Johnson. Looking at the numbers for Stafford hes thrown for 30 or more TD just two times in his career and hasnt done so since 2015. And Detroit passes a lot. 2 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said: I will be watching him closely this year in Detroit to see how many games he wins there... Stafford better go to the Super Bowl.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 3 minutes ago, bobobonators said: Stafford better go to the Super Bowl.. On the other hand ... Detroit might have the no 1 pick in 2022... wouldn’t surprise me... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 5 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said: I will be watching him closely this year in Detroit to see how many games he wins there... Well, it’s not just wins...The last 4 seasons, Goff has thrown for more yards, more TDs and more yards per attempt than Stafford. It’s not at all clear to me why Stafford is considered a better QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 Just now, mannc said: Well, it’s not just wins...The last 4 seasons, Goff has thrown for more yards, more TDs and more yards per attempt than Stafford. It’s not at all clear to me why Stafford is considered a better QB. Personally I think Stafford is better but I will be watching both teams closely .... my prediction is that the Rams improve and the Lions get worse with their new QB’s .. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 1 minute ago, Aussie Joe said: Personally I think Stafford is better but I will be watching both teams closely .... my prediction is that the Rams improve and the Lions get worse with their new QB’s .. Well, there’s no question which QB the Rams prefer, so what do I know? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 I don't recall another trade with a first rounder two years off. Using a discounted value for the future picks, it's closer to a 3rd, and two second round picks this year. That's still a lot but they also rid themselves of Goff's contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsShredder83 Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 3 hours ago, Warcodered said: When was the last time the Rams used a 1st round pick? Snead uses draft picks the way I'd spend money If terminally ill lol i kinda like it... fun to watch when it's not your worry 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 It’s an odd deal, but ok. Detroit gets a lot from someone they want move on and Goff is a hold over. As far as Stafford, we’ll see. He was on a bad team forever. 32 is not old for a QB the way these rules are for protecting QB’s. He might kill it on a good team, or he may flop. Its very difficult to predict his success on another team. Should be interesting. At least we’re done with the NFCW for another three years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyC81 Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 3 hours ago, Rc2catch said: Yikes.. I like the move for LA but that’s a lot to give up Sure is, but they had a lot of competition for Stafford. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 All the people mentioning age... QBs are playing until they’re right up against age 40 these days. If the Rams get 5-7 good years out of Stafford, the age thing really isn’t an issue. It IS, shall we say...less than ideal...that the Rams will go from 2016 through 2024 without drafting in the 1st round. It’s not as if their roster is lacking talent, though. It will be crucial for them to hit on middle and late round picks now, that’s for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 29 minutes ago, Ethan in Portland said: I don't recall another trade with a first rounder two years off. Using a discounted value for the future picks, it's closer to a 3rd, and two second round picks this year. I've never understood this math. I guarantee when those drafts roll around those first round picks will not feel like second round picks. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobbRiddick Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 Well at least Goff knows his knee caps are safe now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganesh Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 4 hours ago, Captain_Quint said: 2 firsts and a 3rd. Seems like too much. Agreed. For a 32 year old QB whose best years are behind him and it has always been someone else's fault. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 4 hours ago, Andy1 said: Goffs contract is a killer for the new team. Buy a Ford...PLEASE! 😕 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 I think your view of this trade comes down to your opinion of Stafford and Goff. I think Stafford's a huge upgrade to Goff and it will show next year. Stafford's had to navigate through a bunch of crappy situations in Detroit while Goff was able to benefit off of McVay after a terrible rookie year. I think McVay was tired of having to scheme around Goff's weaknesses. Goff was turnover prone, indecisive, and doesn't have the ability to stretch the ball vertically like Stafford does. Stafford should easily have his best season next year and makes them viable Super Bowl contenders for at least the next few seasons. What happens after that depends on their ability to find talent in the middle rounds. Two first round picks are a lot (there were apparently a lot of bitters) but the Lions had to eat Goff's horrible contract for that draft capital. Also, keep in mind those picks will pry be in the 20's or 30's because the Rams will pry be a Super Bowl contender through 2023 with this move. I see it as a win/win trade that the Lions and Dan Campbell will eventually screw up. As far as the Rams, the only way this move works out is if they win the Super Bowl within the next few years. McVay doesn't have a losing season yet in four years so I wouldn't bet against him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 2 hours ago, Ethan in Portland said: I don't recall another trade with a first rounder two years off. Using a discounted value for the future picks, it's closer to a 3rd, and two second round picks this year. That's still a lot but they also rid themselves of Goff's contract. So the Rams don’t give up their first this year? I had not seen that reported anywhere. Just assumed it was ‘21 and ‘22. That does make a difference, although the Rams still massively overpaid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 Goff reminds me of Flacco with a lesser arm. Detroit is about to be really bad again. People forget how bad Detroit was before Stafford. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 Stafford is viewed as one of the best overall players on the market due to his extraordinary talent as a pocket passer. The former No. 1 overall pick has dazzled evaluators with his ridiculous arm talent since entering the league as a polished playmaker out of Georgia. He has the capacity to make pinpoint throws from a variety of arm angles and throwing platforms. Stafford's improvisational skills as a fastball pitcher give him an opportunity to win against tight coverage or an aggressive pass rush. As a gutsy competitor with a knack for playing his best football in the clutch, Stafford has 38 game-winning drives and 31 fourth-quarter comebacks on his résumé. Although his losing record suggests otherwise, he displays all of the qualities that coaches covet in winning quarterbacks. https://www.nfl.com/news/houston-texans-cannot-trade-deshaun-watson-three-fits-for-matthew-stafford 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSBill Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 Interesting, but I kind of feel bad for Goff. For a California guy, that's like being sent to football Siberia--literally and figuratively. 47 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Goff reminds me of Flacco with a lesser arm. Detroit is about to be really bad again. People forget how bad Detroit was before Stafford. And while they had him. Not much is really going to change in Detroit--for them it's "We sucked with you, we can suck just as well without you." At least they got the draft capital. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 1 hour ago, mannc said: So the Rams don’t give up their first this year? I had not seen that reported anywhere. Just assumed it was ‘21 and ‘22. That does make a difference, although the Rams still massively overpaid. They don't have a 1st rounder this year as they traded the pick for Jaylen Ramsey. I think it's seven years in a row the Rams don't have a first round pick since they took Goff. They've been decent at hitting on their mid round picks though. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
london_bills Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 7 hours ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said: Lions made out well there I want the lions to do well. Don't think goff is who they need but it gives them time to access Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProcessTruster Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 8 hours ago, JaCrispy said: Lions won that deal...Two 1st rounders PLUS a QB? 🤣🤣🤣 Will be interesting to see Stafford on the really good team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 (edited) The Lions made out like bandits. Stafford is about as overrated as they come. Edited January 31, 2021 by Beast Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 Stafford is a good QB. Glad he didn’t wind up in Indy. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 (edited) Stafford went for Goff, two firsts and a third and in a situation where he and Detroit had agreed he could go. The price for Deshaun Watson just went up. From the Rams perspective..... the pressure is on Sean McVay for the first time now. He has pinned two years of offensive inconsistency on Jared Goff. But the tape shows a different story. Goff has some blame to take, make no mistake, but the league has caught up to McVay and his playcalling at times has been beyond predictable. I am like Tony Romo watching them play.... I can call out their play with about 60% accuracy when they get to the line. If I can do that imagine what top professional players and coaches make of it. The excuses are gone for McVay now. If he can't revive the offense with Stafford his seat will warm up. Edited January 31, 2021 by GunnerBill 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rochesterfan Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 8 hours ago, aceman_16 said: Now with their picks and the Rams picks - do the Lions have enough ammo to go after Watson? I am sure Watson would block that trade, but it gives Houston an NFC team that could trade potentially #7 this year and several future #1 picks and throw in Goff if they want the QB to get a franchise QB. I can’t see it, but if provides Ammo they did not have before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OZBILLS Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 Lions quick to rebuild. Good work Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMF2006 Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 Pad Statford to a winning team.....lets see if he can get it done now. Huge price for the Rams...it looks like the Leos new GM hit a homerun on his first swing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 (edited) The Rams are trying to ensure they never have another 1st round pick ever. I don't ever recall a team being this cavalier with their 1st round picks...maybe the Seahawks during their Super Bowl run but I don't even think they traded this many first round picks away. At least he didn't go to the Pats. 32 minutes ago, JMF2006 said: Pad Statford to a winning team.....lets see if he can get it done now. Huge price for the Rams...it looks like the Leos new GM hit a homerun on his first swing How? The Lions got a much more limited QB on a longer deal making a lot more money, and had to eat a bunch of dead money from Stafford's contract on top of that. Are those #1 picks going to help Goff become a top half of the NFL QB? I doubt it. Edited January 31, 2021 by Big Turk 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMF2006 Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 5 minutes ago, Big Turk said: The Rams are trying to ensure they never have another 1st round pick ever. I don't ever recall a team being this cavalier with their 1st round picks...maybe the Seahawks during their Super Bowl run but I don't even think they traded this many first round picks away. At least he didn't go to the Pats. How? The Lions got a much more limited QB on a longer deal making a lot more money, and had to eat a bunch of dead money from Stafford's contract on top of that. Are those #1 picks going to help Goff become a top half of the NFL QB? I doubt it. I think the Lions are in full rebuild mode. The cap hit is just a necessary business expense. They obviously felt they had one valuable asset(see Hershel Walker Dallas to Minny) and decided to cash their chips in. My way of looking at it is that they could not win with Stafford so lets get the most we can now. Bold move by the new GM. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rochesterfan Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 8 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Back in Da Day when Tyrod Taylor roamed the Bills backfield and Jared Goff was a bemused rookie seeking his way in the wasteland of the 2016 Rams offense, I did a Thing where I looked at success rates drafting QB. First thing I realized was that I had to decide what success looked like for a QB - some easy statistics that would correlate with a QB who could help the team along with a decent defense. I came up with 5 metrics where it seemed like a QB who hit all 5 could do pretty well. Goff hit them all in 2017 & 2018. Hit 4 of 5 last 2 seasons. It's boggling my delicate young mind that a team is trading a 26 yr old QB who played in the SB 3 years ago and who has not totally sucked since then AND 2 first round picks for a 32 yr old QB with a plethora of injuries. I totally agree and further more - I think Stafford is a terrible fit for that offense. He is not a dink/dunk style passer or a roll out guy. He is a deep drop and pocket thrower and that means big changes to how they move forward. I think Stafford has the better arm, but he has not shown himself to be the better QB or to elevate those around him - even when surrounded by some of the top WRs in the game. Big risk for LA and potentially resets their window to an even smaller window before they fall apart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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78thealltimegreat Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 10 hours ago, aceman_16 said: Now imagine what the Bills would get for Josh Allen you probably get 3 number ones from a team like the Saints or Bears at least...You of course don’t even think of trading the best Bills QB in 25 years but the package the Bills could get is mind boggling now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 Clearly the Rams have some numbers that lead them to believe teams overvalue first round picks. Goff is average. McVay has been average without the MVP version of Gurley. I don’t see Stafford changing that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 10 hours ago, Virgil said: If Goff wasn’t included, I would say that’s fair. With Goff included, it seems a bit much Goff is not bad at all. He’s just not great. He’s immediately the second best qb in the division in my opinion. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rochesterfan Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 6 hours ago, Logic said: All the people mentioning age... QBs are playing until they’re right up against age 40 these days. If the Rams get 5-7 good years out of Stafford, the age thing really isn’t an issue. It IS, shall we say...less than ideal...that the Rams will go from 2016 through 2024 without drafting in the 1st round. It’s not as if their roster is lacking talent, though. It will be crucial for them to hit on middle and late round picks now, that’s for sure. Yes, but you are talking about a QB that has had back injuries and has underperformed for years and does not really fit the McVay style of offense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 1 hour ago, GunnerBill said: Stafford went for Goff, two firsts and a third and in a situation where he and Detroit had agreed he could go. The price for Deshaun Watson just went up. From the Rams perspective..... the pressure is on Sean McVay for the first time now. He has pinned two years of offensive inconsistency on Jared Goff. But the tape shows a different story. Goff has some blame to take, make no mistake, but the league has caught up to McVay and his playcalling at times has been beyond predictable. I am like Tony Romo watching them play.... I can call out their play with about 60% accuracy when they get to the line. If I can do that imagine what top professional players and coaches make of it. The excuses are gone for McVay now. If he can't revive the offense with Stafford his seat will warm up. Great post. Goff is not a bad qb at all — just not perfect. However, McVay’s semi-shameless lobbying for genius status and his tendency to lay the blame at Goff’s feet is what drives the narrative. It’s not what I’d call an accurate one. 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RalphWilson'sNewWar Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 Power move by McVay. Enough was enough. Not going to waste the offensive weapons and defensive production. with Stafford...Rams would be playing Chiefs in 1 week. That’s about the level of how dominant the Rams defense was. Now with Stafford...they are vaulting to one of the favorites for the Ring in 2021. Dominant move by McVay. Don’t mess up that guys schematics! Or your gone. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rochesterfan Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 4 hours ago, mannc said: So the Rams don’t give up their first this year? I had not seen that reported anywhere. Just assumed it was ‘21 and ‘22. That does make a difference, although the Rams still massively overpaid. Their first this year is already in Jacksonville for the DB trade last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirAndrew Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 26 minutes ago, Big Turk said: The Rams are trying to ensure they never have another 1st round pick ever. I don't ever recall a team being this cavalier with their 1st round picks...maybe the Seahawks during their Super Bowl run but I don't even think they traded this many first round picks away. At least he didn't go to the Pats. How? The Lions got a much more limited QB on a longer deal making a lot more money, and had to eat a bunch of dead money from Stafford's contract on top of that. Are those #1 picks going to help Goff become a top half of the NFL QB? I doubt it. I preface this by saying I’m not a big Stafford fan. I’m not convinced that he’s top level elite, or capable of winning titles. I do believe that Stafford is capable of bringing a well coached team with a decent roster to the playoffs. That’s exactly why the Rams traded for him. The Lions game plan is a little more confusing to me. Most people view Goff as a stop gap QB in Detroit who will struggle without McVay in his ear. This means the Lions don’t have a QB. Those two first rounders aren’t to be at the top of the first round, and they still need to find a QB. Stafford might have never taken the Lions far, but I’d prefer to build around him for the last few years of his career, and hope for the best. Get what you can out of Stafford, then go for the tank when he retires to draft a QB. A couple of draft picks in the 20-30 range don’t do much for a team without a QB. The Lions still need to chase their QB of the future. I view Stafford as a serviceable second tier QB, who could have taken the Lions to the playoffs. I don’t think they have that with Goff. If the Rams don’t win a title, I think both teams are losers in this trade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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